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Post by wright1978 on Aug 29, 2020 20:28:01 GMT
No i expect him as a faction contact/important NPC or whatever the alternative they come up with instead of Advisors. So why is he shown in his action concept art with two characters which seem to be companions? Who says those are companions
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 29, 2020 20:29:35 GMT
No i expect him as a faction contact/important NPC or whatever the alternative they come up with instead of Advisors. So why is he shown in his action concept art with two characters which seem to be companions? We had a quest with Leliana in DAi, and she wasn't a companion. Could be that. Also the devs said these concept arts were mainly about mood, not necessarily things or people that will be in the game and even if they are they might be changed significantly.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 29, 2020 20:36:14 GMT
So why is he shown in his action concept art with two characters which seem to be companions? Who says those are companions Well we see a female hero alongside three other characters who are following her A typicial party concept art for a action scene if you ask me.
We had a quest with Leliana in DAi, and she wasn't a companion. Could be that. Also the devs said these concept arts were mainly about mood, not necessarily things or people that will be in the game and even if they are they might be changed significantly. Maybe but Dorian appears to be more as background character in this scene then a character which is featured more prominent because its their personal quest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 6:01:10 GMT
Just off the top of my head, isn't Varric the only character to be a companion in more than one DA title? So it would seem that the odds are against Dorian as a party member/companion, but between the Tevinter focus and what appears to be Dorian in some of the new concept art it seems overwhelmingly likely he'll be involved somehow, and likely in a not-insignificant capacity.
One of my favorite characters in DAI, so I'm good with that, and if he ends up being a full party member then all the better. But I probably won't be holding my breath on that one.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 30, 2020 6:11:26 GMT
Just off the top of my head, isn't Varric the only character to be a companion in more than one DA title? So it would seem that the odds are against Dorian as a party member/companion, but between the Tevinter focus and what appears to be Dorian in some of the new concept art it seems overwhelmingly likely he'll be involved somehow, and likely in a not-insignificant capacity. One of my favorite characters in DAI, so I'm good with that, and if he ends up being a full party member then all the better. But I probably won't be holding my breath on that one. Depends on how you regard the Awakening expansion, I guess?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 6:18:45 GMT
Just off the top of my head, isn't Varric the only character to be a companion in more than one DA title? So it would seem that the odds are against Dorian as a party member/companion, but between the Tevinter focus and what appears to be Dorian in some of the new concept art it seems overwhelmingly likely he'll be involved somehow, and likely in a not-insignificant capacity. One of my favorite characters in DAI, so I'm good with that, and if he ends up being a full party member then all the better. But I probably won't be holding my breath on that one. Depends on how you regard the Awakening expansion, I guess? Yeah, fair point, since its sort of halfway between a DLC and a separate entry (bigger than your typical DLC/expansion, but not so big as a stand-alone game). But either way, a character being a full party member for more than one DA title is the exception not the rule so far, so totally possible, but not especially probable. And I won't be overly disappointed if he's not a full party member- I like Dorian, but new characters are always good too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 6:24:00 GMT
* unless the new characters suck, of course, but that's not a huge concern for me... whatever else may be going on- problems with the ending (ME3), the antagonist (DAI), bugginess (ME:A, and basically every BW game ever)- Bioware is usually very solid on their characters (and voice acting)
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 30, 2020 8:16:52 GMT
I loved Dorian in DAI but I really don't want him taking up a companion slot in DA4. I've always seen him as more of a link advisor character or recruiter of some sort for missions, than an actual companion. That seems to be the role he plays in the comic series; he gives the main characters a task to perform but doesn't get involved beyond that. By the end of Trespasser, Dorian is extremely powerful both in the magic he can perform and also regarding his position in the world. He is now a fully fledged Magister and co-founder of a major faction in the Magisterium. That for me does not qualify him for a party that is exploring what it is like not to have power. The same comment also applies to Maevaris.
With regard to the social power aspect, the only way Dorian or Maevaris be regarded to have become powerless is if they were stripped of their rank in the Magisterium and lost all their wealth owing to the conquest of Qarinus by the Qunari. Now Dorian has experienced having to cope without money or rank when in the south, so that would be nothing new to him, but it might be interesting to explore how Maevaris would cope when confronted with this. So it is possible that could be the plot hook that brings her into the team.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 30, 2020 15:06:45 GMT
He is the only previous companion from Inquisition that seems the most likely.
For what it's worth, him as a companion is a top choice out of returning companions, which ive heard of potential fan theories for Fenris, Isabella, Zevran, and Morrigan.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 30, 2020 16:05:56 GMT
He is the only previous companion from Inquisition that seems the most likely. Dorian main problem to be a DA 4 companion is that he was a former romance. Maybe Mark Darrah changed his mind but this was his thinking prior to DAI release.
"PC Gamer: Fair enough. What is your criteria for determining which characters do come back? Actually, not simply from the dead, but I mean from game to game. Why would Varric make the cut and not somebody else?
Mark Darrah: That's a good question. Some of it's based on just what the writers are excited about writing. But also, we look for a certain amount of balance between the character. There's a bunch of things that we're trying to do for balance. You want a certain degree of balance between the classes. You want a certain amount of balance between the genders and then a certain amount of balance between the romance options.
If you've had a character in a previous game that was a romance option typically we won't bring them back because they carry a lot of extra baggage with them. You're not going to have a romance option come back and certainly not have them
be a romance option again because there's a lot of baggage that comes with that. The player might get angry as well. “But they're in love with my previous character forever and ever and ever. How dare you?” I think there's validity to that. You can start to cross off a few characters because of that.
We often don't bring back characters, at least not as followers, if they were previously romance options.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 30, 2020 16:12:06 GMT
He is the only previous companion from Inquisition that seems the most likely. Dorian main problem to be a DA 4 companion is that he was a former romance. Maybe Mark Darrah changed his mind but this was his thinking prior to DAI release.
"PC Gamer: Fair enough. What is your criteria for determining which characters do come back? Actually, not simply from the dead, but I mean from game to game. Why would Varric make the cut and not somebody else?
Mark Darrah: That's a good question. Some of it's based on just what the writers are excited about writing. But also, we look for a certain amount of balance between the character. There's a bunch of things that we're trying to do for balance. You want a certain degree of balance between the classes. You want a certain amount of balance between the genders and then a certain amount of balance between the romance options.
If you've had a character in a previous game that was a romance option typically we won't bring them back because they carry a lot of extra baggage with them. You're not going to have a romance option come back and certainly not have them
be a romance option again because there's a lot of baggage that comes with that. The player might get angry as well. “But they're in love with my previous character forever and ever and ever. How dare you?” I think there's validity to that. You can start to cross off a few characters because of that.
We often don't bring back characters, at least not as followers, if they were previously romance options.
True, though the word 'typically' gives the possibility of a return. It could also be a situation where Dorian as a romance is just closed off in 4, similar to Zevran was supposed to be in Dragon Age 2 if it wasn't bugged and he was romanced by the Warden. I think a flag for that in character creation or world state can be a fair go-around. It may be unlikely though.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 30, 2020 16:19:18 GMT
It could also be a situation where Dorian as a romance is just closed off in 4, similar to Zevran was supposed to be in Dragon Age 2 if it wasn't bugged and he was romanced by the Warden. I think a flag for that in character creation or world state can be a fair go-around. Sorry but what?!? Zevran was atleast for my knowledge Zevran never intended to be a DA 2 companion. Bioware only played with Velanna or Nathaniel but scrapped them for Anders & Justice.
I personal believe more in that Harding is a DA 4 companion rather than Dorian because form same interview Mark Darrah said that they prefer to promote secondary characters between games.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Aug 30, 2020 16:28:28 GMT
Necroposting i know but i don´t want to make a new one. So is Dorian back as companion? I thought that Bioware don´t like to bring former companion back who were romance options. I’m not sure that’s Dorian, why would he have a rapier?
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 30, 2020 16:32:58 GMT
It could also be a situation where Dorian as a romance is just closed off in 4, similar to Zevran was supposed to be in Dragon Age 2 if it wasn't bugged and he was romanced by the Warden. I think a flag for that in character creation or world state can be a fair go-around. Sorry but what?!? Zevran was atleast for my knowledge Zevran never intended to be a DA 2 companion. Bioware only played with Velanna or Nathaniel but scrapped them for Anders & Justice.
I personal believe more in that Harding is a DA 4 companion rather than Dorian because form same interview Mark Darrah said that they prefer to promote secondary characters between games.
I was talking about Zevran being present in 2 and being non-romancable if you romanced the Warden. Not about him being a companions That could be a tactic used to justify an inclusion of Dorian, even as a companion. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 30, 2020 16:41:05 GMT
I’m not sure that’s Dorian, why would he have a rapier? Maybe to made him look more than a pirate or this isn´t Dorian but this male rogue guy on the left?
But i don´t know this underwater guy looks very much like Dorian.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Aug 30, 2020 16:53:08 GMT
I’m not sure that’s Dorian, why would he have a rapier? Maybe to made him look more than a pirate or this isn´t Dorian but this male rogue guy on the left?
But i don´t know this underwater guy looks very much like Dorian.
Yeah I think it’s the same guy, from the way he’s dressed he may be our Antivan Crow companion.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 30, 2020 17:06:46 GMT
Yeah I think it’s the same guy, from the way he’s dressed he may be our Antivan Crow companion. Well the underwater guy has a different moustache than the rogue guy. Also this moustache is much similar to Dorian Trespasser epilogue pic.
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Post by General Mahad on Aug 30, 2020 18:43:24 GMT
I’m fairly sure that Dorian will be a major ally in the same way and function Morrigan was in DA:I. Not in the party per se, but definitely a critical companion.
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Post by NotN7 on Aug 30, 2020 21:46:25 GMT
He is the only previous companion from Inquisition that seems the most likely. Dorian main problem to be a DA 4 companion is that he was a former romance. Maybe Mark Darrah changed his mind but this was his thinking prior to DAI release.
"PC Gamer: Fair enough. What is your criteria for determining which characters do come back? Actually, not simply from the dead, but I mean from game to game. Why would Varric make the cut and not somebody else?
Mark Darrah: That's a good question. Some of it's based on just what the writers are excited about writing. But also, we look for a certain amount of balance between the character. There's a bunch of things that we're trying to do for balance. You want a certain degree of balance between the classes. You want a certain amount of balance between the genders and then a certain amount of balance between the romance options.
If you've had a character in a previous game that was a romance option typically we won't bring them back because they carry a lot of extra baggage with them. You're not going to have a romance option come back and certainly not have them
be a romance option again because there's a lot of baggage that comes with that. The player might get angry as well. “But they're in love with my previous character forever and ever and ever. How dare you?” I think there's validity to that. You can start to cross off a few characters because of that.
We often don't bring back characters, at least not as followers, if they were previously romance options.
Sorry but look at it this way, regardless if you romanced him or not Dorian still gives the Inquisitor a communication crystal, take it for what its worth they are both connected as friends or lovers
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 30, 2020 22:11:08 GMT
Sorry but look at it this way, regardless if you romanced him or not Dorian still gives the Inquisitor a communication crystal, take it for what its worth they are both connected as friends or lovers Well if the player have punch Dorian well the Inquisitor and Dorian aren´t really connected because Dorian refused to give him / her the crystal then.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Sept 2, 2020 11:33:21 GMT
Necroposting i know but i don´t want to make a new one. So is Dorian back as companion? I thought that Bioware don´t like to bring former companion back who were romance options. Honestly I'm not so sure that is Dorian. He has a sword and looks like he is wearing Crow armour. It's got thoses distinctive arm and leg plates, and the the skirt bit. Until people started saying it on the forums it didn't even occur to me that it could be Dorian. I figured it was Illario or Lucanis Dellamorte, or some new Crow. Regardless I'm sure Dorian will be in DA4. I'm more inclined to guess adviser type, but even then we may still have him come along on a quest or two, much as other npcs do in previous games.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 2, 2020 12:28:23 GMT
Regardless I'm sure Dorian will be in DA4. I'm more inclined to guess adviser type, but even then we may still have him come along on a quest or two, much as other npcs do in previous games. This is likely how he will be involved. He crops up in the comic as a contact with the Inquisition in Tevinter, telling agents what needs to be done and checking other people out. It is also apparent from Inquisition that he has connections with a lot of places featured in both the concept art and Tevinter Nights. He was a member of the Circle in Vyrantium (announced at Imperial Ball) He was also a member of the Circle in Minrathous (probably something automatic on becoming fully fledged mage), also the Magisterium His family seat is/was in Qarinus/Ventus His mentor, Alexius, was from Asariel (biography in WoT2) He has visited Weisshaupt (a comment he makes in the Exalted Plains after I think you pick up a Warden banner) He has visited the Grand Necropolis in Nevarra (conversation with Cassandra) He would have passed close to the Silent Plains on the Imperial Highway as he journeyed south. So not only does he probably have contacts in all of these places but could fill the PC in on them before a mission. That would leave only Seheron (if we go there) and Antiva (if we go there) and Kal'Sharok (has anyone been there who doesn't come from there?) where he does not have first hand experience. However, that doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't have contacts with people who come from these places.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jan 17, 2023 21:22:20 GMT
Thread Necro but Dorian is a necromancer so no big deal. Just kidding let´s hope that we will see more of Dorian this year. He deserves it so much more to narrate a trailer about Tevinter than Varric all over again. Maybe also his own comic series?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 18, 2023 8:34:38 GMT
Maybe also his own comic series? It may not be relevant and just the writers using a familiar name but it is curious that the creator of the Circullum in Absolution was said to be a Pavus. This would suggest that Dorian's interest in Necromancy was not something unique to him but possibly a family tradition. Thus, anything connected with the Mortalitassi of Nevarra could involve him. I wonder also about the Crucious Stone mentioned in the blurb for the latest comic series. Is it an ancient elven artifact? What does it do? Since the Pavus family seat is in Qarinus/Ventus, could they have any connection to it? After all, it is possible that many artifacts were plundered from that area during the conquest of the elven city there in ancient times. Dorian seemed particularly apologetic for what was done to the elves there. Was that general guilt because he is from Tevinter or the awareness that his family were involved?
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Post by fairdragon on Jan 18, 2023 10:04:50 GMT
that the creator of the Circullum in Absolution was said to be a Pavus. This is the sign for me that we will definitely see Dorian in DAD. The only way i can see him in the game, is as faction contact. At some point in the story we have to communicate with the individual factions. I can see Dorian beeing such a contact to the Tevinter ministry. As for Companions. We have so far 2-4 returning Characters from books, comics and games. I hope for 2 less is better for this game. I would like: - Autumn - Calpernia
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