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Post by andy_3_913 on Oct 15, 2016 9:50:32 GMT
...the Quarian Marksman.
Does that make me a bad person?
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Post by stephenw32768 on Oct 15, 2016 9:58:59 GMT
He's the most difficult quarian to play in my experience: he's squishy, has no crowd control, and no useful stagger power because Sabotage competes with Marksman.
He's good with a cyclonic and an Adas. Given the lack of recoil and the lore-friendliness, the Adas feels so right on him that it's almost as if the character and the weapon were designed around each other.
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Post by Filippopotame on Oct 15, 2016 10:37:40 GMT
Seriously he's fun with tons of weapons : indra, saber, talon, raider, pyranha...
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Post by Deerber on Oct 15, 2016 10:40:24 GMT
Yes. Kinda. There's worst.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 10:52:26 GMT
I'm not going to judge until I know what your opinions on the Turian Soldier are, OP
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Post by andy_3_913 on Oct 15, 2016 10:56:56 GMT
Oh dear. I should go Nah, I'm not going
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Post by andy_3_913 on Oct 15, 2016 10:57:55 GMT
I'm not going to judge until I know what your opinions on the Turian Soldier are, OP Better than the Quarian Marksman?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 11:05:41 GMT
I'm with you on that one. I wouldn't say I Hate the character, but there is absolutely no reason to play this guy when there's the Turian Soldier readily available. You can absolutely make him work and have some fun, but the fun would be so much greater with the Turian. The problem with Sabotage Use preventing the use of Marksman has already been mentioned. I solved that problem for myself by speccing out of Sabotage and centering the Marksman around a specific gun I'll only play on that character alone. I like to play him with the Indra as a main weapon and the Talon as a backup for when enemies get too close. Although he also works with the Talon as main weapon and f.e. the Falcon as a Phantom-staggering sidearm. @ttt: I personally love the Turian Soldier! Give him a main gun like the BPP, Hurricane, Eagle, Tempest or Locust and the Adas specifically as an Anti-Phantom-Gun and go shooting heads all day
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Post by Darth Dennis on Oct 15, 2016 11:11:57 GMT
I sometimes put the Vindicator on him. For Silver. It wouldn't be very good on Gold compared to most characters, though.
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Post by stephenw32768 on Oct 15, 2016 11:31:53 GMT
I'm with you on that one. I wouldn't say I Hate the character, but there is absolutely no reason to play this guy when there's the Turian Soldier readily available. Well, he's somewhat more mobile than the TSol and has a dodge. Personally, I prefer the speedier quarians over the slower-but-tankier turians, but that's just me. It depends on whether you're happy to trade all the TSol's advantages for a bit of extra mobility. I sometimes put the Vindicator on him. For Silver. It wouldn't be very good on Gold compared to most characters, though. If you like the Vindicator in Silver, you can use the same playstyle with the Valkyrie in Gold. 3x headshot multiplier, plus Marksman's headshot multiplier, plus a Targeting VI; headshot geth and Cerberus all day long Of course, a TSol can do all that too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 11:54:49 GMT
I sometimes put the Vindicator on him. For Silver. It wouldn't be very good on Gold compared to most characters, though. If you like the Vindicator in Silver, you can use the same playstyle with the Valkyrie in Gold. 3x headshot multiplier, plus Marksman's headshot multiplier, plus a Targeting VI; headshot geth and Cerberus all day long Of course, a TSol can do all that too. Definitely. I personally don't like burst-fire or "constant-clicking" weapons (like the Mattock or Raptor) with Marksman, just feels extremely tiresome and awkward to me. I reserve the Turian Sentinel for guns like the Valkyrie, Argus or Vindicator.
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Post by Aetika on Oct 15, 2016 12:06:16 GMT
I will be eternaly boggled why they gave him sabotage with its insanely long cool down. I tried using all three powers on him few times but eventually I just got rid of sabotage and play him with Typhoon. Works just fine.
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Post by stephenw32768 on Oct 15, 2016 12:17:13 GMT
I will be eternaly boggled why they gave him sabotage with its insanely long cool down. I tried using all three powers on him few times but eventually I just got rid of sabotage and play him with Typhoon. Works just fine. I keep three ranks in Sabotage and use it very situationally to tame Turrets. Other than that, it seems of little use. But hey, it makes him easy to build. Imagine if he'd had a grenade power instead; choosing how to build him would have been a lot more difficult.
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Post by Shinobu on Oct 15, 2016 12:19:57 GMT
Waves completed with the TSol: 2310 (not counting all the waves played after finishing TSol waves but before flipping Commando Mastery)
Waves completed with the Marksman: 200 (as in, I finished his silver challenge and never played him again)
So it's not just you.
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Oct 15, 2016 12:20:36 GMT
He should've had some kind of grenade (maybe frags) instead of Sabotage.
And while he can dodge (which is a pretty big thing when stuff like Banshees/Phantoms come into play) he has lower shields than the Turian, lower carrying capacity, no stability bonuses and no crowd control, which means he has to shoot every husk, he has no tool against swarmers, he can't force Phantom bubble either. He completely and utterly depends on his weapon and pure firepower.
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Oct 15, 2016 12:21:50 GMT
I will be eternaly boggled why they gave him sabotage with its insanely long cool down. I tried using all three powers on him few times but eventually I just got rid of sabotage and play him with Typhoon. Works just fine. I keep three ranks in Sabotage and use it very situationally to tame Turrets. Other than that, it seems of little use. But hey, it makes him easy to build. Imagine if he'd had a grenade power instead; choosing how to build him would have been a lot more difficult. Not really. If he had grenades, he would not need 6 points in fitness.
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Post by Deerber on Oct 15, 2016 12:52:39 GMT
I'm with you on that one. I wouldn't say I Hate the character, but there is absolutely no reason to play this guy when there's the Turian Soldier readily available.
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Post by Deerber on Oct 15, 2016 13:06:09 GMT
He should've had some kind of grenade (maybe frags) instead of Sabotage. And while he can dodge (which is a pretty big thing when stuff like Banshees/Phantoms come into play) he has lower shields than the Turian, lower carrying capacity, no stability bonuses and no crowd control, which means he has to shoot every husk, he has no tool against swarmers, he can't force Phantom bubble either. He completely and utterly depends on his weapon and pure firepower. If he had frags he'd be super OP. I agree that a different power would have been better tho, yeah. As for the last lines, you're spot on. And that is the bad, but also the beauty of him. It forces you to adopt a very unique playstyle, which takes a lot of patience and commitment to develop, not to mention mopping the floor so much. But when you finally get the hang of it... It's a real satisfaction. There's some weird but beautiful feeling to playing him with a Saber and relying pretty much only on your aim to get headshots and your situational awareness to relocate when necessary to survive. I urge anyone who hasn't given him a thorough try to do it, and keep going even after they surely die so many times, as it will make them twice as good a player as they were before.
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Post by Clyde on Oct 15, 2016 13:14:40 GMT
On topic: I like him because the risk/reward factor is massive. However, he is fatally flawed in that not only is he terribly weapon (and aim) dependent, but the Turian Soldier does everything he does, but better: more weapon damage, better passives overall, a quicker debuff and he has a stagger, none of which the Quarksman has. The Quarian Markmsan should've been better in some ways. I don't like the grenade idea, but his powers need help, and his passives don't resemble a Marksman, they're the same as everyone else's.
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Post by stephenw32768 on Oct 15, 2016 13:28:39 GMT
his passives don't resemble a Marksman, they're the same as everyone else's. They're a bit better than the other quarians, he gets the same weapon damage bonuses as the Armiger turians. Some stability and a 30% headshot bonus would have been good though. His fitness tree defies logic though, I can only assume that it's bugged and he should have had the same fitness as the other male quarians.
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Post by DistigousForest on Oct 15, 2016 13:44:48 GMT
his passives don't resemble a Marksman, they're the same as everyone else's. They're a bit better than the other quarians, he gets the same weapon damage bonuses as the Armiger turians. Some stability and a 30% headshot bonus would have been good though. His fitness tree defies logic though, I can only assume that it's bugged and he should have had the same fitness as the other male quarians. I thought he was supposed to have more than all the others and Bioware done goofed and gave him less and never fixed it. He would also wreck more if TS headshot bonus worked. Typhoon or Saber with drill rounds are pretty damn good on him in my experience
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Oct 15, 2016 13:45:40 GMT
his passives don't resemble a Marksman, they're the same as everyone else's. They're a bit better than the other quarians, he gets the same weapon damage bonuses as the Armiger turians. Some stability and a 30% headshot bonus would have been good though. His fitness tree defies logic though, I can only assume that it's bugged and he should have had the same fitness as the other male quarians. It IS bugged. Well not bugged per-se, but an oversight from the devs.
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Post by Dovahkiin N7 on Oct 15, 2016 13:56:33 GMT
Somebody page QMR/Xen. XD
No I don't play him either. But he can kill things. I Skip or put only 3 points in sabotage for stunning and killing mooks.
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Oct 15, 2016 13:58:27 GMT
Somebody page QMR/Xen. XD No I don't play him either. But he can kill things. I Skip or put only 3 points in sabotage for stunning and killing mooks. Xen will go nuts when/if she sees this thread. Can't wait. Always her rants.
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