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Post by eliscous on Dec 27, 2018 15:07:44 GMT
In the good destroy ending, Shep lives. My question: whre did he /she can be found? She/( he was on the catalyst/ Citadel when everything explose so where did he /she crashed? On earth? How can he / she survive? The catalyst was in Orbit around earth.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 27, 2018 15:13:44 GMT
Shepard is on the Citadel during the breath scene
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Post by ahglock on Dec 27, 2018 15:25:05 GMT
Yup the citadel. From the pictures it’s not completely destroyed and orbiting earth. My guess is he’s still in the secret control room until they find him or he pulls himself out.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 27, 2018 21:10:10 GMT
If you are on PC you can add the MEHEM mod and actually see Shepard get rescued. Well, hear it, but Shepard is aboard the Citadel rubble.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 27, 2018 22:47:05 GMT
If you are on PC you can add the MEHEM mod and actually see Shepard get rescued. Well, hear it, but Shepard is aboard the Citadel rubble. Not a fan of it overall but it does solve that issue.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 28, 2018 6:38:40 GMT
If you are on PC you can add the MEHEM mod and actually see Shepard get rescued. Well, hear it, but Shepard is aboard the Citadel rubble. Not a fan of it overall but it does solve that issue. Whereas I love it. Shepard can be reunited with the LI. To me, that's better.
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Post by eliscous on Dec 28, 2018 8:32:52 GMT
Thank you all for your replies. It was not very clear for me what really happen after the death of TIM in term of localisation. If Shep is still in orbit around earth, it will be not really easy to save him but it's Shep
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Post by eliscous on Dec 28, 2018 8:34:00 GMT
If you are on PC you can add the MEHEM mod and actually see Shepard get rescued. Well, hear it, but Shepard is aboard the Citadel rubble. Where can I found this mod? On nexusmod? Is it easy to install? I am not used with mod for ME.
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Post by eliscous on Dec 28, 2018 8:34:57 GMT
Not a fan of it overall but it does solve that issue. Whereas I love it. Shepard can be reunited with the LI. To me, that's better. So cute and nice, I must try that !!!
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 28, 2018 16:43:59 GMT
If you are on PC you can add the MEHEM mod and actually see Shepard get rescued. Well, hear it, but Shepard is aboard the Citadel rubble. Where can I found this mod? On nexusmod? Is it easy to install? I am not used with mod for ME. NexusMods and very easy to install. It's a matter of dropping one folder into another. Not like Frostbite that makes you jump through hoops.
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Earth. The concrete slabs in the background, wind howling, rebar, and the angle which the camera pans suggests you are found on a hill of sorts. The hill when you were running towards the beam would be telling.
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Thank you :-) and a happy new year !!!
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Post by griffith82 on Jan 12, 2019 16:42:43 GMT
I've never used MEHEM but I do use the extended Anderson conversation. I can't fathom why they cut that.
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Still baffled that people still somehow consider this the 'good' ending. Destroy is the renegade option, hence it's colored red. Destroying the Reapers comes at the cost of exterminating countless millions of Geth in a single genocidal event, and who knows what other sentient AIs inhabit the galaxy, undiscovered by the council races.
I use MEHEM myself, but I'm always surprised at how many people make the Destroy choice in the default red/blue/green ending.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 21, 2019 16:21:48 GMT
Still baffled that people still somehow consider this the 'good' ending. Destroy is the renegade option, hence it's colored red. Destroying the Reapers comes at the cost of exterminating countless millions of Geth in a single genocidal event, and who knows what other sentient AIs inhabit the galaxy, undiscovered by the council races. I use MEHEM myself, but I'm always surprised at how many people make the Destroy choice in the default red/blue/green ending. [Apologies in advance for my wall of text]
JAM is better than MEHEM. Cuts out a lot of unnecessary stuff, including added voice acting.
Destroy is the best option to remove even a hint of potential Reaper threat. They're so overwhelmingly powerful that there's no reason to assume they might not find other reasons to try to dominate the lesser races. I just don't trust them. That's not even touching on the Revenge aspect for the countless (by which I mean the number exceeds what can be calculated) deaths they've caused over the last billion years. I've tried to come up with a number (1 billion / 50,000 years = 20,000 cycles) x (number of sentients in each cycle, which has to be in the trillions, if not more). Do you have a real concept of how many deaths they caused? Then the horror of turning people into some form or other into husks and liquefying entire races to make a new Reaper. To be, that's unforgivable and no amount of synthesizing would change my own desire for vengeance over the deaths in the current cycle alone. I doubt there's a single being alive who didn't lose a parent, child, sibling, friend, etc.
Control is creepy. Not sure I can trust a Shepard with unlimited power no matter how good the intentions. Remember, Shepard could potentially have made a lot of Renegade choices, including killing off the rachni and krogan. Could you really trust a Shepified Catalyst/Reaper to not do something similar if there's a perceived threat? Not to mention these things that were just attempting to annihilate us standing watch. No, I wouldn't like that.
Synthesis? Ugh. Too much like a fairy tale of "happily ever after". Have to assume the Catalyst was lying here because it said "the final end of evolution". We all know evolution only ends with death. Read into that what you will. They kind of remind me of husks. Are husks (banshees, cannibals, etc) alive?
Refuse. Well, I think removing all life in the galaxy is a poor choice.
As far as the geth go, it looks to me like the made some poor choices. I wonder if you can really even call them geth anymore. The geth were a consensus, not individuals. Once you change that, they've evolved significantly to be another race entirely. Do they deserve to die? Probably not. Is that death a consequence of their decision to incorporate Reaper Tech into them? Yes. I'm only sad about EDI but she made it clear she was quite willing to die to stop the Reapers. So was everyone who fought them. That scene on Earth was when I saw her truly come alive. "But they have destroyed this one. Nor will they." She also mentions that Shepard's influence changed things for her, made her in that moment fully alive for the first time. EDI had been evolving ever since Joker freed her but she only really became human in that moment. And for all that, she was willing to fight to the death. She had no choice in having Reaper tech as a part of her, from her original creation (TIM combined the rogue VI with leftovers of Sovereign) to assuming Dr. Eva's body. Yet, she wasn't afraid to fight side-by-side with humans to fight Reaper forces. She was my regret, just as I regretted Thane and Mordin's deaths. Sacrifice is what it's all about. The geth weren't willing to do so, really only having their own interests in mind.
So, yeah, Destroy all the way. I know others argue that other endings are better but I can't tolerate them. I think I could have saved the geth consensus - the ones who were wronged by the quarians - but not the Reaper upgraded version of geth.
That's my viewpoint. I'm curious to hear what choices you made and why. Sometimes it's illuminating to hear other viewpoints, even if I don't agree with them.
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Post by ergates on Feb 21, 2019 20:30:46 GMT
Very enjoyable post, thanks. I'm too tired right now to write anything in return about choices I made, having just finished a long shift at work and getting home pretty late - but will try to come up with something tomorrow if time allows.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 22, 2019 2:37:05 GMT
Very enjoyable post, thanks. I'm too tired right now to write anything in return about choices I made, having just finished a long shift at work and getting home pretty late - but will try to come up with something tomorrow if time allows. Eh, you don't really have to come up with something. More like curiosity. Tbh, a lot how I feel about it and why I made my choices has evolved over the three years I've been playing. Plus, I've been on this forum discussing these things for a while. Some of my reasons are from an emotional standpoint. For example, my very first reason is that I wanted High EMS Destroy because it was the only way Shepard could survive. My reasons grew over time.
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Post by opuspace on Feb 22, 2019 4:55:01 GMT
Still baffled that people still somehow consider this the 'good' ending. Destroy is the renegade option, hence it's colored red. Destroying the Reapers comes at the cost of exterminating countless millions of Geth in a single genocidal event, and who knows what other sentient AIs inhabit the galaxy, undiscovered by the council races. I use MEHEM myself, but I'm always surprised at how many people make the Destroy choice in the default red/blue/green ending. It's not a conflict if one never really valued the Geth as anything more than as additional forces against the Reapers. I hear a lot about the Quarians attacking the Geth and forcing them to ally with the Reapers, but I was never satisfied with the Geth attacking humans on Eden Prime unprovoked. Doesn't help that the heretics were integrated into the rest of the Geth because then it lays them as culpable as the Quarians. So in the end, when push comes to shove, I'm siding with the race that didn't wage war with the rest of the galaxy in ME1 and allied with the Reapers twice.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 22, 2019 5:37:06 GMT
Still baffled that people still somehow consider this the 'good' ending. Destroy is the renegade option, hence it's colored red. Destroying the Reapers comes at the cost of exterminating countless millions of Geth in a single genocidal event, and who knows what other sentient AIs inhabit the galaxy, undiscovered by the council races. I use MEHEM myself, but I'm always surprised at how many people make the Destroy choice in the default red/blue/green ending. It's not a conflict if one never really valued the Geth as anything more than as additional forces against the Reapers. I hear a lot about the Quarians attacking the Geth and forcing them to ally with the Reapers, but I was never satisfied with the Geth attacking humans on Eden Prime unprovoked. Doesn't help that the heretics were integrated into the rest of the Geth because then it lays them as culpable as the Quarians. So in the end, when push comes to shove, I'm siding with the race that didn't wage war with the rest of the galaxy in ME1 and allied with the Reapers twice. By that logic humanity should be wiped out due to the actions of Cerberus.
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Post by opuspace on Feb 22, 2019 5:45:03 GMT
It's not a conflict if one never really valued the Geth as anything more than as additional forces against the Reapers. I hear a lot about the Quarians attacking the Geth and forcing them to ally with the Reapers, but I was never satisfied with the Geth attacking humans on Eden Prime unprovoked. Doesn't help that the heretics were integrated into the rest of the Geth because then it lays them as culpable as the Quarians. So in the end, when push comes to shove, I'm siding with the race that didn't wage war with the rest of the galaxy in ME1 and allied with the Reapers twice. By that logic humanity should be wiped out due to the actions of Cerberus. Same for when people wipe out the Quarians because of Han'Gerrel's actions But the geth aren't like organic races. They're a consensus. They're linked. Their perspectives blend. To treat them like an organic race is, in Legion's own words, benign racism. Even then, for them to stand back while the Heretics were attacking organic races and meeting the Geth VI's personality in place of Legion does not make me want to place them over Quarians who only have a record of attacking Geth as a war.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 12:09:33 GMT
Still baffled that people still somehow consider this the 'good' ending. Destroy is the renegade option, hence it's colored red. Destroying the Reapers comes at the cost of exterminating countless millions of Geth in a single genocidal event, and who knows what other sentient AIs inhabit the galaxy, undiscovered by the council races. I use MEHEM myself, but I'm always surprised at how many people make the Destroy choice in the default red/blue/green ending. As ONE possible ending to the game, it works. All of the endings were constructed with significant downsides. Bioware wanted us to think about consequences. It is constructed as a moral dilemma that offers no perfect solution.
I do take issue with people who want it to be the only possible ending to the game. They want to take away people's ability to choose the others and, in so doing, contemplate the consequences of each... so they march around trumping it as the "good" ending. They lose sight of ME being a "morality game" not a game where right and wrong is supposed to just be told to us.
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Post by eliscous on Feb 22, 2019 12:51:16 GMT
I use the term "good ending" in the sense that your character lives in the end (because for a lot of people it is a good thing but not for all), not in term of "morality". I do agree that there are no perfect endings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 15:27:36 GMT
I use the term "good ending" in the sense that your character lives in the end (because for a lot of people it is a good thing but not for all), not in term of "morality". I do agree that there are no perfect endings.
... and perhaps the character living is one reason why it's the renegade choice. The paragon choice for Ashley or Kaidan back in ME1 was to sacrifice themselves to save the others. Regardless of whether or not Shepard actually lives or dies, it is, in part, a choice to not sacrifice himself/herself to invoke the other options presented.
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