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Post by colfoley on Aug 24, 2024 11:15:21 GMT
That being said I imagine how this is going to work is that somehow, Varric has become aware of Rook's existance and then probably has drafted a dossier on whatever Rook's activities were before the game. So Varric is probably aware of Rook's reputatation enough to give him said speech. Again do wonder how much BioWare will let us headcanon exactly what Rook has done to earn said reputation that Varric and the Inquisition became aware of it, and how much that they will reveal it throughout the game on its own, seem some things will be established but... I could quite happily accept that Varric had heard of Rook's reputation but he doesn't say that, he says: "I've seen your work." He's witnessed it first hand. So, there has to be some reason for this. Of course, they could just include that in your background description when choosing your faction. So, it would say something to the effect that you met Varric in X, a certain time period before, and helped him with Y. Otherwise, if there is no lead in to their meeting in the inn, other than being sent there by their faction at the request of Varric for assistance, then it is hard to understand what he based his eye witness testimony on, particularly if he says those words to Rook before they set out to find Neve. However, the game play trailer was only around 15-20 minutes long and apparently the prologue actually lasts around an hour, with it edited down to omit spoilers and for brevity, so quite a bit could occur in that missing time period that could warrant Varric's description and have him saying those words prior to reaching Arlathan. Seen his work...in a report...or in the run up to it happening in the beginning of the game if you are right, both could still qualify...I know its a bit of a stretch...but then the English language is bendy enough.
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Post by Little Bengel on Aug 24, 2024 11:20:36 GMT
That being said I imagine how this is going to work is that somehow, Varric has become aware of Rook's existance and then probably has drafted a dossier on whatever Rook's activities were before the game. So Varric is probably aware of Rook's reputatation enough to give him said speech. Again do wonder how much BioWare will let us headcanon exactly what Rook has done to earn said reputation that Varric and the Inquisition became aware of it, and how much that they will reveal it throughout the game on its own, seem some things will be established but... I could quite happily accept that Varric had heard of Rook's reputation but he doesn't say that, he says: "I've seen your work." He's witnessed it first hand. So, there has to be some reason for this. Of course, they could just include that in your background description when choosing your faction. So, it would say something to the effect that you met Varric in X, a certain time period before, and helped him with Y. Otherwise, if there is no lead in to their meeting in the inn, other than being sent there by their faction at the request of Varric for assistance, then it is hard to understand what he based his eye witness testimony on, particularly if he says those words to Rook before they set out to find Neve. However, the game play trailer was only around 15-20 minutes long and apparently the prologue actually lasts around an hour, with it edited down to omit spoilers and for brevity, so quite a bit could occur in that missing time period that could warrant Varric's description and have him saying those words prior to reaching Arlathan. With Game Informer in the dust, it's probably harder to find now, but I remember it being said on one of their articles that picking Rook's background would give us a brief account of their backstory, including how they and Varric became acquainted before the game's events.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 24, 2024 11:26:10 GMT
I try to find the breakdown the youtuber pointed him out. could take some time.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 24, 2024 11:31:35 GMT
I'm kinda hoping that destroying Bianca is just the same means as destroying our Inky's arm - it's just a way to justify them not being in the thick of it with us. Hopefully it could also mean that Varric could also perhaps move on from the actual Bianca? Like, I get she's his big love, but at the end of the day she's with her husband and I think Varric deserves some happiness after all the shit he's been through. Hidden Varric romance Bioware? Common, you know you want to!If he dies, I'm probably... like almost inclined to resent Bianca (Davri), as well. Screw that b*tch. Varric deserved better. It's part of my grieving process - denial, anger... then I can just move on... to killing Solas in a horrid fashion, y'know, once I'm out of the woods and can think rationally again. #Zen #Blessed 🙏 Hre's hpoin ghe doesn' tgive you the eyes.
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Post by Felya87 on Aug 24, 2024 11:36:35 GMT
I find the trailer-Varric lines more a pre-final boss prep talk. After all the game adventures, Varric have faith in Rook, and in our character moment of insecurities, good old Varric is here to make moral hight again, while repraising his words from the prologue. I don't think Varric will be much in game, but surely must do something important during the game, otherwise why is he still on the game cover? I will admit that this hadn't occured to me and is a rather elegant solution to the problem. Though in this case I do imagine he will drop off the map for awhile. I just have to wonder if he gets killed or if they do to him what they did to Holt in Ghost Recon Breakpoint. With Bianca broken, he'll probably not able to follow in battle for a while, and I can see him tryng to make a new Bianca as a way to have him away for a time to give Rook the time to became the de facto leader of the group, otherwise it would be easy to see Varric as the "real" leader, since he is the guy choosen by the Inquistor for the mission, the main recruiter and the guy who know/give his blessing on what to do. In Inquisition, while tecnically Cassandra and Leliana were the Inquisition leaders, our Inquistor was the one with the magic hand and the one that the people saw as a prominent figure, but Rook tecnically have no such quality/expectations to be put into the leading position, but taking the place of Varric for a time, building up the team and doing missions, she would be seen as the leader, and Varric can just get back as support without being in the position of "stealing the spotlight" later in the game, because the team is build and working, and he is not anymore the "go to" leader, but just a member/help to the group.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 24, 2024 11:50:51 GMT
That being said I imagine how this is going to work is that somehow, Varric has become aware of Rook's existance and then probably has drafted a dossier on whatever Rook's activities were before the game. So Varric is probably aware of Rook's reputatation enough to give him said speech. Again do wonder how much BioWare will let us headcanon exactly what Rook has done to earn said reputation that Varric and the Inquisition became aware of it, and how much that they will reveal it throughout the game on its own, seem some things will be established but... I could quite happily accept that Varric had heard of Rook's reputation but he doesn't say that, he says: "I've seen your work." He's witnessed it first hand. So, there has to be some reason for this. Of course, they could just include that in your background description when choosing your faction. So, it would say something to the effect that you met Varric in X, a certain time period before, and helped him with Y. Otherwise, if there is no lead in to their meeting in the inn, other than being sent there by their faction at the request of Varric for assistance, then it is hard to understand what he based his eye witness testimony on, particularly if he says those words to Rook before they set out to find Neve. However, the game play trailer was only around 15-20 minutes long and apparently the prologue actually lasts around an hour, with it edited down to omit spoilers and for brevity, so quite a bit could occur in that missing time period that could warrant Varric's description and have him saying those words prior to reaching Arlathan. Yea hit's possible that Rok doe ssomething tha timpresses Varric somewhre in betwee nfinding Nev ean dending up in Arlathan Forest especially if the prologue is an hour long like DAI's
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Aug 24, 2024 11:53:06 GMT
I have one problem with this. We have seen in the second trailer Varric standing in front of Solas Eluvian what happens after the ritual. Where do you mean? The only scene with an eluvian has Rook, Neve, Harding and Bellara standing one side of an eluvian and then Rook, Neve and Harding leaving on the other side. Those scenes may actually be out of order because the Game Informer Article had the first quest as Rook, Neve and Harding going back to Arlathan and meeting Bellara, which is where they were in the second scene but the view in the eluvian was somewhere else in the first one. This is why it is hard to work out what happens where based on dialogue because much of it is spliced in and does not necessarily relate to the scene shown, which we know to be the case with Varric and Rook in the scene where he is describing Rook's qualities. Snip There is one scene with Rook, Harding, Neve, and Varric entering Arlathan forest, most likely from Minrathous, using an eluvian. Maybe its that scene? Granted, that would be before the encounter with Solas.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 24, 2024 12:11:15 GMT
There is one scene with Rook, Harding, Neve, and Varric entering Arlathan forest, most likely from Minrathous, using an eluvian. Maybe its that scene? Granted, that would be before the encounter with Solas. When Fairdragon said the 2nd trailer, I assumed that meant this latest trailer rather than the game play one, because the latter was definitely showing the sequence of events before the confrontation with Solas (albeit edited down from the actual length in game) so seeing Varric emerge from an eluvian there was before he lost Bianca (which can be seen in his hands/on his back). I will have to check it again. If Bianca is not shown then it would be after his confrontation with Solas but I'm pretty sure that is not the case and there has been no scene with Varric exiting an eluvian after the prologue. EDIT: Just checked and he is definitely holding Bianca as he exists the eluvian. The eluvian shown in that trailer was apparently found in a building in Minrathous (Our Lady of Victory) and his hideout was probably beneath the main structure, so that is where the eluvian was located. Solas had presumably used it to get back to Arlathan himself, or one of his followers did, but for some reason left it open. I am still puzzled why, given the delicate nature of his ritual, Solas didn't deal with anything else requiring the use of the eluvian, including sending his followers to safety, before starting the final phase and then shut down the network so he could not be disturbed (because he knew people were hunting him). It seems illogical and absurd that he would undertake this action with the network left open unless he posted a guard to ensure his safety. Hence me wondering if the spirits/demons attacking us were there at his request.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 24, 2024 12:21:05 GMT
Neve said in the game play trailer that she could sense Solas was drawing power the equivalent of at least a dozen mages. Was that just his innate magic boosted by Mythal and the lyrium blade or were there actually other supporters of his, unseen but providing additional mana?
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Post by azarhal on Aug 24, 2024 12:29:05 GMT
Neve said in the game play trailer that she could sense Solas was drawing power the equivalent of at least a dozen mages. Was that just his innate magic boosted by Mythal and the lyrium blade or were there actually other supporters of his, unseen but providing additional mana? He might have been drawing power from some of the Evanuris while moving them since we can see energy going from 3 of the statues. I don't think he had supporters, he's a lonely wolf.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 24, 2024 13:33:38 GMT
He might have been drawing power from some of the Evanuris while moving them since we can see energy going from 3 of the statues. I don't think he had supporters, he's a lonely wolf. That's not what the epilogue to Trespasser implied. All these elves were going missing across Thedas, even some of those who had served the Inquisition (most likely his agents) but definitely a fair number had gone somewhere and it was particularly those who believed the Inquisitor's story about Fen'Harel who thought that was where they had gone. Also, in Tevinter Nights there were several instances of his supporters, including an elf who did not join him saying how they had tried to recruit her. So, what did he want them for? I have to admit I was always afraid it was going to be some blood magic ritual, so I'm glad that is not the case. Now I imagine all that work setting up the statues probably needed a bit of help. It certainly wasn't done entirely by magic because of the scaffolding holding them up. So, even if he levitated them into upright position, someone else was needed at ground level to apply the wooden structures to keep them there. Where did they go after that? Solas is a loner when it comes to planning but he definitely isn't averse to getting people to work for him, provided they are willing to trust him and not ask too many questions. Some of his followers were definitely ancient elves because the Carta dwarf could spot the difference from regular Dalish. Felassan was an ancient elf so there was no reason why there shouldn't have been more of them. Plus Solas told Flemeth that the People needed him. Not much point in taking down the Veil if there was no one left to enjoy it and he implied to Charter that there would be. So, where are they?
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 24, 2024 13:43:08 GMT
I try to find the breakdown the youtuber pointed him out. could take some time. Well at least one person was saying the person behind Morrigan was Varric but it wasn't, it was Emmrich. There are other places in the trailer where commentators assume the wrong thing, so I always double check these claims if I can because not everyone on You Tube gets these things correct. I'll admit I've sometimes missed things or wrongly interpreted them, so I am always happy to be corrected if I have got it wrong.
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Post by Sandetiger on Aug 24, 2024 14:00:54 GMT
Re: Podcast serving as direct lead up instead of The Missing. I’m thinking the podcast is a way to introduce lore from the books/comics in a way people might find more accessible. It’s free and you don’t have to dedicate time, since you can listen while multitasking. In what world are podcasts more accessible lmao Maybe to a very specific subset of people, esp those who struggle with reading for long periods of time (ie those who have adhd) or who have better access with auditory dissemination of information due to visual disabilities, but podcasts as a medium have historically and very consistently come under fire for not being accessible to other subsets of people who 100% rely on visual feedback.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 24, 2024 14:11:39 GMT
Re: Podcast serving as direct lead up instead of The Missing. I’m thinking the podcast is a way to introduce lore from the books/comics in a way people might find more accessible. It’s free and you don’t have to dedicate time, since you can listen while multitasking. In what world are podcasts more accessible lmao Maybe to a very specific subset of people, esp those who struggle with reading for long periods of time and who have better access with auditory dissemination of information, but podcasts as a medium have historically and very consistently come under fire for not being accessible to other subsets of people who 100% rely on visual feedback. I think she meant this colloquially - thanks to proliferation of smartphones people are now so used to listening to stuff (while doing other things) that not only everyone and their dog has a podcast, not only audiobooks are the fastest-growing area of publishing, but it's how many people "watch" YouTube videos.
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Post by Sandetiger on Aug 24, 2024 14:38:05 GMT
In what world are podcasts more accessible lmao Maybe to a very specific subset of people, esp those who struggle with reading for long periods of time and who have better access with auditory dissemination of information, but podcasts as a medium have historically and very consistently come under fire for not being accessible to other subsets of people who 100% rely on visual feedback. I think she meant this colloquially - thanks to proliferation of smartphones people are now so used to listening to stuff (while doing other things) that not only everyone and their dog has a podcast, not only audiobooks are the fastest-growing area of publishing, but it's how many people "watch" YouTube videos. The thing that gets me about this, I think, is that accessibility is by and large really only talked about as [disability] accessibility. Like the history of this as a concept going back to the 1960s is very much tied to disability access and I think it's really good and important that we are talking about this in wider implications of what it means to have accessible design because this impacts so many people and even people who aren't disabled benefit from having access in certain ways (see: people who multitask) but it shouldn't be decontextualized from the fact that this usage of accessibility and what it means to have "accessible design" is tied to disability access. I think podcasts as a medium would be incredibly inclusive if they were required to also have transcripts which met access standards, but as you say, everyone and their dog has a podcast, the medium has exploded, and there are very few regulations that actually provide guidelines for what's required. It was an uphill battle just to have mandated closed captioning on televisions and movie releases when VHS and later DVDs were coming out, and despite this battle starting in the 1980s, it wasn't until circa 2011 that Netflix was court-mandated to provide subtitles and closed captioning on all of their streaming media - which, mind you, already existed in the subtitle and cc tracks, they just didn't want to pay for the added labor to integrate them into streaming on their website. But, of course, new medium, no real regulations, no requirements for access and what it means to be accessible. So, circling back to Dragon Age to keep this on topic, it's really frustrating because an official transcript would genuinely make a podcast far more accessible than it actually is at the moment. Not only for people who are deaf/hearing impaired or who live with audio processing issues including delayed speech processing, but it opens up wider access for people who prefer to access with speech readers over the established soundscape (which, again, really isn't that distinct from what I can tell if you have any variance in your hearing/audio processing and will likely cause problems with recognition of dialogue/speakers) but it also has the added benefit of opening wider access to people who, for example, don't speak English as their primary language and rely on translations. In addition to those who are D/HOH/APD, the second largest response of concerns and requests I have seen in various socmed locations is "Please release in x language." Which, I don't think is actually going to happen, for a lot of reasons related to costs and logistics of recording dialogue in various languages. it is much easier and much more readily available as an option to translate text in a text translation software than to try and run an audio file through a translation software -- I'm not even completely sure that exists yet, or if it's any good. Text can also be formulated visually to be ADHD friendly, and if you're not in a place where you have good or reliable internet for streaming audio/video, or are in a position where you need to read and listen to other things (such as childcare), this also opens up access. Realistically getting good, highquality transcripts would only cost maybe around $500 USD, which is a drop in the bucket for a corporation worth literal billions like EA is, and it's bizarre because they already basically have a transcript -- it's a scripted podcast, they wrote the script already.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 24, 2024 14:40:56 GMT
I'm kinda hoping that destroying Bianca is just the same means as destroying our Inky's arm - it's just a way to justify them not being in the thick of it with us. Hopefully it could also mean that Varric could also perhaps move on from the actual Bianca? Like, I get she's his big love, but at the end of the day she's with her husband and I think Varric deserves some happiness after all the shit he's been through. Hidden Varric romance Bioware? Common, you know you want to!If he dies, I'm probably... like almost inclined to resent Bianca (Davri), as well. Screw that b*tch. Varric deserved better. But seriously, if they end up killing Varric, I'll be devastated. 10 years of waiting only to see my favorite character biting the dust, It'll make me more motivated to turn Solas into my personal goblet.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Aug 24, 2024 14:47:15 GMT
There is one scene with Rook, Harding, Neve, and Varric entering Arlathan forest, most likely from Minrathous, using an eluvian. Maybe its that scene? Granted, that would be before the encounter with Solas. When Fairdragon said the 2nd trailer, I assumed that meant this latest trailer rather than the game play one, because the latter was definitely showing the sequence of events before the confrontation with Solas (albeit edited down from the actual length in game) so seeing Varric emerge from an eluvian there was before he lost Bianca (which can be seen in his hands/on his back). I will have to check it again. If Bianca is not shown then it would be after his confrontation with Solas but I'm pretty sure that is not the case and there has been no scene with Varric exiting an eluvian after the prologue. EDIT: Just checked and he is definitely holding Bianca as he exists the eluvian. The eluvian shown in that trailer was apparently found in a building in Minrathous (Our Lady of Victory) and his hideout was probably beneath the main structure, so that is where the eluvian was located. Solas had presumably used it to get back to Arlathan himself, or one of his followers did, but for some reason left it open. I am still puzzled why, given the delicate nature of his ritual, Solas didn't deal with anything else requiring the use of the eluvian, including sending his followers to safety, before starting the final phase and then shut down the network so he could not be disturbed (because he knew people were hunting him). It seems illogical and absurd that he would undertake this action with the network left open unless he posted a guard to ensure his safety. Hence me wondering if the spirits/demons attacking us were there at his request. Yea, I don't know then. The eluvian scene in the release date trailer is very obvious what companions are there, so I'm not sure how the Youtuber could have mistaken a Varric appearance. Well I guess Harding and Varric are both dwarves and have long hair.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 24, 2024 14:47:58 GMT
Killing Varric. That wouldn't bother me. What would bother is the lead up to his death. Did it make sense? Was it necessary? I say that after what Bioware did to a few character deaths in ME3
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Weisshaupt Fortress is under attack from a blighted elven god and her Archdemon. Rook and the Veilguard must stop her.
This video will teach you how to prepare for battle, the basics of combat, crowd control, combo detonations, and more!
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Post by Reznore on Aug 24, 2024 15:04:56 GMT
Beware Bioware wrote edited for massive spoiler then proceed to bloody spoil a big thing. Wunderbar.
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Post by sloth on Aug 24, 2024 15:16:50 GMT
Beware Bioware wrote edited for massive spoiler then proceed to bloody spoil a big thing. Wunderbar. you mean the video has spoilers? or is the EA website article? I guess I should avoid both of them?
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Post by luketrevelyan on Aug 24, 2024 15:18:13 GMT
Beware Bioware wrote edited for massive spoiler then proceed to bloody spoil a big thing. Wunderbar. Hmmm...wanted to see the combat but also trying to avoid big spoilers so I guess I won't watch. Thanks for the heads up!
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Post by Reznore on Aug 24, 2024 15:26:13 GMT
Beware Bioware wrote edited for massive spoiler then proceed to bloody spoil a big thing. Wunderbar. you mean the video has spoilers? or is the EA website article? I guess I should avoid both of them? Haven't read/watch everything but right at the start of the first video, Bioware wrote "we edited this video to avoid big spoiler. So here's *big spoilers* . " It's kinda hilarious. Edit the article looks spoiler free to me.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Aug 24, 2024 15:31:23 GMT
So I guess Rook is a mage who chooses to be a warrior/rogue? Either that or Bioware is disconnecting gameplay from lore/continuity.
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