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Post by General Mahad on Aug 22, 2024 2:12:37 GMT
Exactly and also the inverse with Genshin Impact, Honkai, and now Wukong.
More Chinese developers will want to take a bigger slice of the oversea pie due to Western developers failing.
It's going to be interesting to see their gaming industries' reaction to Wukong's success. Western game journos might need to learn some Mandarin and Cantonese. I hope we get to see more Chinese legends and, in time, games about their turbulent 20th century.
Give me WW2 games from the Chinese prospective, it's criminal that there's nothing in the west about that horrific but fascinating theatre of war.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 22, 2024 2:45:49 GMT
It's going to be interesting to see their gaming industries' reaction to Wukong's success. Western game journos might need to learn some Mandarin and Cantonese. I hope we get to see more Chinese legends and, in time, games about their turbulent 20th century.
Give me WW2 games from the Chinese prospective, it's criminal that there's nothing in the west about that horrific but fascinating theatre of war. I doubt you would see a game that is from the Chinese perspective unless you want a product that is even more altered than what you see from the current set of games. Right now one of the things about Chinese development is they have to appease what the Chinese Government wants so any game that is produced there I doubt could do anything but show how innocent the country was during any conflict. (from your other posts) I think how people react to Veilguard is going to also shape how EA and probably other major developers/publishers approach single player games. For what I have been reading it will not have any MP component in the game for it will be not requiring EA Access to run on Steam probably for the Steam Deck and also since it isn't connecting to EA servers I highly suspect that there won't be any MP component.
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Post by General Mahad on Aug 22, 2024 3:15:20 GMT
I hope we get to see more Chinese legends and, in time, games about their turbulent 20th century.
Give me WW2 games from the Chinese prospective, it's criminal that there's nothing in the west about that horrific but fascinating theatre of war. I doubt you would see a game that is from the Chinese perspective unless you want a product that is even more altered than what you see from the current set of games. Right now one of the things about Chinese development is they have to appease what the Chinese Government wants so any game that is produced there I doubt could do anything but show how innocent the country was during any conflict. That's an unfortunate reality and I will admit it. But I would prefer that than never showcasing that conflict to begin with. WW2 games get boring fast because they always take place in either urban/forest Europe and/or tropical pacific Island, maybe with sideshows in Africa.
China, on the other hand, can offer a fresh perspective. You remember how interesting and diverse the aesthetic as well as the weapons were in Battlefield? That was basically China, they were having sword fights between burning blocky tanks while getting bombed by planes carrying bubonic plague ordinance, it was almost WH40K like if you will forgive the cringe.
Really? That's quite fascinating to hear EA is scaling back their SBS and multiplayer. Then again, multiplayer for Inquisition sucked and they already wasted enough money with Veilguard.
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I doubt you would see a game that is from the Chinese perspective unless you want a product that is even more altered than what you see from the current set of games. Right now one of the things about Chinese development is they have to appease what the Chinese Government wants so any game that is produced there I doubt could do anything but show how innocent the country was during any conflict. Which is why the growing influence of China on the gaming industry is a BAD thing. There is no such thing a free creativity there. Everything has to be propaganda. And China will want to push this on the west too. And worse, demand that western games censor certain topics too. This is already a problem with Russia. They ban games that have gay romances and stuff. They constantly ask gay stuff to be removed if a studio wants to sell their game in Russia. I find it funny how the success of Chinese games is celebrated here while at the same time woke games are heavily criticized. It's just a different kind of censorship. If China buys more and more into the Western markets western devs will start to make games for the Chinese audience and not for western audiences anymore. And for China means games the government likes. So that's games made for committee in the worst possible way. Just my two cents on this topic.
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Speaking of numbers, this government funded masterpiece that’s apparently designed to have widespread appeal had a peak player count of….81. Looks like a niche indie game made on a shoestring budget, like all of their previous games.
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Post by General Mahad on Aug 22, 2024 13:23:14 GMT
I doubt you would see a game that is from the Chinese perspective unless you want a product that is even more altered than what you see from the current set of games. Right now one of the things about Chinese development is they have to appease what the Chinese Government wants so any game that is produced there I doubt could do anything but show how innocent the country was during any conflict. Which is why the growing influence of China on the gaming industry is a BAD thing. There is no such thing a free creativity there. Everything has to be propaganda. And China will want to push this on the west too. And worse, demand that western games censor certain topics too. This is already a problem with Russia. They ban games that have gay romances and stuff. They constantly ask gay stuff to be removed if a studio wants to sell their game in Russia. Yeah, that also happens in Arab and Muslim countries. I think it’s hypocritical that game developers and publishers virtue signal to a nauseating extent here in the West but bend the knee to countries where there is state-sponsored oppression. This double standard helps drive gamers to the arms of Chinese developers. Hmm, what to choose? Should I choose awful games made by people who outwardly hate me and have subverted everything I value or decent games made by greedy people who want my money. The choice is difficult, no? Of course, there’s a third solution of selling ownership of beloved studios/ IPs to rich fans. The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia owns SNK but allows them editorial freedom because he loves King of Fighters and wants it to be as glorious as it was in the 1990s.
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OR you could look for small, unknown, indie Dev Studios (like Ember Labs who created KENA Bridge of Spirits) and support them.
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Post by General Mahad on Aug 22, 2024 14:26:20 GMT
Speaking of numbers, this government funded masterpiece that’s apparently designed to have widespread appeal had a peak player count of….81. Looks like a niche indie game made on a shoestring budget, like all of their previous games. In addition to Gamescom, they had the backing/signal boost of the BBC, EU, and reddit yet they couldn’t break 100 peak players. Even with the game going viral, they still couldn’t break that ceiling. It’s a hilarious self-immolation. OR you could look for small, unknown, indie Dev Studios (like Ember Labs who created KENA Bridge of Spirits) and support them. This is also true, but be careful that they don’t end up like Red Thread Games. Research your game developers carefully.
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Which is why the growing influence of China on the gaming industry is a BAD thing. There is no such thing a free creativity there. Everything has to be propaganda. And China will want to push this on the west too. And worse, demand that western games censor certain topics too. This is already a problem with Russia. They ban games that have gay romances and stuff. They constantly ask gay stuff to be removed if a studio wants to sell their game in Russia. Yeah, that also happens in Arab and Muslim countries. I think it’s hypocritical that game developers and publishers virtue signal to a nauseating extent here in the West but bend the knee to countries where there is state-sponsored oppression. This double standard helps drive gamers to the arms of Chinese developers. That is one thing I give to BioWare, if they are putting same-sex relationships in their games they won't remove them for anyone other countries or even players that want a toggle. Inquisition was banned in a handful of countries violating their "obscenity laws" and they didn't change the game to be available for sale in those markets.
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Post by General Mahad on Aug 22, 2024 15:11:46 GMT
Yeah, that also happens in Arab and Muslim countries. I think it’s hypocritical that game developers and publishers virtue signal to a nauseating extent here in the West but bend the knee to countries where there is state-sponsored oppression. This double standard helps drive gamers to the arms of Chinese developers. That is one thing I give to BioWare, if they are putting same-sex relationships in their games they won't remove them for anyone other countries or even players that want a toggle. Inquisition was banned in a handful of countries violating their "obscenity laws" and they didn't change the game to be available for sale in those markets. Damn, I didn’t know that BioWare was that ballsy back then, good for them. Official PS2 Emulator Quietly Being Improved by Sony www.playstationlifestyle.net/2024/08/22/official-ps2-emulator-ps-plus-being-improved/Sony is taking criticism of their emulator and improving it, this is phenomenal given how slow and half-hearted their response usually is.
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Post by Dirk on Aug 22, 2024 18:24:08 GMT
The success of Wukong was great and I enjoy it so far. But the success was not surprising at all. Wukong and the related story, Journey to the West, are a huge cultural phenomenon in East and Southeast Asia. Most adults in those countries grew up hearing those stories and seeing their TV shows. I'm only 1/8 Chinese but still fondly remembers many scenes from Journey to the West TV series from 1996. So, it's good to finally get to experience the stories again in a video game.
Anyway, the game I am looking forward to the most in 2025 is Civilization 7, which was recently announced.
I already spent 1000 hours in Civ VI. I guess I'll say goodbye to my productivity in 2025.
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Post by General Mahad on Aug 23, 2024 17:23:38 GMT
There’s also record sales of PS5s in China, a notoriously difficult market for PlayStation to break into.
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Post by General Mahad on Aug 24, 2024 0:08:03 GMT
Concord just dropped and…see for yourself:
8 years and $66-100 Million later, the game bounced like a dead fish. WTF were Sony thinking, they could have a standalone downscaled Last of us MP game, they could have had Killzone Multiplayer for PS5 with an option for PC later, but no, they decided to invest in Firewalk.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 24, 2024 13:05:39 GMT
Concord just dropped and…see for yourself: 8 years and $66-100 Million later, the game bounced like a dead fish. WTF were Sony thinking, they could have a standalone downscaled Last of us MP game, they could have had Killzone Multiplayer for PS5 with an option for PC later, but no, they decided to invest in Firewalk. It could be fallout from the stupidity of Sony too, all of their new games since the Helldivers 2 incident have been region locked so countries that don't have access to PSN don't have access to any new Sony game. Right now the list as far as I know including Helldivers 2, God of War Ragnarok, Ghost of Tsushima, Until Dawn, and Concord. Until that changes I don't see myself buying another Sony published game for I think they are going to stick the PSN requirement back in one day soon.
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If Sony so desperate for an FPS game, why don't they revive Killzone?
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Post by General Mahad on Aug 24, 2024 14:53:54 GMT
If Sony so desperate for an FPS game, why don't they revive Killzone? Right? I think they believe the franchise is cursed because of its previous failures. I think GG gambled too much on mobile games and hiring Hollywood writers.That being said, Multiplayer was fairly beloved IIRC, at least Killzone 2’s was. Video game journalist from Forbes can’t comprehend why Concord is unpopular. Journalist from the Verge also can’t comprehend:
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 25, 2024 21:41:59 GMT
I suspect it's sincere.
I'm completely out of touch with hype and marketing (mostly intentionally) so the fact that I knew nothing of the game's "gender controversy" until today is probably not typical, especially when it comes to journalists who would be up to speed with the discourse around the game. But that honestly doesn't make it any less surprising how few people are playing it. I think there is a lot to be learned from what happened with it, and asking questions and acknowledging how unusual it is is part of that. It makes sense to examine it forensically.
There can't be only a single explanation for how poorly it's doing. An early guess from me as to the biggest reason is that they probably marketed the game in a way meant to target an audience politically active on social media, rather than an audience engaged with hero shooters. My secondary guess being that it would appear hero shooters aren't necessarily overly popular with the crowd they marketed to - but I'm not sure anyone was necessarily going to know that for sure until someone tried to do it.
Regardless, both camps had a vested interest in seeing the game succeed. The vocal camp that hates when political stuff invades their franchises should have wanted it to succeed to prove new franchises marketed for political consumers can be successful, as should their "opponents." Unless their words are largely empty and they just want to celebrate the failure of anyone they disagree with (which I'm starting to suspect is the case with many.)
Regardless of one's political views or tastes in video games, it will matter going forward to understand Concord's failure more thoroughly. Journalists expressing the curiosity that will lead to deeper examinations is part of that process.
Seriously though... less than a thousand people is shocking. O.O
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Post by smilesja on Aug 25, 2024 22:43:48 GMT
I think that's the problem, the people who are politically active generally aren't going to be attracted to a hero shooter. Some are but they're part of an already small but vocal group of people.
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Post by General Mahad on Aug 26, 2024 0:02:50 GMT
Here’s my take: Concord is what happens when a studio is controlled by lunatics and panders to likeminded lunatics. According to rumors back in July, Firewak Studio is a toxic work environment with cultish mentality. Such environments do not foster creativity nor constructive criticism but instead obedience to whatever ideology the head and HR department foster. Unfortunately for them, the kind of brain rot they have going on is not enough to create a loyal fanbase for a hero shooter. BTW, Steam numbers have now dropped to 299 for a Sunday evening. steamdb.info/app/2443720/
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 26, 2024 1:43:15 GMT
I suspect it's sincere. I'm completely out of touch with hype and marketing (mostly intentionally) so the fact that I knew nothing of the game's "gender controversy" until today is probably not typical, especially when it comes to journalists who would be up to speed with the discourse around the game. But that honestly doesn't make it any less surprising how few people are playing it. I think there is a lot to be learned from what happened with it, and asking questions and acknowledging how unusual it is is part of that. It makes sense to examine it forensically. There can't be only a single explanation for how poorly it's doing. An early guess from me as to the biggest reason is that they probably marketed the game in a way meant to target an audience politically active on social media, rather than an audience engaged with hero shooters. My secondary guess being that it would appear hero shooters aren't necessarily overly popular with the crowd they marketed to - but I'm not sure anyone was necessarily going to know that for sure until someone tried to do it. Regardless, both camps had a vested interest in seeing the game succeed. The vocal camp that hates when political stuff invades their franchises should have wanted it to succeed to prove new franchises marketed for political consumers can be successful, as should their "opponents." Unless their words are largely empty and they just want to celebrate the failure of anyone they disagree with (which I'm starting to suspect is the case with many.) Regardless of one's political views or tastes in video games, it will matter going forward to understand Concord's failure more thoroughly. Journalists expressing the curiosity that will lead to deeper examinations is part of that process. Seriously though... less than a thousand people is shocking. O.O I agree, there is also a fact I found out about hero shooters today as well that could have a lot to do with low sales. They are charging $40 for a game genre that is normally F2P and like mobile games there could be a "no thanks" just because they going for a different payment model.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 26, 2024 2:53:32 GMT
I suspect it's sincere. I'm completely out of touch with hype and marketing (mostly intentionally) so the fact that I knew nothing of the game's "gender controversy" until today is probably not typical, especially when it comes to journalists who would be up to speed with the discourse around the game. But that honestly doesn't make it any less surprising how few people are playing it. I think there is a lot to be learned from what happened with it, and asking questions and acknowledging how unusual it is is part of that. It makes sense to examine it forensically. There can't be only a single explanation for how poorly it's doing. An early guess from me as to the biggest reason is that they probably marketed the game in a way meant to target an audience politically active on social media, rather than an audience engaged with hero shooters. My secondary guess being that it would appear hero shooters aren't necessarily overly popular with the crowd they marketed to - but I'm not sure anyone was necessarily going to know that for sure until someone tried to do it. Regardless, both camps had a vested interest in seeing the game succeed. The vocal camp that hates when political stuff invades their franchises should have wanted it to succeed to prove new franchises marketed for political consumers can be successful, as should their "opponents." Unless their words are largely empty and they just want to celebrate the failure of anyone they disagree with (which I'm starting to suspect is the case with many.) Regardless of one's political views or tastes in video games, it will matter going forward to understand Concord's failure more thoroughly. Journalists expressing the curiosity that will lead to deeper examinations is part of that process. Seriously though... less than a thousand people is shocking. O.O I agree, there is also a fact I found out about hero shooters today as well that could have a lot to do with low sales. They are charging $40 for a game genre that is normally F2P and like mobile games there could be a "no thanks" just because they going for a different payment model. That makes more sense now - thank you. For some reason this game and its troubles appeared in one of my news feeds and the price of $40 (I assume USD) was mentioned as a potentially contributing factor, and I thought that it was weird because games have historically been $60USD so cheaper should have meant more playing, but if it is a genre that is normally free to play, then that probably explains things. As well as PC gamers probably side-eyeing Sony after the account linking thing from that other game.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Aug 26, 2024 12:26:36 GMT
Pre-LOADING of STAR WARS Outlaws is available NOW (in North America and Australia as far as I know right at this point in time)
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