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Post by smilesja on Jun 20, 2022 16:47:00 GMT
Remember how for Mothers' Day we were discussing just how many good mothers there were in Thedas? Well, I was thinking about the track record for fathers in Thedas and realised we haven't had that many decent fathers either. Those that were seem to have been killed off either prior to the time period we were in or shortly after the game started. At present my prize for best father would go to Malcolm Hawke, who did a decent job of raising and training his three children despite all the problems associated with being an apostate mage. Anyone got an alternative nomination? What about Bryce Cousland? He seemed to be a good father for the Warden and his family.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 20, 2022 16:47:26 GMT
Good father? Depends on your view point, Nat Howe thought his daddy was swell. Well maybe it's true from a certain point of view.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 20, 2022 17:47:07 GMT
Remember how for Mothers' Day we were discussing just how many good mothers there were in Thedas? Well, I was thinking about the track record for fathers in Thedas and realised we haven't had that many decent fathers either. Those that were seem to have been killed off either prior to the time period we were in or shortly after the game started. At present my prize for best father would go to Malcolm Hawke, who did a decent job of raising and training his three children despite all the problems associated with being an apostate mage. Anyone got an alternative nomination? What about Bryce Cousland? He seemed to be a good father for the Warden and his family. I suppose that depends on your definition of a good father. To me virtually all your family getting wiped out is a significant blot.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jun 20, 2022 18:02:20 GMT
...Imma say a Male Warden who romanced Morrigan (depending on how he was played of course)
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Post by Gilli on Jun 20, 2022 18:11:18 GMT
My male Warden def is a good dad Whenever he's free he meets up with Morrigan and Kieran to spend time with them.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 20, 2022 19:00:15 GMT
Warden Tabris has a good dad who is still alive and in contact with their kid! Didn't do much when I was kidnapped by Vaughan. Don't recall any voice raised in objection and he didn't join with the rescuers in trying to free me. Think about it, what Dad wouldn't want to rescue their daughter even at the risk of their own life? Bryce Cousland is also in the 'good dad who died five minutes into the game' club. Other than that, Aveline had another good dad who is dead. Like I said, there weren't too many Dads still living. I gave Malcolm the edge over Bryce because it is easier when you don't have to constantly fear Templars on the horizon. Also, I'm still not certain about Bryce's involvement with Cailan's plan to divorce Anora and marry Celene, although I'll concede that doesn't really reflect on him as a father. Oghren and Blackwall spring to mind. Well Oghren's family seem to have disowned him after Branka disappeared, since he drowned his sorrows alone, and Blackwall's father didn't instill in him how you shouldn't murder children for profit, so let's not assume anything there. Josephine and Harding manage what almost no other major Dragon Age characters do and have two entire good parents who are still alive You are right. I'd forgotten about them. I'm not sure, though, but doesn't Harding mention her Mum more than her Dad? Master Dennet: He is a good father and takes care of his people in general. True, he does seem a decent guy all round. Loghain seems to have been a good father too (well, up until the very end), Yes, I nearly mentioned Loghain but he did rather ruin things late on in leaving her to Howe's tender mercies. Up to then he seemed to have been doing a good enough job at it and I suppose you could argue that it was Cailan trying to divorce Anora that pushed him over the edge. That whole thing was a bit odd. We were told at the beginning in Ostagar that the King and Loghain were arguing about the Queen, yet he seemed surprised when we made the discovery in the chest, but may be Cailan had simply suggested that Anora wasn't doing her duty in providing an heir. Eamon was good to his child He never realised he was a mage though, so presumably wasn't that close to him. I'll cut him a bit of slack over Alistair since he had taken on Maric's responsibilities and presumably had sworn to keep his secret. I wonder if Alistair ever learnt who his real mother was.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 20, 2022 19:41:31 GMT
, and Blackwall's father didn't instill in him how you shouldn't murder children for profit, so let's not assume anything there. I mean, to be fair, he might have thought that was self-evident. We don’t know anything about the man, as far as I know. And you can’t always blame a kid’s bad behavior on their parent’s rearing, especially once they’re adults. Might be able to blame him for how Thom handled the dog incident (I think that was when he was younger?) But I’m iffy on that, too.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jun 21, 2022 2:59:25 GMT
Warden Tabris has a good dad who is still alive and in contact with their kid! Didn't do much when I was kidnapped by Vaughan. Don't recall any voice raised in objection and he didn't join with the rescuers in trying to free me. Think about it, what Dad wouldn't want to rescue their daughter even at the risk of their own life? Cyrion has no martial skills - that was his wife's thing - and seems wildly unqualified to rescue you. I can't blame him for standing back and letting someone who knows which end of a sword is which do it rather than getting himself killed for nothing.
Oghren has no living relatives on his father's side. After Branka became a paragon, House Kondrat merged with her smith caste house and they were all elevated to the nobility. Then Branka took the whole lot of them into the Deep Roads where they died or became broodmothers or ghouls. Hespith was the last survivor, save Oghren himself. (And his kid, if he's a boy, but either way he's a casteless surfacer.)
My bet about Oghren's dad is that he died in some warrior-appropriate way decades ago, but he's definitely not alive by the time we get to Orzammar.
The problem there wasn't that he didn't know it was wrong, but that he froze up and didn't call of his men when he realised that there were children involved. (Which is even more wrong, really, but not the same problem.) Either way I'm not sure we can blame the elder Mr. Ranier for it.
Her mother is the one that writes the letters, yes.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 21, 2022 7:23:12 GMT
What about Bryce Cousland? He seemed to be a good father for the Warden and his family. I suppose that depends on your definition of a good father. To me virtually all your family getting wiped out is a significant blot. Because of Howe?
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 21, 2022 7:51:58 GMT
I suppose that depends on your definition of a good father. To me virtually all your family getting wiped out is a significant blot. Because of Howe? Because of being an idiot
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2022 7:54:02 GMT
I can't blame him for standing back and letting someone who knows which end of a sword is which do it rather than getting himself killed for nothing. No, when your child is at risk rationality tends to go out of the window. At the very least they should have had him say when you are reunited that he wanted to go with Soris and your fiance but the other elves prevented him. In fact it would have made more sense for him to accompany Soris and end up being killed than your fiance who had only just arrived in Denerim and had no real connection with anyone there beyond an arranged marriage. As it turned out, his martial skills weren't up to much either.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2022 8:17:57 GMT
We don’t know anything about the man, as far as I know. And you can’t always blame a kid’s bad behavior on their parent’s rearing, especially once they’re adults. Either way I'm not sure we can blame the elder Mr. Ranier for it. To be honest I was being a bit facetious there. Obviously we can't say either way what sort of father Thom had, or Oghran for that matter. I was suggesting candidates for a good father based off actual evidence we do have rather than just speculation and assumptions based off that. Malcolm, Bryce and Dennett definitely qualify, Loghain mostly does, ditto Averline's father (although giving her such a loaded name probably didn't do her any favours). Josephine's parents seem good sorts, although that is mostly based on how she turned out rather than definite information, and Harding's was probably okay too but again her main point of contact is her mother. One other father who deserves a mention, that I had forgotten before, and that is Maevaris' Dad. He always supported her, despite the social stigma and scandal that caused. Although, of course, we don't know that from the games, only WoT2.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 21, 2022 11:20:33 GMT
I'm just going to assume this is Dad related.
Sorry if this has been posted already, didn't see Hrungr do it.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 21, 2022 13:19:09 GMT
I'm just going to assume this is Dad related. Sorry if this has been posted already, didn't see Hrungr do it. I did see it, but Alix is a busy VA, so I didn't want to assume it was DAD related. If I had to guess, it's more likely the rumored Amunet (Assassin's Creed Origins) crossover event/DLC. Alix also posted something in mocap gear a while back and noted it wasn't for DA.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 21, 2022 15:45:09 GMT
I'm just going to assume this is Dad related. Sorry if this has been posted already, didn't see Hrungr do it. *strangled noises* … *sigh*
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Post by smilesja on Jun 21, 2022 19:04:51 GMT
I'm just going to assume this is Dad related. Sorry if this has been posted already, didn't see Hrungr do it. Awww Alyx's friend is her DAD.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 22, 2022 19:15:11 GMT
I'm just going to assume this is Dad related. Sorry if this has been posted already, didn't see Hrungr do it. Unrelated but it will suck if Varric gets another prominent role again.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jun 22, 2022 19:22:26 GMT
I'm just going to assume this is Dad related. Sorry if this has been posted already, didn't see Hrungr do it. Unrelated but it will suck if Varric gets another prominent role again. Considering he provides the voice over for the 2020 trailer and says "I've got your back", it seems like his role at least will be somewhat prominent. I'm hoping he's not a companion again because I would much rather have brand new characters than have him for a third time. Love the character but he's already got two games, that's enough. Maybe some kind of advisory role, or he could just be involved at important times but not throughout the whole game.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 22, 2022 19:42:19 GMT
Varric I like... especially in DA2. In DA:I not so much. Here, varric played a minor role, imo. In DA:DW, he may be just the story teller, though I don't mind if a major role is involved (if done well).
Speaking of potential companions, It bugged me that in DA:I our "heroes" were placed in various places and looked like mannekins, until you talked to therm. I prefer how Mass Effect / Andromeda did it. All this "deep characters" shyte went by the way side when I saw them as I was passing by.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 22, 2022 20:18:57 GMT
While I can't say I am exactly thrilled by the idea of Varric having a major role in DA:D IE being a companion again...A. I highly doubt that will happen and B. I can't say I am really too arsed or worried about it either. I'm willing to wait and see what they do with Varric again in DA:D and if its well written and executed...well...then I will support it, if its done poorly then I won't. Which I think is the problem since Varric felt kind of like a tagalong at times in Inquisition and he didn't really get that much to do.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 22, 2022 22:39:06 GMT
If we’re infiltrating the imperium from the outside as part of the Inquisition, I could see Varric being involved in the start of our journey. Viscount of a marcher city that is known to have Tevinter slave suppliers near and in it. Would be easy to insert us into a shipment from Kirkwall(or just orchestrate a fake one), have Dorian buy us on the Tevinter end, and bingo: we’re inside Minrathous, under the radar, with allies. And we can be any race and a lot of traditional backgrounds like Dalish. And we’d be outsiders to Tevinter, which lets us ask dumb questions. Unless there’s a Vint background with special dialogue options, which could also be cool.
The above lets Varric “have your back” without being a companion or even all that present outside of story beats.
Though, for the record, I’d be fine with him being a companion again. lol
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Post by smilesja on Jun 22, 2022 22:58:39 GMT
Varric I like... especially in DA2. In DA:I not so much. Here, varric played a minor role, imo. In DA:DW, he may be just the story teller, though I don't mind if a major role is involved (if done well).
Speaking of potential companions, It bugged me that in DA:I our "heroes" were placed in various places and looked like mannekins, until you talked to therm. I prefer how Mass Effect / Andromeda did it. All this "deep characters" shyte went by the way side when I saw them as I was passing by.
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You could say that Varric is Dragon Age's DAD? Okay I'll stop. For now......
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Post by colfoley on Jun 23, 2022 0:12:22 GMT
If we’re infiltrating the imperium from the outside as part of the Inquisition, I could see Varric being involved in the start of our journey. Viscount of a marcher city that is known to have Tevinter slave suppliers near and in it. Would be easy to insert us into a shipment from Kirkwall(or just orchestrate a fake one), have Dorian buy us on the Tevinter end, and bingo: we’re inside Minrathous, under the radar, with allies. And we can be any race and a lot of traditional backgrounds like Dalish. And we’d be outsiders to Tevinter, which lets us ask dumb questions. Unless there’s a Vint background with special dialogue options, which could also be cool. The above lets Varric “have your back” without being a companion or even all that present outside of story beats. Though, for the record, I’d be fine with him being a companion again. lol I do like the cut of your jib. Also would be about the only logical way if they make the Inquisitor the protagonist again. I know long shot given all the marketing but that would pretty much the only way they could do it.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 23, 2022 2:38:08 GMT
If we’re infiltrating the imperium from the outside as part of the Inquisition, I could see Varric being involved in the start of our journey. Viscount of a marcher city that is known to have Tevinter slave suppliers near and in it. Would be easy to insert us into a shipment from Kirkwall(or just orchestrate a fake one), have Dorian buy us on the Tevinter end, and bingo: we’re inside Minrathous, under the radar, with allies. And we can be any race and a lot of traditional backgrounds like Dalish. And we’d be outsiders to Tevinter, which lets us ask dumb questions. Unless there’s a Vint background with special dialogue options, which could also be cool. The above lets Varric “have your back” without being a companion or even all that present outside of story beats. Though, for the record, I’d be fine with him being a companion again. lol I do like the cut of your jib. Also would be about the only logical way if they make the Inquisitor the protagonist again. I know long shot given all the marketing but that would pretty much the only way they could do it. I may or may not have also been thinking that exact thought. lol I know it’s a ridiculous long shot at this point but having Inky back (or having an awakening scenario where you can choose old protagonist or new) would make this game for me. But yeah. Tempering expectations.
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