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Post by duskwanderer on Dec 13, 2018 23:16:20 GMT
I sincerely hope not. It is a bad idea, first, because the writer is no longer employed. Returning characters, particularly companions, should not be foisted off to others because the feel will be wrong. Second, the character really doesn't have much to do. His arc was written up entirely in identity politics and gay-angst against daddy. This arc has concluded because Daddy is dead. Whereas Anders was actually not the same character (he's an abomination twinned with Justice) and Varric had a plot point through Hawke. The only plot point Dorian would have would be the Inquisitor, and that's a character dependent relationship, as Dorian is technically optional (if you side with the templars and then don't recruit him)
Third, I hope not because he's dull. Inquisition's new companions were all kinda dull bar Josephine, and Dorian was the dullest of all.
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Post by ilovetinycakes on Dec 13, 2018 23:27:02 GMT
I don’t have big expectations. I just hope they will acknowledge his ongoing relationship with Inquisitor you mean the iron bull? =P No.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Dec 13, 2018 23:53:09 GMT
I very much want to see him, and expect that we will, but I don't think he'll be a companion again. More likely a major NPC, or an advisor if we have those again. (As for his writer being gone - well, they're on good terms with David Gaider, maybe he'd be willing to do a pass on Dorian's dialogue to check it for sufficient sass.)
And I hope his potential relationships with the Inquisitor or Iron Bull get a line or two of dialogue!
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 14, 2018 0:01:20 GMT
He is the most likely candidate... It also keeps a silent tradition alive by having a companion from the previous games return in the same role. Then is time to break this tradition. Harding would be the perfect and easiest choice for the familiar face companion.
Dorian on the hand could be romanced, not recruited, recruited or even sent away. Its not impossible to include him as companion but why should Bioware do this?
sincerely hope not. It is a bad idea, first, because the writer is no longer employed. I don´t see a problem here. A lot of original Gaider characters were already handled to other writers.
And I hope his potential relationships with the Inquisitor or Iron Bull get a line or two of dialogue! It would be nice to have a Keep tile for the Dorian and Iron Bull romance plus a tile for flirting with Harding.
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 14, 2018 0:09:30 GMT
He is the most likely candidate... It also keeps a silent tradition alive by having a companion from the previous games return in the same role. Then is time to break this tradition. Harding would be the perfect and easiest choice for the familiar face companion.
Dorian on the hand could be romanced, not recruited, recruited or even sent away. Its not impossible to include him as companion why should Bioware do this? Why not both?
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 14, 2018 0:22:24 GMT
You don´t need him in the party if you have Harding as the connection character between DAI and DA 4 and Maevaris for the fresher perspective as Lucerni leader.
Also Bioware don´t like to bring former romances back as companions. Furthermore Dorian has as character already enough screentime as companion. So why should he still come back as companion? Fanservice i guess but what else?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 14, 2018 0:26:24 GMT
He is the most likely candidate... It also keeps a silent tradition alive by having a companion from the previous games return in the same role. Then is time to break this tradition. Oh so now you want to break tradition.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 14, 2018 0:35:27 GMT
Then is time to break this tradition. Oh so now you want to break tradition. Harding almost counts as returning companion. So yeah is more the return of a familiar face and therefore its breaks the tradition. The question still remains why should Dorian return as companion then Bioware have good alternatives?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 14, 2018 0:40:52 GMT
I'd rather not have any of the former companions join the party at all, but if one must, then Dorian would be my preference.
I'm not convinced that it will prevent another gay male from being in the party. Devs have stated that previously romanceable characters will not be romanceable again, so his sexuality shouldn't be relevant.
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 14, 2018 0:53:08 GMT
You don´t need him in the party if you have Harding as the connection character between DAI and DA 4 and Maevaris for the fresher perspective as Lucerni leader.
Also Bioware don´t like to bring former romances back as companions. Furthermore Dorian has as character already enough screentime as companion. So why should he still come back as companion? Fanservice i guess but what else?
You are presuming a bit. Much more likely maevaris will be a secondary role, as anyone from the comics thus far has yet to be a starring role. Though that I would like to see that change. But the recent comics might make that be more of a thing with vaea I believe her name was. I don't know. At the end of the day I kind of like those little traditions. Harding is a shoo-in just for the inquisit in perspective. Considering the plot armor given to Dorian in tresspasser...that implies importance for later in some fashion, i suspect companion. Who knows in the end.
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Post by Starfang on Dec 14, 2018 2:02:46 GMT
Dorian will most certainly appear in DA4, whether he's a companion or not is up for debate. I just hope his relaxed views on slavery (basically: "it's my culture") have changed so his fans can stop white-knighting him to justify it.
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Post by talyn82 on Dec 14, 2018 5:50:55 GMT
I love Dorian. Him and I are broski's. If he were to return I'd like to see him as an advisor and not a companion. Like Morrigan and Leliana in DAI. Also unless it's the Inquisitor who is the protagonist, he should not be a LI, so that way those who made him there canon romance will be happy. Like with Morrigan and Leliana.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 14, 2018 7:34:28 GMT
I'd rather not have any of the former companions join the party at all, but if one must, then Dorian would be my preference. I'm not convinced that it will prevent another gay male from being in the party. Devs have stated that previously romanceable characters will not be romanceable again, so his sexuality shouldn't be relevant. I mean that's out the window if Inquisitor is back as protagonist. Dear god let it not be so... I just want new gay dudes in the franchise, and not be stuck with JUST DORIAN for another 10 years. If Dorian has a lot of presence in DA4, I'm worried he'll bump out another gay male character from the roster. Two gay guys in one video game? What? What is that? Is that real? Could it be?
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 14, 2018 16:10:08 GMT
Let me quote from this Inquisition Interview.
"PC Gamer: Fair enough. What is your criteria for determining which characters do come back? Actually, not simply from the dead, but I mean from game to game. Why would Varric make the cut and not somebody else? Mark Darrah: That's a good question. Some of it's based on just what the writers are excited about writing.
But also, we look for a certain amount of balance between the character. There's a bunch of things that we're trying to do for balance.
You want a certain degree of balance between the classes. You want a certain amount of balance between the genders and then a certain amount of balance between the romance options.
If you've had a character in a previous game that was a romance option typically we won't bring them back because they carry a lot of extra baggage with them. You're not going to have a romance option come back and certainly not have them be a romance option again because there's a lot of baggage that comes with that. The player might get angry as well. “But they're in love with my previous character forever and ever and ever. How dare you?”
I think there's validity to that. You can start to cross off a few characters because of that.
We often don't bring back characters, at least not as followers, if they were previously romance options.
You might see them. Alistair comes back because we can do cameos and have them have an influence on the story.
But additionally, some characters, Varric's a very good character because one of Varric's primary motivations is he's the guy that's got your back. He's your friend. He's a very good character to have because it's good to have someone in your camp no matter what. That makes him a very attractive character. It makes him an interesting character to have because he offers a nice counterpoint to a lot of other kinds of characters.
The other thing that causes us to bring someone back is someone that we're just simply not done with. That the arc is incomplete.
Isabella between Origins and Dragon Age 2 is a good example of that. We introduced her, but there's just a lot more to be done with that.
That's actually usually how we choose. Often characters move. We don't reuse followers very often. Obviously, we are reusing Varric.
We typically promote secondary characters between games. PC Gamer: Right, so someone graduates from being a quest-giving NPC to being a companion. Mark Darrah: Yes. "
www.pcgamer.com/dragon-age-inquisition-interview-on-fan-feedback-romance-returning-characters-and-the-open-world/2/
First Cole came original from the Asunder novel so why this time someone from the Comics? Second Mae comic adventure is finished so its not that important for DA 4. Third you didn´t need to know Mae from the comics everything that is from significance is DAI and Trespasser.
Why? She is always alive and has only fate that with the Inquisition. The player could only flirt with her but that will lead to nothing. No i don´t think the Vivienne dialogue change that. In my personal opinion she would be the perfect candicate for a companion. She fits easy in every possible world state.
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 14, 2018 16:35:38 GMT
Let me quote from this Inquisition Interview.
"PC Gamer: Fair enough. What is your criteria for determining which characters do come back? Actually, not simply from the dead, but I mean from game to game. Why would Varric make the cut and not somebody else? Mark Darrah: That's a good question. Some of it's based on just what the writers are excited about writing.
But also, we look for a certain amount of balance between the character. There's a bunch of things that we're trying to do for balance.
You want a certain degree of balance between the classes. You want a certain amount of balance between the genders and then a certain amount of balance between the romance options.
If you've had a character in a previous game that was a romance option typically we won't bring them back because they carry a lot of extra baggage with them. You're not going to have a romance option come back and certainly not have them be a romance option again because there's a lot of baggage that comes with that. The player might get angry as well. “But they're in love with my previous character forever and ever and ever. How dare you?”
I think there's validity to that. You can start to cross off a few characters because of that.
We often don't bring back characters, at least not as followers, if they were previously romance options.
You might see them. Alistair comes back because we can do cameos and have them have an influence on the story.
But additionally, some characters, Varric's a very good character because one of Varric's primary motivations is he's the guy that's got your back. He's your friend. He's a very good character to have because it's good to have someone in your camp no matter what. That makes him a very attractive character. It makes him an interesting character to have because he offers a nice counterpoint to a lot of other kinds of characters.
The other thing that causes us to bring someone back is someone that we're just simply not done with. That the arc is incomplete.
Isabella between Origins and Dragon Age 2 is a good example of that. We introduced her, but there's just a lot more to be done with that.
That's actually usually how we choose. Often characters move. We don't reuse followers very often. Obviously, we are reusing Varric.
We typically promote secondary characters between games. PC Gamer: Right, so someone graduates from being a quest-giving NPC to being a companion. Mark Darrah: Yes. "
www.pcgamer.com/dragon-age-inquisition-interview-on-fan-feedback-romance-returning-characters-and-the-open-world/2/
First Cole came original from the Asunder novel so why this time someone from the Comics? Second Mae comic adventure is finished so its not that important for DA 4. Third you didn´t need to know Mae from the comics everything that is from significance is DAI and Trespasser.
Why? She is always alive and has only fate that with the Inquisition. The player could only flirt with her but that will lead to nothing. No i don´t think the Vivienne dialogue change that. In my personal opinion she would be the perfect candicate for a companion. She fits easy in every possible world state.
You do realize your arguing the same point for no reason for harding right?
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Post by phoray on Dec 14, 2018 21:15:43 GMT
This is like the "we don't want Dorian thread." It'd be more interesting to guess which Secondary Characters would be most likely. No one suspects the Bartender at Herald's rest?
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 14, 2018 21:47:17 GMT
This is like the "we don't want Dorian thread." It'd be more interesting to guess which Secondary Characters would be most likely. No one suspects the Bartender at Herald's rest? Noooo I'm fine with Dorian! Just... don't want too much of him, not to the point he is more important than a new gay male character ya feel? And speaking of Secondary Characters HIM
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 14, 2018 22:58:30 GMT
No one suspects the Bartender at Herald's rest? I love Cabot! But he's clearly too busy not judging... much.
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Post by phoray on Dec 14, 2018 23:07:13 GMT
This is like the "we don't want Dorian thread." It'd be more interesting to guess which Secondary Characters would be most likely. No one suspects the Bartender at Herald's rest? Noooo I'm fine with Dorian! Just... don't want too much of him, not to the point he is more important than a new gay male character ya feel? And speaking of Secondary Characters HIM That looks like somebody on the Storm Coast?
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Post by leadintea on Dec 14, 2018 23:20:04 GMT
Noooo I'm fine with Dorian! Just... don't want too much of him, not to the point he is more important than a new gay male character ya feel? And speaking of Secondary Characters HIM That looks like somebody on the Storm Coast? I think it's Voth (was that his name?) from Sutherland's company.
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Post by aesir on Dec 14, 2018 23:26:21 GMT
Definetly not a companion, as an adviser like Josephine highly unlikely, maybe he will help out the inquisitor in some tevinder quest line.
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Post by Cybear on Dec 14, 2018 23:38:33 GMT
I'd put money on him being in the game, likely as an important NPC or in a role similar to the advisors. Honestly I'm not a fan of bringing previous companions over from prior games (sorry all Varric fans), and I would rather see the companion roster be filled with characters we don't know, or who were minor NPCs in earlier games.
That said, I would be a bit surprised if Dorian had nothing to do with the game. (Also a little disappointed, because I want to see that fabulous mustache updated with new graphics.)
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Post by General Mahad on Dec 15, 2018 3:07:39 GMT
Hell yes, and I to see him leading one of the factions in the civil war.
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Post by Blaze on Dec 15, 2018 9:37:28 GMT
you mean the iron bull? =P No. yes! =D
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 15, 2018 11:55:51 GMT
I assume if all the criteria are met for this then Dorian would possibly refer to Iron Bull as his romantic partner if he trusts the new PC. However, they would not devote time to actually showing Iron Bull for the simple reason that in many play-throughs he is dead or never recruited. Even the Trespasser epilogue where they are in a relationship states that Dorian can't actually admit to it in Tevinter, which is hardly surprising given Iron Bull's original status with the Qun and the state of conflict between the two nations. So it is possible they will only refer to Dorian's romantic partner if it is actually the Inquisitor and otherwise leave it as something that is not relevant to the current plot. That way previous players can headcanon anything they like.
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