Schmooples' Den! The DA News Discussion Thread

The one we can currently set up as the default in Dragon Age Keep has 'stop Solas at all costs' (also, 'Bull betrays Inquisitor' and 'Inquisition as peacekeeping force'). From what I know the default world-state is sort of the minimalistic one - it avoids most decisions that would stem from players pursuing additional content, like befriending companions, finishing zone quests and so on, thus minimizing things new players would be confused by/don't care about.

I don't know what world state I want, but I know what I don't want. The epilogue end cards from Trespasser kind of ruined some of my favorite world states. I don't think any one of the world states from my 7 IQs is exactly what I want to start DA4 with, so I might have to make one up.

I think that would be a reasonable assumption since you have to have sufficient approval to be even offered the quest and presumably if he did so and you refused to help, then that would drop your approval down drastically. However, it might not be low enough to trigger the response at the end where Solas only gives the briefest of explanations and killing him is the only option.

So it is hard to know which way they will jump on the default state so far as his relationship with the Inquisitor is concerned since many people were friends with Solas and yet ultimately opted to stop him at all costs, whereas I believe there would have been far fewer people who ended up with mutual animosity, so a new player would not only be put at a disadvantage if they opted for that as the world state but it might actually require some sort of explanation as to why they both felt that way. After all, "I never liked or trusted him" comes across rather differently to "we were friends but then he betrayed me". Of course that is assuming that the new PC gets any input from the Inquisitor before they have formed their own opinion on the matter.

That wasn't the question - it was if he was not recruited.

Yes, I knew this and to be honest it made perfect sense to me as well seeing as you have to undertake the quest to undermine his loyalty to the Qun. I was more interested how they handled you not recruiting him at all in Trespasser. However, essentially it would pan out the same as if you had saved the Chargers or not done his personal quest, since in each case there is not an alliance with the Qun. So clearly your choices in the main game would factor in when it came to determining how the Qun might react to you.

From what you say about the default for Trespasser, it would seem that the default for the whole game would be recruit Bull, do his personal quest and sacrifice the Chargers, so the default World State would have the Qun still in alliance with the Divine and her peacekeeping force.

I can see, if the Inquisitor is present in the next game in some playable capacity, the relationship status with Solas and the final redeem/kill choice impacting their outlook and maybe available quests in the very start. Like, if you chose redeem, then during the timeskip your Inquisitor has been focusing the shadow Inquisition's resources on finding information about Solas as a person in legends. Whereas, if you chose kill, you might have had them focused on trying to find ways to kill a god. Two slightly different starting states that will ultimately even out as the game goes on and allow you to change with the situation as the game progresses.

And those two above factors will likely color Solas a bit during his first interaction with you, whether as a new pc or as TLCA. "The Inquisitor believes I can be turned from this path. Do you?"/"You told me once that you would prove me wrong. What say you now?" or something. And then you build a relationship from there.

That letter is also mentioning an alliance btwn the Inquisition and the Qun. You're saying that's from Bull not being recruited???

Seems like an oversight to me

You forgot that Iron Bull is Ben-Hassrath (Hissrad), he basically kept the act that all is good between the Inquisition and the Qun.

To you obviously lol.
Iron Bull doesn't hide the fact he is to give information on the Breach and the Inquisition to the Qun.
So if you don't recruit him he goes to Josephine and tells her what she wants to hear, sharing information for nonexistent alliance.
Maybe even feeding Josephine with false info.

Well, unless the assurance of the alliance was so tentative Josephine thought it'd be a stretch to assure Inquisitor and the rest that it's an actual alliance. Yet, since she's had contact with them she may have attempted to pull strings and remind Qunari that they made efforts to establish contact and some sort of positive relationship with the Inquisition.