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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 18, 2024 22:57:35 GMT
When he put out the articles back in the day i was upset at him cause i was so steadfast in my belief that such a version of dragon age couldn't possibly be in development. And then years later it's been confirmed by devs that it was a thing, so now I'm more open minded to hearing what he has to say Most - reasonable - people seem to have settled on an opinion of him that can be summed up as; "I don't always like what he says, but he's right far more often than he is wrong". He is very well sourced, as well. Take both those things in to account and you have a journalist. But yeah, he stirred some angst around here back in the day.
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Post by q5tyhj on Oct 18, 2024 23:07:46 GMT
The thing is... it's not unique. Not anymore. Twitter is full of ragebaiters and very toxic people - usually overlapping with ones raging about Veilguard - arguing that any woman that doesn't look like porn star or isn't yassified looks like a man. Strawman. Evidence or this is empty. Unless you know the specific people midnight tea is talking about, and have some tangible evidence that this is an inaccurate representation of their view, this is just you being the boy-who-cried-strawman, yet again.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 18, 2024 23:27:02 GMT
Evidence or this is empty. Unless you know the specific people midnight tea is talking about, and have some tangible evidence that this is an inaccurate representation of their view, this is just you being the boy-who-cried-strawman, yet again. It's not up to me to prove a negative. I assert that just because a person says a female character looks like a man does not mean that said person wants ALL female characters to look like "porn stars" It is a hyperbolic smear on anyone who would DARE question the "art".
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Post by q5tyhj on Oct 18, 2024 23:44:47 GMT
Evidence or this is empty. Unless you know the specific people midnight tea is talking about, and have some tangible evidence that this is an inaccurate representation of their view, this is just you being the boy-who-cried-strawman, yet again. It's not up to me to prove a negative. I assert that just because a person says a female character looks like a man does not mean that said person wants ALL female characters to look like "porn stars" It is a hyperbolic smear on anyone who would DARE question the "art". It most certainly is on you to back up your claim of "strawman". That's how it works. Saying someone is making a strawman argument requires you to say how/why they've gotten the person's position wrong, else you're not backing up your claim (your burden of proof) and your claim can be dismissed without consideration. But that isn't even the biggest problem here. You still don't seem to understand what a strawman is: a strawman is a misrepresentation of a specific and actual person's stated position or argument, from which a conclusion is drawn.If I say that person X on Twitter argued Y on the basis of Z, the existence of some other person who also holds Y but on a different basis doesn't make it a strawman. And if the (mis)representation is not the premise of an argument, i.e. involving an inference to a conclusion, for instance that position X is false. So, whether this accusation holds any water depends on you being able to answer the following two questions in the affirmative: 1. Do you know the specific people midnight tea were referencing, and what they said? If not, then you have no idea whether its a strawman or not. 2. Do you have any evidence that it was a misrepresentation of the actual stated views of those particular people? If not, you have nothing to back up your accusation and you may as well accused them of assassinating Abe Lincoln for all the credibility the accusation carries. And even if those are both answered in the affirmative, there's nothing fallacious about it (i.e. its not a true strawman) if its not involved in an inference (fallacies are invalid inferences). I also find it highly ironic (and rather amusing) that you are clearly misrepresenting midnight tea here. Maybe stick to stuff you know and leave the fallacy hunting to philosophy/logic nerds who at least understand the terminology?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Oct 18, 2024 23:46:04 GMT
When he put out the articles back in the day i was upset at him cause i was so steadfast in my belief that such a version of dragon age couldn't possibly be in development. And then years later it's been confirmed by devs that it was a thing, so now I'm more open minded to hearing what he has to say Most - reasonable - people seem to have settled on an opinion of him that can be summed up as; "I don't always like what he says, but he's right far more often than he is wrong". He is very well sourced, as well. Take both those things in to account and you have a journalist. But yeah, he stirred some angst around here back in the day. That's on ewa yof putting it.
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Post by biggydx on Oct 18, 2024 23:47:52 GMT
Yes, long time fans are aware. Aware that Bio does not give a rat's arse about what their fans like or dislike. ... "artistic integrity" and all that.
Success with DA4 means a DA5 and a ME5.... and that's what I want to see.
Yeah, but I would want GOOD DA5 and ME5. Not just something with the Dragon Age or Mass Effect label slapped on it. I guess I should go ahead and ask the question then. Can Dragon Age only be good if it's strictly a CRPG?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Oct 18, 2024 23:53:56 GMT
Yeah, but I would want GOOD DA5 and ME5. Not just something with the Dragon Age or Mass Effect label slapped on it. I guess I should go ahead and ask the question then. Can Dragon Age only be good if it's strictly a CRPG? Given th esucess of BG3 I'd sa yyesbu tas man hav pointed ou teven i nDAO and DA2 hte yewre qalread yedgin gtowards a moe raction style of gameplay.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 18, 2024 23:55:22 GMT
He also isn’t the one ‘worrying’ about what is in other people’s pants. He’s making fun of the ones who are. That's on ewa yof puttin it yes personall yI don' tca rewho is makin gth egames i fit look an intrestimng game wit ha cool stor y I'll byu it. I found a game Unknow n 9Awakening that's jus tabout t ocom ou tfrom a dev that's facin gsimilar criticism I'v seen the gam eand i tlook prett yinteresting o ra tleas tinterestin genough fo rme t oconsid ergiving it a chance. I haven' tplayed i tye tbecaus eI'm goin gt owai tunti lafte Veilguard befoer I play given how close w ea ret oVeilguard' slaunch. It hasn' tha dbi gnumbers o fasles but becaus eit's a single playre gam emad e b ya smalll studio I don' thin kit'll mattr too much. So, the known has been known 8 times? The 9th one is the one that broke the camels back? /kidding
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Post by lucidae on Oct 18, 2024 23:55:55 GMT
Yeah, but I would want GOOD DA5 and ME5. Not just something with the Dragon Age or Mass Effect label slapped on it. I guess I should go ahead and ask the question then. Can Dragon Age only be good if it's strictly a CRPG? I love CRPGs and my answer to this is no. What makes it good is the world and how it's been built, the smaller contained stories and larger narrative, and the characters. Gameplay is meant to serve the story of dragon age to me. And that isn't necessarily or always best done as a CRPG.
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 18, 2024 23:56:29 GMT
That's on ewa yof puttin it yes personall yI don' tca rewho is makin gth egames i fit look an intrestimng game wit ha cool stor y I'll byu it. I found a game Unknow n 9Awakening that's jus tabout t ocom ou tfrom a dev that's facin gsimilar criticism I'v seen the gam eand i tlook prett yinteresting o ra tleas tinterestin genough fo rme t oconsid ergiving it a chance. I haven' tplayed i tye tbecaus eI'm goin gt owai tunti lafte Veilguard befoer I play given how close w ea ret oVeilguard' slaunch. It hasn' tha dbi gnumbers o fasles but becaus eit's a single playre gam emad e b ya smalll studio I don' thin kit'll mattr too much. I was keeping an eye on this one (because I like Anya Chalotra...(sp?)) and the concept looked cool. I was prepared to ignore all of the Unknown 9: A wokening reviews that seemed inevitable, because, you know...a brown girl, but when actual gaming outlets (i.e. not rage-baiting Youtubers and Xitterers) are describing the gameplay as janky and 'mid', I'm going to hold off for a bit. Plus the devs recommend using a controller.... I have a PC.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 18, 2024 23:56:39 GMT
It's not up to me to prove a negative. I assert that just because a person says a female character looks like a man does not mean that said person wants ALL female characters to look like "porn stars" It is a hyperbolic smear on anyone who would DARE question the "art". It most certainly is on you to back up your claim of "strawman". That's how it works. Saying someone is making a strawman argument requires you to say how/why they've gotten the person's position wrong, else you're not backing up your claim (your burden of proof) and your claim can be dismissed without consideration. But that isn't even the biggest problem here. You still don't seem to understand what a strawman is: a strawman is a misrepresentation of a specific and actual person's stated position or argument, from which a conclusion is drawn.If I say that person X on Twitter argued Y on the basis of Z, the existence of some other person who also holds Y but on a different basis doesn't make it a strawman. And if the (mis)representation is not the premise of an argument, i.e. involving an inference to a conclusion, for instance that position X is false. So, whether this accusation holds any water depends on you being able to answer the following two questions in the affirmative: 1. Do you know the specific people midnight tea were referencing, and what they said? If not, then you have no idea whether its a strawman or not. 2. Do you have any evidence that it was a misrepresentation of the actual stated views of those particular people? If not, you have nothing to back up your accusation and you may as well accused them of assassinating Abe Lincoln for all the credibility the accusation carries. And even if those are both answered in the affirmative, there's nothing fallacious about it (i.e. its not a true strawman) if its not involved in an inference (fallacies are invalid inferences). I also find it highly ironic (and rather amusing) that you are clearly misrepresenting midnight tea here. Maybe stick to stuff you know and leave the fallacy hunting to philosophy/logic nerds who at least understand the terminology? First, I DID back up my claim: I assert that just because a person says a female character looks like a man does not mean that said person wants ALL female characters to look like "porn stars" And I'm right. Prove otherwise. Second, the REAL definition of a strawman is: "An intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument." I assert here that claiming that anyone who dislikes the female form in a video game, particularly in regards to claims that said female "look like men" just want them to look like porn stars, is a misrepresentation of the position set up to make it easier to defeat their argument" You are not arguing what they are saying, but what you claim they are thinking. Because I have yet to find ANYONE saying they want female characters in Dragon Age to look like porn stars.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 18, 2024 23:59:46 GMT
I was keeping an eye on this one (because I like Anya Chalotra...(sp?)) and the concept looked cool. I was prepared to ignore all of the Unknown 9: A wokening reviews that seemed inevitable, because, you know...a brown girl, but when actual gaming outlets (i.e. not rage-baiting Youtubers and Xitterers) are describing the gameplay as janky and 'mid', I'm going to hold off for a bit. Plus the devs recommend using a controller.... I have a PC. Um, you can use a controller on a pc...
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Post by Iakus on Oct 19, 2024 0:10:07 GMT
Yeah, but I would want GOOD DA5 and ME5. Not just something with the Dragon Age or Mass Effect label slapped on it. I guess I should go ahead and ask the question then. Can Dragon Age only be good if it's strictly a CRPG? Define "strictly a CRPG". I mean, the original DAO was made to be a spiritual successor to the Baldur's Gate games. And Owlcat has shown there's still a demand for that. But Larian has also shown that strictly turn-based isn't dead yet (and in fact, Owlcat's Rogue Trader is turn-based as well). Then there's Bethesda's first person style, with or without VATS. Or hell, there's Telltale's point-and-click RPGs. Or are you imagining a Dragon Age FPS? a 4X game? A dating sim? (Who am I kidding, that last one would sell like hotcakes) But the real question is, how will future Dragon Age games treat their lore and their players? Will their ability to entertain be outpaced by their ability to preach? Will they continue to change the setting and characters to suit whatever story they want to tell? Will they finally settle on a particular "look" for the Thedas setting? How much freedom will they allow players to have in future games?
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Post by Iakus on Oct 19, 2024 0:10:42 GMT
Plus the devs recommend using a controller.... I have a PC. Um, you can use a controller on a pc... Yes, but not everyone likes to use them.
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Post by lucidae on Oct 19, 2024 0:12:18 GMT
Or are you imagining a Dragon Age FPS? a 4X game? A dating sim? (Who am I kidding, that last one would sell like hotcakes) Wait.... all the other games weren't dating sims...? Edit: excuse my wonky quote i use tapatalk phone and snipping a quote has proven to be too technically difficult for me 😔🫠
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Post by lucidae on Oct 19, 2024 0:17:43 GMT
On the topic of controllers. I will be playing on PC and was originally thinking I'd use my ps5 controller because that's what I prefer with action games and I usually struggle with keyboard+mouse (I'm STILL improving my hardware control mechanics on league and I've played that game 10+ years!)
But then I remembered I've got a 12 button naga mouse that I'm very good at using and thought, well maybe I can just re-bind controls to that 🤔
What are fellow pc players leaning towards for control hardware?
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Post by q5tyhj on Oct 19, 2024 0:18:31 GMT
It most certainly is on you to back up your claim of "strawman". That's how it works. Saying someone is making a strawman argument requires you to say how/why they've gotten the person's position wrong, else you're not backing up your claim (your burden of proof) and your claim can be dismissed without consideration. But that isn't even the biggest problem here. You still don't seem to understand what a strawman is: a strawman is a misrepresentation of a specific and actual person's stated position or argument, from which a conclusion is drawn.If I say that person X on Twitter argued Y on the basis of Z, the existence of some other person who also holds Y but on a different basis doesn't make it a strawman. And if the (mis)representation is not the premise of an argument, i.e. involving an inference to a conclusion, for instance that position X is false. So, whether this accusation holds any water depends on you being able to answer the following two questions in the affirmative: 1. Do you know the specific people midnight tea were referencing, and what they said? If not, then you have no idea whether its a strawman or not. 2. Do you have any evidence that it was a misrepresentation of the actual stated views of those particular people? If not, you have nothing to back up your accusation and you may as well accused them of assassinating Abe Lincoln for all the credibility the accusation carries. And even if those are both answered in the affirmative, there's nothing fallacious about it (i.e. its not a true strawman) if its not involved in an inference (fallacies are invalid inferences). I also find it highly ironic (and rather amusing) that you are clearly misrepresenting midnight tea here. Maybe stick to stuff you know and leave the fallacy hunting to philosophy/logic nerds who at least understand the terminology? First, I DID back up my claim: I assert that just because a person says a female character looks like a man does not mean that said person wants ALL female characters to look like "porn stars" And I'm right. Prove otherwise. Second, the REAL definition of a strawman is: "An intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument." I assert here that claiming that anyone who dislikes the female form in a video game, particularly in regards to claims that said female "look like men" just want them to look like porn stars, is a misrepresentation of the position set up to make it easier to defeat their argument" You are not arguing what they are saying, but what you claim they are thinking. Because I have yet to find ANYONE saying they want female characters in Dragon Age to look like porn stars. Yeah lol that's not backing up your claim, and that's not any sort of evidence; bare assertions don't adequately back up other bare assertions. Nor does your "real" (lol) definition of strawman conflict with anything I just said. But it adds a further obstacle, making your accusation even more absurd- not only do you need to know who midnight tea was referencing, and know their actual positions, you would also need to know they did it intentionally. But you know none of those things, do you? So, not a strawman as far as you know or can show evidence of. Thanks for playing, better luck next time.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 19, 2024 0:19:49 GMT
Evidence or this is empty. Unless you know the specific people midnight tea is talking about, and have some tangible evidence that this is an inaccurate representation of their view, this is just you being the boy-who-cried-strawman, yet again. It's not up to me to prove a negative. I assert that just because a person says a female character looks like a man does not mean that said person wants ALL female characters to look like "porn stars" It is a hyperbolic smear on anyone who would DARE question the "art". I had you on mute so I didn't notice a response, and I suppose now I know why I muted you. It's very telling that you feel called out and immediately resort to strawmanning what I said me (as q5tyhj pointed out) while claiming I strawman... who exactly? Strawmanning HOW? Because, I'd like to point out, saying "Twitter is full of ragebaiters and very toxic people - usually overlapping with ones raging about Veilguard - arguing that any woman that doesn't look like porn star or isn't yassified looks like a man" does not equal "just because a person says a female character looks like a man does not mean that said person wants ALL female characters to look like "porn stars". Like... what you're doing is TEXTBOOK strawman. Warping what I said into something it wasn't and knocking it down. And the only reason I can think of you doing is because, well.... a hit dog will holler? I mean, I've had you on mute for a while so I certainly couldn't talk about you, lol. So... chill out? And in case you want example of what kind of ragebaiters and toxic people I'm talking about... well, they're blowing their gasket about Subnautica 2 today.
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 19, 2024 0:20:20 GMT
Plus the devs recommend using a controller.... I have a PC. Um, you can use a controller on a pc...
LOL... I have one... my fingering is totally awful....
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Oct 19, 2024 0:22:44 GMT
Um, you can use a controller on a pc... Yes, but not everyone likes to use them. Usin gthem is stil onl yan option though.
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