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Post by ioannisdenton on Feb 20, 2019 13:53:45 GMT
Spiderman was also short, many people got the platinum in 3 days. Games not innovative at all, it ripped batman's combat and it was repetitive as hell. Did not see anyoone complain about it.. How come Every bioware game falls into the double standards category? Bought the game yesterday on my xbox one X. it plays damn fine. If it provides me 30+ hours of fun i cannt see all the complaints then being valid. its a product we pay money to get entertained. Is batmab online MP mmo looter shooter? Is spiderman a 20 hour game with a day one DLC a game with bland repetitive actiities and batman -copied combat that got 9's and 9 million copies sold? Cause Anthem maybe a 20 hour game but it doesn't have all the above. How come we are fine apying full price for one and not the other IF we get the same enjoyment?
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 20, 2019 14:04:13 GMT
Is batmab online MP mmo looter shooter? Is spiderman a 20 hour game with a day one DLC a game with bland repetitive actiities and batman -copied combat that got 9's and 9 million copies sold? Cause Anthem maybe a 20 hour game but it doesn't have all the above. How come we are fine apying full price for one and not the other IF we get the same enjoyment? Well, I hevent played batman or superman or whatever their name is. And i guess there are a couple others who have no idea what they are about.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 20, 2019 14:37:45 GMT
Spiderman was also short, many people got the platinum in 3 days. Games not innovative at all, it ripped batman's combat and it was repetitive as hell. Did not see anyoone complain about it.. How come Every bioware game falls into the double standards category? Bought the game yesterday on my xbox one X. it plays damn fine. If it provides me 30+ hours of fun i cannt see all the complaints then being valid. its a product we pay money to get entertained. The difference is that many many many players reported they are having so much fun with Spiderman. It did right the things it was trying to do. Anthem falls short on several things it tries to do and can't compensate it with something stellar in other areas. The "so much fun" is just not there for enough people. That doesn't mean you personally won't enjoy the game. If you think it's a good purchase, all the better. To be honest there a lot of people who enjoyed Anthem as well. As suggested this is going in circles.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 20, 2019 15:31:20 GMT
So basically: use it. Is there anywhere where I can track how far I am to craft? Is it in the challenges tabs for gear or something? It was in the challenges tab. There are different sections. If you want to craft certain ability gear, look under the tab for the different Javelins and you will see how far you are with it's progress. There are lots of things hidden in the Challenges, you should look them all up. I would wait with crafting anything above Blue items until you reach level 30. An hour or two of Freeplay gives so much gear (well, I didn't test after Bioware nerfed the random field chests yesterday) that you will certainly find anything you look for. Yea, I'll also add that not only loot seems biased towards Javelin we're using, but also somewhat biased towards ability we have equipped. I wanted to level ability gear to get better blueprints and not long after I entered freeplay and did maybe 1 or 2 quickmatches I got blue and then a purple version of that gear.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 20, 2019 15:48:14 GMT
It was in the challenges tab. There are different sections. If you want to craft certain ability gear, look under the tab for the different Javelins and you will see how far you are with it's progress. There are lots of things hidden in the Challenges, you should look them all up. I would wait with crafting anything above Blue items until you reach level 30. An hour or two of Freeplay gives so much gear (well, I didn't test after Bioware nerfed the random field chests yesterday) that you will certainly find anything you look for. Yea, I'll also add that not only loot seems biased towards Javelin we're using, but also somewhat biased towards ability we have equipped. I wanted to level ability gear to get better blueprints and not long after I entered freeplay and did maybe 1 or 2 quickmatches I got blue and then a purple version of that gear. Well, I had used the Ice shards since Level 2 and I got an upgrade after I was level 8 or 9. I had to craft a better Green version of Ice Storm because I didn't get a drop for it, despite using it for 5 levels. RNG is RNG 😀
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 20, 2019 15:56:04 GMT
I don't think you should compare these games. Haven't played by my mates recognize Spiderman as one of the best games they played in 2018. So we're appealing to friends now. If you are so smart, let's wait couple more days and compare Spiderman and Anthem reviews - both from critics and casual players.
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Post by helios969 on Feb 20, 2019 16:00:47 GMT
If you think playing through some story missions is done with a game like this you might be better off playing another game in the 1st place. Yep. You really need to be open and willing to embrace Anthem in its totality. First and foremost super fun combat, exploration of a well designed and fine looking world with tons of hidden gems, taking on contracts which in and of themselves are little stories...or story chains, talking to characters around Tarsis (some pretty funny conversations), customizing Javelins (which is really deep and one of the aspects I really love) and accruing power for them in order to crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women. The story is short but it is well done as are the main supporting characters. It's also not done. But if that's the only element you care about definitely pass on the game. I've got 25 hours in and really haven't begun to fully explore the map, haven't done any of the strongholds (waiting for level 30 so I can tackle them on GM1,) and there's still more contracts to fulfill (though I cannot say how many more at this point).
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 20, 2019 16:03:17 GMT
If you are so smart, let's wait couple more days and compare Spiderman and Anthem reviews - both from critics and casual players. As you said, makes no sense to compare. One was released 'complete' with DLC pending (Spiderman), the other has a much longer GAAS tail. I'd expect Spiderman to clearly fare better on a 'day one' review comparison because it was fun and bug-free. Anthem has certainly not been bug-free and that will have cost a c.8 score to a c.7 score.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 20, 2019 16:19:30 GMT
If you are so smart, let's wait couple more days and compare Spiderman and Anthem reviews - both from critics and casual players. As you said, makes no sense to compare. One was released 'complete' with DLC pending (Spiderman), the other has a much longer GAAS tail. I'd expect Spiderman to clearly fare better on a 'day one' review comparison because it was fun and bug-free. Anthem has certainly not been bug-free and that will have cost a c.8 score to a c.7 score. If other people opinions doesn't matter for him - what opinion matter ? His own ?
That way he could say Anthem is the best game ever made - makes no difference for me really, but that will leave little space for any discussion.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 20, 2019 16:26:36 GMT
I'm not sure if I was really keen on GM grinding. I'd probably rather bumble around exploring.
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Post by Obadiah on Feb 20, 2019 16:34:22 GMT
I'm not sure if I was really keen on GM grinding. I'd probably rather bumble around exploring. Wouldn't it be nuts if, in the same way the loot has random stats, Bioware randomly generated the Anthem/Bastion world lore per character, so we all ended up with different histories in-game? I'd probably hunt for that.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 20, 2019 17:04:54 GMT
That's just your assertion. Don't sweat it. Some people just hate something and expect everyone else to fall in line with their dogma. You know, misery loves company...or maybe it's more I can't have fun so no one else is allowed. That's funny. Notice I said nothing bad about Anthem (in this post). All I did was state the fact that TF played the shit out of ME2 (I know this is fact) and probably played ME1 multiple times too. It is my assertion, Terminator Force. Prove me wrong; you are the only one who can.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 20, 2019 17:18:40 GMT
So we're appealing to friends now. If you are so smart, let's wait couple more days and compare Spiderman and Anthem reviews - both from critics and casual players. Will prove nothing.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 20, 2019 17:23:30 GMT
As you said, makes no sense to compare. One was released 'complete' with DLC pending (Spiderman), the other has a much longer GAAS tail. I'd expect Spiderman to clearly fare better on a 'day one' review comparison because it was fun and bug-free. Anthem has certainly not been bug-free and that will have cost a c.8 score to a c.7 score. If other people opinions doesn't matter for him - what opinion matter ? His own ?
That way he could say Anthem is the best game ever made - makes no difference for me really, but that will leave little space for any discussion.
Make an argument. Appealing to consensus and authority are non-arguments therefore can deceive.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 20, 2019 17:32:39 GMT
If other people opinions doesn't matter for him - what opinion matter ? His own ?
That way he could say Anthem is the best game ever made - makes no difference for me really, but that will leave little space for any discussion.
Make an argument. Appealing to consensus and authority are non-arguments therefore can deceive. I made an argument. Answer mine, regarding the part you can actually answer: Were you heavily invested in Mass Effect or not, before putting 2000hrs into the MP? You can't really answer the other part until you reach 2000 Anthem hours. I just incentivized your gameplay my dude. So, regarding my "assertion" (you are heavily overusing this new word of yours of late) that you were an invested ME player - Am I wrong?
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 20, 2019 17:59:40 GMT
If other people opinions doesn't matter for him - what opinion matter ? His own ?
That way he could say Anthem is the best game ever made - makes no difference for me really, but that will leave little space for any discussion.
Make an argument. Appealing to consensus and authority are non-arguments therefore can deceive. Don't have to. Read reviews. When you will find out that many people got same issues and same objections, maybe you will ask yourself why... though I sincerely doubt you will do that.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 20, 2019 18:10:14 GMT
Make an argument. Appealing to consensus and authority are non-arguments therefore can deceive. I made an argument. Answer mine, regarding the part you can actually answer: Were you heavily invested in Mass Effect or not, before putting 2000hrs into the MP? You can't really answer the other part until you reach 2000 Anthem hours. I just incentivized your gameplay my dude. So, regarding my "assertion" (you are heavily overusing this new word of yours of late) that you were an invested ME player - Am I wrong? Believe I've had about 3 playthroughs under my belt before diving in ME3mp. But you're misinterpreting my ME3mp hours analogy in that better gameplay trumps everything else according to my gaming preferences. Otherwise hours in ME3mp should not have trumped ME Trilogy hours.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 20, 2019 18:17:47 GMT
Make an argument. Appealing to consensus and authority are non-arguments therefore can deceive. Don't have to. Read reviews. When you will find out that many people got same issues and same objections, maybe you will ask yourself why... though I sincerely doubt you will do that. Well, I already can tell that 'same issues and same objections' may not apply to as many reviews, because I've already read reviews that praise and criticize different parts of the game. "Story is hollow!" "Story is great and I care about the characters!" "The world is beautiful and well-designed" "Open world is crap and empty"... I've also seen reviews that give the game a supposed dreaded 7, yet still claim that Anthem is a fun game, even if it has issues or things to work out and thus the score is tentative because we still have to see what live services for the game have in store. The truth of a matter is that - this is a long-term project and Bioware is taking risks with it, as it's something different from their usual (recent) fare. It's a new IP and they're trying many new things (for a studio) with it and they're doing all that in a climate of deep hostility towards corporate or big publisher practices, be it real or assumed. Therefore it will be under double scrutiny compared to many other titles. It's just how it is. I'm personally not worried. Anthem's launch ain't perfect but it's in a different universe entirely compared to recent disastrous launches, so they have a strong foothold - most of the stuff people complain about can be ironed out and now it remains to be seen how quickly they will do so. And as they grow and expand, perhaps some folks will notice that some objections I see repeated are simply incompatible with the type of game Anthem is.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 20, 2019 18:25:46 GMT
Make an argument. Appealing to consensus and authority are non-arguments therefore can deceive. Don't have to. Read reviews. When you will find out that many people got same issues and same objections, maybe you will ask yourself why... though I sincerely doubt you will do that. Used to be a big fan of videogame reviews, since grade school days of reading gaming magazines. Have you ever looked back at some of the older gaming reviews in retrospect to see how they hold up? Ever see a game you liked get panned or game you thought over hyped?
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 20, 2019 18:45:26 GMT
Don't have to. Read reviews. When you will find out that many people got same issues and same objections, maybe you will ask yourself why... though I sincerely doubt you will do that. I'm personally not worried. Anthem's launch ain't perfect but it's in a different universe entirely compared to recent disastrous launches, so they have a strong foothold - most of the stuff people complain about can be ironed out and now it remains to be seen how quickly they will do so. And as they grow and expand, perhaps some folks will notice that some objections I see repeated are simply incompatible with the type of game Anthem is.
For me their long-term planning doesn't work - it is just lazy excuse for releasing game which was not ready to be released - as i have to pay for their product here and now - HOPING that someday it will become the product i've paid for.
But i wish you as much happy hours with Anthem as possible.
Btw. I think there is one review under which i can sign right now, because it completely reflects my thoughts.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 20, 2019 19:02:31 GMT
I'm personally not worried. Anthem's launch ain't perfect but it's in a different universe entirely compared to recent disastrous launches, so they have a strong foothold - most of the stuff people complain about can be ironed out and now it remains to be seen how quickly they will do so. And as they grow and expand, perhaps some folks will notice that some objections I see repeated are simply incompatible with the type of game Anthem is. For me their long-term planning doesn't work - it is just lazy excuse for releasing game which was not ready to be released - as i have to pay for their product here and now - HOPING that someday it will become the product i've paid for. How can you say something doesn't work when they didn't even start it yet? Live service games like that simply don't work the same way standalone titles do. The game isn't 'unfinished' - it's a foundation for everything that comes next. And unlike most games released lately, that are sequels or parts of established franchises, it's not a game that has a benefit of being already established or informed by work done on preceding titles. If this was Anthem 2 you'd actually have a foot to stand on, but given that they're yet to have an official release and start their live-services all those accusations of being lazy just sound... well... lazy. Am I supposed to also link one review/youtube opinion I agree with?
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 20, 2019 19:04:40 GMT
The difference is that many many many players reported they are having so much fun with Spiderman. It did right the things it was trying to do. Anthem falls short on several things it tries to do and can't compensate it with something stellar in other areas. The "so much fun" is just not there for enough people. That doesn't mean you personally won't enjoy the game. If you think it's a good purchase, all the better. To be honest there a lot of people who enjoyed Anthem as well. As suggested this is going in circles. When does it not? It's why I can't help but smirk at the dance.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 20, 2019 19:11:25 GMT
For me their long-term planning doesn't work - it is just lazy excuse for releasing game which was not ready to be released - as i have to pay for their product here and now - HOPING that someday it will become the product i've paid for. How can you say something doesn't work when they didn't even start it yet? Live service games like that simply don't work the same way standalone titles do. The game isn't 'unfinished' - it's a foundation for everything that comes next. And unlike most games released lately, that are sequels or part of established franchises, it's not a game that has a benefit of being already established or informed by work done on preceding titles. If this was Anthem 2 you'd actually have a foot to stand on, but given that they're yet to have an official release and start their live-services all those accusations of being lazy just sound... well... lazy. Am I supposed to also link one review/youtube opinion I agree with? If you are willing to pay today for Anthem in it's current state, because one day it might be or it will be better game - i have no problem with this at all.
I subscribed for SWTOR since day one and i was very happy with story modes they deliver - didn't have to wait weeks or months for better experience. Of course in time game evolved, content been added and many more things too, but i didn't have any mixed feelings from the start like with Anthem.
If you want to link any review you agree with, i also have no problem with that.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 20, 2019 19:41:51 GMT
I'm personally not worried. Anthem's launch ain't perfect but it's in a different universe entirely compared to recent disastrous launches, so they have a strong foothold - most of the stuff people complain about can be ironed out and now it remains to be seen how quickly they will do so. And as they grow and expand, perhaps some folks will notice that some objections I see repeated are simply incompatible with the type of game Anthem is.
For me their long-term planning doesn't work - it is just lazy excuse for releasing game which was not ready to be released - as i have to pay for their product here and now - HOPING that someday it will become the product i've paid for.
But i wish you as much happy hours with Anthem as possible.
Btw. I think there is one review under which i can sign right now, because it completely reflects my thoughts.
Man... He seemed genuinely disappointed. Not the "BioWare hater" type. This game is a disaster in the making, I'm afraid.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 20, 2019 19:52:54 GMT
How can you say something doesn't work when they didn't even start it yet? Live service games like that simply don't work the same way standalone titles do. The game isn't 'unfinished' - it's a foundation for everything that comes next. And unlike most games released lately, that are sequels or part of established franchises, it's not a game that has a benefit of being already established or informed by work done on preceding titles. If this was Anthem 2 you'd actually have a foot to stand on, but given that they're yet to have an official release and start their live-services all those accusations of being lazy just sound... well... lazy. Am I supposed to also link one review/youtube opinion I agree with? If you are willing to pay today for Anthem in it's current state, because one day it might be or it will be better game - i have no problem with this at all. I subscribed for SWTOR since day one and i was very happy with story modes they deliver - didn't have to wait weeks or months for better experience. Of course in time game evolved, content been added and many more things too, but i didn't have any mixed feelings from the start like with Anthem. If you want to link any review you agree with, i also have to problem with that. I didn't play SWTOR, but what I subscribed to was Elder Scrolls Online. If I linked one review at the time, say: Angry Joe's, his thumbnail for the review could probably tell you a lot about opinions circulating about the game. The story was weak to meh, content was repetitive and a slog, corporate decisions hampered the game, unfinished state, all that jazz. Heard it all. And as the game kept improving a lot of criticism was receding. Gradually, even things that were supposedly weak or meh (like the crit path story) were suddenly getting more and more positive reception. Now? The game is in its veritable golden age. And people keep coming because of their robust update offerings and game support. This year's DLCs and main expansion seem to get people particularly excited. So I've been through this rodeo before. One of the main reasons why ESO was in trouble at launch was because the game has been too long in development. The launch helped them re-focus their efforts and react to the wishes of the community. So, so long as Bioware has resources and manpower to continue with updates and improvements, and remains receptive, I don't think I should expect much else.
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