Star Wars: The Old Republic Discussion

Oct 22, 2016 14:12:08 GMT Babar Guy said:

Oct 22, 2016 13:36:01 GMT shechinah said:

Even in the trailer she's displaying signs of being the Vaylin she turns into before Valkorion ships her off to be isolated and tatted up. She was going to gleefully squish all of those guards in the training pit and turn them into a mess of crumpled metal and red goo if Senya hadn't been there to basically catch her with her hand in the cookie jar. Whether it's her being a psychopath, some other sort of mental illness or just being corrupted by the dark side at a very young age, it's clearly there even before Valkorion's little torture camp which just seals the deal.

Personally, I thought they portrayed that as her forgetting herself or not knowing the full extent of power but that comes down to personal interpretations.

And the bolded is a good lead-in to another problem I have with the trailer.

Consider how Senya spoke of Valkorion and her children:

Senya: “You say he was a homicidal tyrant, but that isn’t the man I knew. He was benevolent, wise and even kind. At least, at first. We never agreed on how the children should be raised, and over time, he became more and more distant… more cold. I was afraid of what the children would become… but when I decided to leave…. They chose him. I couldn’t force them.

Senya: "“The story really isn’t as outlandish as whatever you’re imagining. We met after I earned a place in his elite guard. I never hesitated to speak my mind, which… caught his attention, I suppose. He was fascinating. Bold. Always completely certain of his next step.”

Outlander: “If I were describing you, I’d say the same things.”
Senya: "You’re flattering me. But, yes, somehow we had a fair bit in common. What we had wasn’t a child’s notion of romance, but… we were happy. Then Arcann and his brother, Thexan, was born. I loved them so much, but no matter what I did… they wanted nothing to do with me. And Valkorion wanted nothing to do with them. His mind was somewhere else. He barely spoke, barely acknowledged any of us for weeks at a time. And then Vaylin… Vaylin was troubled from the start.”
Outlander: “Was she really dangerous even as a child?”
Senya: “She made furniture move when she was still in the womb. Tore droids apart as a toddler. Once, a guard dropped a ball she tossed. Vaylin crippled him. I confronted Valkorion. His daughter needed him. His sons needed him. His solution was to cage Vaylin’s mind. Most of her power was locked away along with most of who she was. He ignored the rest of us outright. I couldn’t stand by and watch. I gathered the children. I tried to tell them we needed to go. They laughed and called me weak. Even as children - even with Vaylin’s power restrained - the three of them together were still more powerful than me. I couldn’t force them to go. So… I left.”
Outlander: “Did Valkorion try to stop you from leaving?”
Senya: “No, I’m not sure he even noticed. I transferred to the Knights enforcement division and took assignments at the outer fringes of our empire. Valkorion never spoke another word to me. Since then, I’ve only seen my children in the broadcasts of public events… like Thexan’s funeral. Killed in the Core Worlds… I doubt they even remember me.”

Senya: “Say what you will about Valkorion but he at least considered the viewpoints of others. He listened to me. Most of the time. He didn’t- he would never have what - what Arcann…”
Outlander: “What is it?”
Senya: “I told you before that Arcann had a brother. Thexan. They were inseparable until his death. Vaylin told me, during our fight… Arcann murdered Thexan. His own brother. Maybe if I had raised him…”

I don't think the Kotet trailer adds up to what was said and shown in the game especially concerning Senya. Take how Senya reminiscents about Valkorion's relationship to his children: Senya saw Valkorion as an indifferent parent and speaks of him as such. In the game, you got the impression that she didn’t really know Valkorion’s part in how the children turned out except for how he neglected them and failed to weigh in on their upbringing including by giving them attention. In the Kotet trailer, she sees Vaylin's state firsthand and witnesses his presence in the place that she tried to take Vaylin away from. She knew he was involved.

Oct 8, 2016 3:57:16 GMT CrutchCricket said:

Oct 8, 2016 3:33:56 GMT Daemion said:

Nah but for serious now:

-the ritual we see in the trailer could very well be that "locking away". Certainly we don't see Vaylin do anything over the top except as a child who mostly can't control it.
-Vaylin was obviously segregated. Senya must've tried talking the twins into coming with her or perhaps even helping her bust their sister out. They refused so she went at it alone.
-It's knights we see dragging her back into the shuttle at the end. And Volkarion might have banned her from the castle but not necessarily from the entire Eternal Empire.

To point one and two: Based on her dialogue about it, Senya gathering her children and trying to convince them to leave with her is indicated to have taken place after most of Vaylin's mind was locked away by Valkorion which makes it very unlikely that the ritual portrayed is how Valkorion did the aforementioned locking away. Her dialogue also indicates that she gathered all of her children at once especially as she said that the three of them were stronger than her which was why she wouldn't have been able to force them to come with her.

I should also note that in the kotet trailer, we see Vaylin do the same thing she did as an unrestrained child: when Senya is walking the battlefield, the bodies there are damaged similar to how Vaylin as a child nearly killed the guards she was sparing with. This, along with the toy, is what tips Senya off to Vaylin having been there. If this is not a nightmare or a vision then this makes no sense since Senya looks too young for this to have been after Valkorion "died". By Senya's dialogue, it is also stated that she has not had any contact with her children after she left and she even doubts that they'd even remember her.

To point three: That would also be another retcon since Senya says that she didn't think Valkorion even noticed that she had left. There also seems to be nothing in her dialogue to indicate that she was ever barred from returning beyond her own personal feelings or that there was anything dramatic about the way she left.

Oct 23, 2016 17:55:32 GMT aoibhealfae said:

Senya lied from the first time you met her and hardly could be trusted either (and kinda proven by itself) and her failed attempt at rescuing Vaylin as a child might have prompt her self-exile some years afterwards.

Excepy why would Senya lie about this? What reason would she have for it?

 Also, when Senya revealed that Arcann and Vaylin were her children, it was by her own choice and not because her deception had been discovered or were on the verge of being so:

Senya: "There is one truth left to reveal. I withheld the true reason I followed you through the trials. To understand the Outlander who would destroy Arcann and Vaylin... my son and daughter."

Even when she's leaving the Alliance to save Arcann, she dosen't even try to lie to the Outlander about where she is and what she is doing:

Senya: "I'm alive... and I won't be joining you."

Outlander: "What do you mean? Where are you?"

Senya: "I'm in Arcann's personal shuttle. He's with me."