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Post by luketrevelyan on Jan 30, 2019 19:41:27 GMT
Weird that Mike says he has no recollection as I remember that being a major source of complaint on the BSN forums for quite a while. I don't recall who said it was human only, but it was one of the first details we learned. I believe we didn't find out there would be any other races until after the delay, and then even later we found out about the Qunari. I couldn't find info that says Inquisitor was meant to be Human only. All i found is pure conjecture: dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:The_REAL_Inquisitor_is_a_Male_Human_Mage._Believe_it! There's a problem with the "!" in the URL, just put ! at the end. I found this article but it is sort of hard to find news from before its release. I recall it being a tweet from one of the developers (this article claims Mike Laidlaw said it). Anyway, I'm sure most people around at the time will also remember as it was a huge deal. Maybe fextralife would have threads about it. gamerant.com/dragon-age-3-concept-art/"Laidlaw explained that the hero character will once again be a human (as was the case with DA2‘s Hawke), presumably with gender left up to the player" Edit: Found this thread on fextralife which was started by Allan Schumacher, so it was definitely an official thing, not speculation. fextralife.com/forums/t182435/dragon-age-3-to-use-a-human-protagonist/
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 30, 2019 19:51:58 GMT
Following up on that, here's another snippet from a large Game Informer piece on DAI:
If the game was always intended to have multiple races, that doesn't match the press they were putting out there two years before release.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jan 30, 2019 20:01:26 GMT
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 30, 2019 20:08:08 GMT
Following up on that, here's another snippet from a large Game Informer piece on DAI:
If the game was always intended to have multiple races, that doesn't match the press they were putting out there two years before release.
Wait... who made the claims though? Anyway, I think there may be a difference between 'we want to have multiple races and work towards that whenever possible' to 'it's guaranteed that it will happen, especially at this time of development'. So Bioware devs may remember things differently than us because the reality of game development is way more complicated and taking many twists and turns than what scarce information trickling down on us can ever convey.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 31, 2019 0:28:59 GMT
Michael Sawyer @gaymerforever@karinweekes @patrickweekes Cori Nicole @genevraelI'm offended at not being tagged in this
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 31, 2019 1:08:06 GMT
The Strix @the_strix Can I just say how pent up and stymied I feel by the incredible lack of intimate sensuality there is in video games? Because of our weirdo hyper-violent/puritanical culture we get lots of murder and sexual violence narratives, but intimate sensuality is basically kryptonite!
Like, look. I am a sexual, sensual being. I love stories. I love intimacy. I swoon over sensual tension. It is ridiculous that we cannot tell stories about positive sexuality within the world's largest narrative medium.
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes It’s amazing how designer guys who don’t bat an eye at discussing the specifics of decapitation and dismemberment start coughing and trying to change the subject when it comes time to discuss getting pinned against the wall by your lover.
The Strix @the_strix As a games writer, I feel doubly stymied when I write authentic characters who engaged with that part of their psyche (because they are whole people, dammit!), and it invariably gets nuked from orbit. I blame the ESRB rating system. But also Americans are just weird about this!
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes On the bright side, I’ve gotten extremely good at implying things without ever directly saying them, so anyone who gets the joke has only themselves to blame.
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The Strix @the_strix And that's the the thing, intimacy does not have to directly equate to sexy times. Intimacy can stand on its own and has its own value.
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Yeah. Some of my most vulnerable real-life moments happen during quiet talks in bed — it’s not just sexy times. It’s hard to do that when we don’t have a budget for blanket/sheet physics or a mattress that moves realistically. (Our cine folks do amazing work with what we get.)
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Post by colfoley on Jan 31, 2019 1:14:55 GMT
Coming from the people who did Dragon Age Inquisition this argument seems...weird. There was plenty of both 'sexy times' and 'intmate fun times but no ookie ookie' a plenty. (Sexy times: Cass, Cullen, Dorian, Iron Bull, Sera) (Fun times: Josie)
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 31, 2019 1:17:50 GMT
Coming from the people who did Dragon Age Inquisition this argument seems...weird. There was plenty of both 'sexy times' and 'intmate fun times but no ookie ookie' a plenty. (Sexy times: Cass, Cullen, Dorian, Iron Bull, Sera) (Fun times: Josie) The argument isn't really about sexy times
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Post by colfoley on Jan 31, 2019 1:20:15 GMT
Coming from the people who did Dragon Age Inquisition this argument seems...weird. There was plenty of both 'sexy times' and 'intmate fun times but no ookie ookie' a plenty. (Sexy times: Cass, Cullen, Dorian, Iron Bull, Sera) (Fun times: Josie) The argument isn't really about sexy times Well no I suppose not but it was about intimacy in general whether it was sexy times or not. I pointed out that DA I (as well as Origins and 2 to a certain extent) had plenty of intimacy with a romantic partner with or without sex and its something I think can continue. I mean I also bring up DA I specifically because Patrick worked on it but the same is just as true of Andromeda.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 31, 2019 1:30:43 GMT
The argument isn't really about sexy times Well no I suppose not but it was about intimacy in general whether it was sexy times or not. I pointed out that DA I (as well as Origins and 2 to a certain extent) had plenty of intimacy with a romantic partner with or without sex and its something I think can continue. I mean I also bring up DA I specifically because Patrick worked on it but the same is just as true of Andromeda. Even with whole DA and ME franchises, games with content like that are a niche on the market. Plus, even within Bioware there may be designers that are kinda weird about content like that or they may have a limited budget for it, as described by Patrick Weekes.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jan 31, 2019 6:45:06 GMT
Multiplayer only? What? The article doesn't say that. I think Mike always wanted the big three, eventually all four, races and has just blocked the time where deadline-induced human only protagonist was a thing from his memory. lol I think when he says "I have no recollection" he really doesn't.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 31, 2019 7:51:04 GMT
The Strix @the_strixAs a games writer, I feel doubly stymied when I write authentic characters who engaged with that part of their psyche (because they are whole people, dammit!), and it invariably gets nuked from orbit. I blame the ESRB rating system. But also Americans are just weird about this! Endless death ... COOL. Sex and intimacy ... RUN AND FUCKING HIDE!
EDIT: Puritans!
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 31, 2019 7:54:18 GMT
#MakeThisTheLastDragonAgeGamePleaseStopYouAreOnlyGoingToGoDownhillAndDestroySomethingAwesome
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Post by colfoley on Jan 31, 2019 8:09:06 GMT
#MakeThisTheLastDragonAgeGamePleaseStopYouAreOnlyGoingToGoDownhillAndDestroySomethingAwesome Each Dragon Age game has been better then the last one...also works for the DLC more or less.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 31, 2019 8:12:14 GMT
#MakeThisTheLastDragonAgeGamePleaseStopYouAreOnlyGoingToGoDownhillAndDestroySomethingAwesome Each Dragon Age game has been better then the last one...also works for the DLC more or less. Dragon Age Inquisition is my Favorite Game of All Time. I have played RPG's since before they were available on computers ... I still hope this is the last Dragon Age game and they go out like champs. I don't have much optimism for Bioware anymore.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jan 31, 2019 9:26:00 GMT
Multiplayer only? What? The article doesn't say that. I think Mike always wanted the big three, eventually all four, races and has just blocked the time where deadline-induced human only protagonist was a thing from his memory. lol I think when he says "I have no recollection" he really doesn't. www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-11-03-biowares-inquisition
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Post by samhain444 on Jan 31, 2019 14:59:33 GMT
Each Dragon Age game has been better then the last one...also works for the DLC more or less. Dragon Age Inquisition is my Favorite Game of All Time. I have played RPG's since before they were available on computers ... I still hope this is the last Dragon Age game and they go out like champs. I don't have much optimism for Bioware anymore. So, DA:I is your favorite game of all time...and in another thread you said you loved "ME:A"...but you also said they should stop making both "Dragon Age" and "Mass Effect" games because you don't have "optimism for BioWare anymore". Both financially successful, with "DA:I" being the best launch in BioWare's history. I'm confused...what IP's should they focus on when they are not working on "Anthem"?
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 31, 2019 15:47:57 GMT
Gareth David-Lloyd @pancheers So, just completed @dragonage What a ride!! Though I don’t think 140 hours of research is enough so on to the dlcs!
John Epler @eplerjc I hear that Solas guy shows up a bunch in Trespasser.
Cori Nicole @genevrael BUT HE STILL WON'T LET ME LEAVE WITH HIM JOHN NO MATTER WHAT I SAY WHY CAN'T WE RUN OFF AND DESTROY THE WORLD TOGETHER wait I know the answer, I was there
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes We TALKED about this, Cori. At length.
Cori Nicole @genevrael *mutters, disconsolately*
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Or disconSolasly?
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 31, 2019 16:09:21 GMT
Cori Nicole @genevraelBUT HE STILL WON'T LET ME LEAVE WITH HIM JOHN NO MATTER WHAT I SAY WHY CAN'T WE RUN OFF AND DESTROY THE WORLD TOGETHER wait I know the answer, I was there Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesWe TALKED about this, Cori. At length. Now that’s a wall I’d like to be a fly on.
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Post by Ajna on Jan 31, 2019 17:39:58 GMT
There was always a plan with DA for I think 5 games? Correct me if I'm wrong. The story is not over yet and I personally would be incredibly pissed if it never got told in the form of games. I'm super invested in the world, and regardless of what happened with ME:A, and who has left the DA team, the fact remains that the franchise still has trustworthy and talented people involved who give a shit.
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Post by samhain444 on Jan 31, 2019 17:46:43 GMT
There was always a plan with DA for I think 5 games? Correct me if I'm wrong. The story is not over yet and I personally would be incredibly pissed if it never got told in the form of games. I'm super invested in the world, and regardless of what happened with ME:A, and who has left the DA team, the fact remains that the franchise still has trustworthy and talented people involved who give a shit. Well, there are supposedly two archdemons left to deal with before Thedas is free of a potential Blight so I can the next two games wrapping up the series.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 31, 2019 17:47:48 GMT
There was always a plan with DA for I think 5 games? Correct me if I'm wrong. The story is not over yet and I personally would be incredibly pissed if it never got told in the form of games. I'm super invested in the world, and regardless of what happened with ME:A, and who has left the DA team, the fact remains that the franchise still has trustworthy and talented people involved who give a shit. The realities of game development are what they are, so no game is 100% guaranteed to happen until they are released, but it'd be super-weird (and disappointing, to say the least) if they ditched the series OR ongoing storyline when the overarching story seems to be just getting started AND they keep enforcing the idea that they have all the intentions to continue it with their auxiliary materials and tease(r)s.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 31, 2019 17:49:34 GMT
There was always a plan with DA for I think 5 games? Correct me if I'm wrong. The story is not over yet and I personally would be incredibly pissed if it never got told in the form of games. I'm super invested in the world, and regardless of what happened with ME:A, and who has left the DA team, the fact remains that the franchise still has trustworthy and talented people involved who give a shit. For the last few years, they've said their plan is to be continually "thinking 2 games ahead". There's no plan to end the series (that they've told us).
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