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Post by helios969 on Feb 20, 2019 19:52:58 GMT
Internet reviews being reliable fit with the infinite monkey theorem...it could happen but you'll just have to wait out the universe for it to happen.
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Post by acehilator on Feb 20, 2019 20:19:19 GMT
Didn't go back to check how long this thread derailment went on for, nice work nonetheless. Mods?
On topic: First open world event is active, "Outlaw Outrage". It's big enough to warrant its own entry in the ingame news. So far it's nothing more than additional groups of Elite Outlaw spawning in lots of locations. Beating those groups doesn't yield rewards. Sometimes there is a strange noise, like radio static.
Will update if status changes.
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 20, 2019 21:41:42 GMT
But we will be patched in a few hours.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 20, 2019 22:39:01 GMT
On topic: First open world event is active, "Outlaw Outrage". It's big enough to warrant its own entry in the ingame news. So far it's nothing more than additional groups of Elite Outlaw spawning in lots of locations. Beating those groups doesn't yield rewards. Sometimes there is a strange noise, like radio static. So that's what was happening. I was thinking that the game was trying to put me in my place for trying to step in GM1 There were outlaws everywhere. And they move in swarms.
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Post by bladefist on Feb 21, 2019 1:35:33 GMT
A lot less convoluted menus. Let's see if I have shorter load times
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 2:06:12 GMT
Well, my 10 hours ran out in a free play mission. Not hurrying through the story, got just shy of level 10 with my Storm. Only played the Ranger through level 2. Hearing the comments from others … since my friends don't have early access … I went with solo on the story missions, spent a fair amount of time at Ft Tarsis … focus more on story than leveling up.
No details … but if I have a critique of the story, it's that it feels condensed. Since this is a GaaS, BioWare might have disconnected the story from the final boss battle. Something to allow it to run longer, deeper. They did a decent job improving flying for PC … look forward to the improvements with the day 1 patch.
I've gotten used to Owen. Didn't care for him that much in previous opportunities to play. Still haven't warmed up the mechanic, but so far, Faye and Haluk seem like decently done characters. I don't think I've reached the point to make a judgment on Tassyn. Brin … my first reaction was negative, but she probably grew on me faster than Owen.
If the recent interim patch has improved speed in Ft Tarsis … that's a good thing. Same for the menus, the unmodified menus were pretty bad in previous plays, plus my experience in the trial.
So far, still not entirely sold on Anthem. But I'm leaning toward thinking this game is one I will like and enjoy longer term … not just play a short while and drop. Also, really like the idea that a new javelin build is like an NG+. I'm not fond of NG+ overall, but I really do want to explore other stuff, beyond what I did right out of the gate with my level 1 character.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 21, 2019 2:50:14 GMT
Okay, is it just me that experiences an actual firestorm? Like, the stuff that is raining from the sky ain't rain...
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Post by bladefist on Feb 21, 2019 4:31:03 GMT
Day 1 patch is up. So far: Shorter load times. Bar crawls up to halfway then I'm popped into the game. Fps across the board increased by 10 for me. Tyrants are easier to kill. Heart of Rage stronghold still sucks.
New bugs: Sometimes can't interact with objects or revive Ending an expedition early takes me back to a victory on a previous javelin along with xp and materials
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 21, 2019 7:33:40 GMT
So I finished the critical path at 32 hrs. Still have quite a few agent mission left to do and I have not actually exhausted all dialogue. Only one stronghold run. And there is very little freeplay in this but I did a couple of hrs during the legionaire trials. Oh, yeah, and Tassyn gave me a smile and a wink. Nudge, nudge...
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Post by PillarBiter on Feb 21, 2019 9:38:05 GMT
Okay so my 10 hours are up now. I am sad I have to wait for tomorrow ( what time EXACTLY does the game go live?), but at least I got tot enjoy the day 1 patch for my last 2 hours. Very good improvement. I've now reached the point in the story that I have to do the trials. People said that's about halfway the story. Okay now I understand that the game is actually very short as is. I also did all missions available for the factions and contracts, so yeah, this'll be a 20-30 hour game. So I understand the critique of the shortness. But then again, in march we have act 2. If that is equally long as act 1, this game'll become bigger pretty fast. And, there is probably an act 3 as well. So then you're looking at 60 hours maybe? Thats not bad. I still enjoy soloing. I do NOT enjoy not gettign the gear I want . But I guess I'll just have to run some strongholds once I can play again. Honest review? Objectively, the game is worth 7 as it is now. But I enjoy it every much. Once they add more story and streamline their game better, it could easily move to 8. If they continue suppor tin the long run, and do it well, it might one day earn a 9. But, that will depend VERY much on the support. In any case, thank you fo rthe game bioware. I enjoy it. PS: This game is GORGIOUS. Eyecandy everywhere. Too bad games get little credit anymore for this.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 21, 2019 9:49:06 GMT
Okay so my 10 hours are up now. I am sad I have to wait for tomorrow ( what time EXACTLY does the game go live?), but at least I got tot enjoy the day 1 patch for my last 2 hours. Very good improvement. I've now reached the point in the story that I have to do the trials. People said that's about halfway the story. Okay now I understand that the game is actually very short as is. I also did all missions available for the factions and contracts, so yeah, this'll be a 20-30 hour game. So I understand the critique of the shortness. But then again, in march we have act 2. If that is equally long as act 1, this game'll become bigger pretty fast. And, there is probably an act 3 as well. So then you're looking at 60 hours maybe? Thats not bad. I still enjoy soloing. I do NOT enjoy not gettign the gear I want . But I guess I'll just have to run some strongholds once I can play again. Honest review? Objectively, the game is worth 7 as it is now. But I enjoy it every much. Once they add more story and streamline their game better, it could easily move to 8. If they continue suppor tin the long run, and do it well, it might one day earn a 9. But, that will depend VERY much on the support. In any case, thank you fo rthe game bioware. I enjoy it. PS: This game is GORGIOUS. Eyecandy everywhere. Too bad games get little credit anymore for this.
Two items after the patch: (1) can you tell us about the annoying load screens? (2) Sprint in FT?
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Post by saandrig on Feb 21, 2019 10:21:58 GMT
But then again, in march we have act 2. If that is equally long as act 1, this game'll become bigger pretty fast. And, there is probably an act 3 as well. So then you're looking at 60 hours maybe? Thats not bad. I still enjoy soloing. I do NOT enjoy not gettign the gear I want . But I guess I'll just have to run some strongholds once I can play again. I will be pleasantly surprised if Act 2 gives us more than 4-5 hours extra story. Unless it's gated behind grinding some numbers again, because that won't count. Expecting 20 hours is too much and if it happens, then it will mean Bioware had that content ready long ago and gave us less than half the game they could offer. Which will be incredibly stupid move on their part considering the shape of the game now. 20 hours of extra story now would do them much more good than 20 hours after a month. I am confident they gave us most of what they had developed and the rest is still work in progress, but will be released in much smaller story chunks. I'd rather wait 3+ months and get 15+ hours story together instead of chunks of 5 hours each month or so (looking at you, AC Odyssey). As for gear grind - avoid the Heart of Rage SH. Do the first two chests of the Scar Temple SH and then quit and repeat (no point yet to go for the boss and his pathetic drops). Or do Freeplay on Hard or GM1. It seems the drop rates for all GM difficulties are the same, so no point going above GM1 outside of bragging rights.
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Post by PillarBiter on Feb 21, 2019 10:40:08 GMT
Okay so my 10 hours are up now. I am sad I have to wait for tomorrow ( what time EXACTLY does the game go live?), but at least I got tot enjoy the day 1 patch for my last 2 hours. Very good improvement. I've now reached the point in the story that I have to do the trials. People said that's about halfway the story. Okay now I understand that the game is actually very short as is. I also did all missions available for the factions and contracts, so yeah, this'll be a 20-30 hour game. So I understand the critique of the shortness. But then again, in march we have act 2. If that is equally long as act 1, this game'll become bigger pretty fast. And, there is probably an act 3 as well. So then you're looking at 60 hours maybe? Thats not bad. I still enjoy soloing. I do NOT enjoy not gettign the gear I want . But I guess I'll just have to run some strongholds once I can play again. Honest review? Objectively, the game is worth 7 as it is now. But I enjoy it every much. Once they add more story and streamline their game better, it could easily move to 8. If they continue suppor tin the long run, and do it well, it might one day earn a 9. But, that will depend VERY much on the support. In any case, thank you fo rthe game bioware. I enjoy it. PS: This game is GORGIOUS. Eyecandy everywhere. Too bad games get little credit anymore for this.
Two items after the patch: (1) can you tell us about the annoying load screens? (2) Sprint in FT?
Thanks
1) the load screens are still present, but they are quite noticably shorter. (Im on xb1x) 2) there is a sprint, although mild jog would be a better term But, it gets you around, I suppose. same like 1, it is noticeably better
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Post by PillarBiter on Feb 21, 2019 10:45:21 GMT
But then again, in march we have act 2. If that is equally long as act 1, this game'll become bigger pretty fast. And, there is probably an act 3 as well. So then you're looking at 60 hours maybe? Thats not bad. I still enjoy soloing. I do NOT enjoy not gettign the gear I want . But I guess I'll just have to run some strongholds once I can play again. I will be pleasantly surprised if Act 2 gives us more than 4-5 hours extra story. Unless it's gated behind grinding some numbers again, because that won't count. Expecting 20 hours is too much and if it happens, then it will mean Bioware had that content ready long ago and gave us less than half the game they could offer. Which will be incredibly stupid move on their part considering the shape of the game now. 20 hours of extra story now would do them much more good than 20 hours after a month. I am confident they gave us most of what they had developed and the rest is still work in progress, but will be released in much smaller story chunks. I'd rather wait 3+ months and get 15+ hours story together instead of chunks of 5 hours each month or so (looking at you, AC Odyssey). As for gear grind - avoid the Heart of Rage SH. Do the first two chests of the Scar Temple SH and then quit and repeat (no point yet to go for the boss and his pathetic drops). Or do Freeplay on Hard or GM1. It seems the drop rates for all GM difficulties are the same, so no point going above GM1 outside of bragging rights. Well, depends how anthem was set up. If it was always the idea for a GaaS, they could've launched any time their basic framework was done, i.e. with limited story content, and were expecting a low rating launch. They could've worke don the additional story in tandem. If EA was aware of the state of anthem (ie not finished yet, but the basic framework done), EA might have pushed it to release once the framework was done, just to get them early sales, but made a deal with bioware they they could support it for at least a year or something. We'll never know.
In any case, we'll see how it goes when the first additional act drops. It will be a good indicator.
WHen I hear them talking in the stream they still have plenty plans (legendary mission replay seems a good idea). I'm hoping they can realise it.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 21, 2019 11:50:55 GMT
WHen I hear them talking in the stream they still have plenty plans (legendary mission replay seems a good idea). I'm hoping they can realise it. [/div][/quote] Is that replaying the Legendary contracts or it means something else?
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 21, 2019 11:58:09 GMT
Is that replaying the Legendary contracts or it means something else? No, they're planning to turn main story missions into legendary conntent - modified, so instead of there being a learning curve that came with first missions, they'd be much more challenging encounters. They said that they will be testing this idea sometime soon and see how the community reacts to it once they release first few story missions.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 21, 2019 12:06:15 GMT
For me their long-term planning doesn't work - it is just lazy excuse for releasing game which was not ready to be released - as i have to pay for their product here and now - HOPING that someday it will become the product i've paid for. How can you say something doesn't work when they didn't even start it yet? Live service games like that simply don't work the same way standalone titles do... They actually do just work the same way. They just need some solid stuff to do from the start. A gameplay loop that is fun and compelling. Then you want more and "live service" can deliver more.
Live sevice is just a fancy label to circumscribe new content delivery and an online game environment. It's not like updates and DLC and mtx and new content has been just invented.
Games get judged by their first impression. That worked in the past and it will work in the future - no matter if anyone narrates "live service" as never done before better than sliced bread invention.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 21, 2019 12:25:58 GMT
But then again, in march we have act 2. If that is equally long as act 1, this game'll become bigger pretty fast. And, there is probably an act 3 as well. So then you're looking at 60 hours maybe? Thats not bad. I still enjoy soloing. I do NOT enjoy not gettign the gear I want . But I guess I'll just have to run some strongholds once I can play again. I will be pleasantly surprised if Act 2 gives us more than 4-5 hours extra story. Unless it's gated behind grinding some numbers again, because that won't count. Expecting 20 hours is too much and if it happens, then it will mean Bioware had that content ready long ago and gave us less than half the game they could offer. Which will be incredibly stupid move on their part considering the shape of the game now. 20 hours of extra story now would do them much more good than 20 hours after a month. I am confident they gave us most of what they had developed and the rest is still work in progress, but will be released in much smaller story chunks. I'd rather wait 3+ months and get 15+ hours story together instead of chunks of 5 hours each month or so (looking at you, AC Odyssey). As for gear grind - avoid the Heart of Rage SH. Do the first two chests of the Scar Temple SH and then quit and repeat (no point yet to go for the boss and his pathetic drops). Or do Freeplay on Hard or GM1. It seems the drop rates for all GM difficulties are the same, so no point going above GM1 outside of bragging rights. They likely have a lot of content ready - hard to believe they’d write, voice and animate 15+ hours of content in three months, even if they have all the pipelines ready. Then they have to translate this stuff in multiple languages. Even if they have all their pipelines ready for work, I find it very unlikely they don’t have months of content baking in the oven already. Things will grind to a halt however if persistent bugs or issues will prevent them from realizing their schedule. IMO, right now what matters is stabilizing the game in real gaming environment, with thousands to millions people logging in and playing every day. So we start with what Casey Hudson deemed a foundation of the game - once they ensure it’s sturdy enough to ensure further rollout of content we should see it delivered at fairly regular intervals.
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 21, 2019 12:31:16 GMT
Okay so my 10 hours are up now. I am sad I have to wait for tomorrow ( what time EXACTLY does the game go live?), but at least I got tot enjoy the day 1 patch for my last 2 hours. Very good improvement. I've now reached the point in the story that I have to do the trials. People said that's about halfway the story. Okay now I understand that the game is actually very short as is. I also did all missions available for the factions and contracts, so yeah, this'll be a 20-30 hour game. So I understand the critique of the shortness. But then again, in march we have act 2. If that is equally long as act 1, this game'll become bigger pretty fast. And, there is probably an act 3 as well. So then you're looking at 60 hours maybe? Thats not bad. PS: This game is GORGIOUS. Eyecandy everywhere. Too bad games get little credit anymore for this. More like a third.
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 21, 2019 12:34:38 GMT
Is that replaying the Legendary contracts or it means something else? No, they're planning to turn main story missions into legendary conntent - modified, so instead of there being a learning curve that came with first missions, they'd be much more challenging encounters. They said that they will be testing this idea sometime soon and see how the community reacts to it once they release first few story missions. I find that interesting...but possibly problematic, because I am not sure if I want all of their feedback to be taken directly from the communities hands on what content they like.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 21, 2019 12:38:21 GMT
How can you say something doesn't work when they didn't even start it yet? Live service games like that simply don't work the same way standalone titles do... They actually do just work the same way. They just need some solid stuff to do from the start. A gameplay loop that is fun and compelling. Then you want more and "live service" can deliver more.
Live sevice is just a fancy label to circumscribe new content delivery and an online game environment. It's not like updates and DLC and mtx and new content has been just invented.
Games get judged by their first impression. That worked in the past and it will work in the future - no matter if anyone narrates "live service" as never done before better than sliced bread invention.
That’s the thing - first impression doesn’t matter that much anymore, especially with long-living games. What’s the biggest game on the market now? Fortnite. ...You think this is how it started? Elder Scrolls Online, Final Fantasy XIV, Rainbow Six Siege, Division, Warframe... even No Man’s Sky has its 5 minutes now. Nevermind that even more than first impressions, a lot of people like a good redemption story. We’re simply getting past days when most games had to make a strong first impression and sell most copies within 6 months from release. That doesn’t mean that ALL games will be like that - I don’t expect largely self-contained releases to disappear, but a significant section of market opened for games that defy current scoring system or traditional expectations at launch due to their expanded lifetime and evolving nature.
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Post by PillarBiter on Feb 21, 2019 12:40:05 GMT
Okay so my 10 hours are up now. I am sad I have to wait for tomorrow ( what time EXACTLY does the game go live?), but at least I got tot enjoy the day 1 patch for my last 2 hours. Very good improvement. I've now reached the point in the story that I have to do the trials. People said that's about halfway the story. Okay now I understand that the game is actually very short as is. I also did all missions available for the factions and contracts, so yeah, this'll be a 20-30 hour game. So I understand the critique of the shortness. But then again, in march we have act 2. If that is equally long as act 1, this game'll become bigger pretty fast. And, there is probably an act 3 as well. So then you're looking at 60 hours maybe? Thats not bad. PS: This game is GORGIOUS. Eyecandy everywhere. Too bad games get little credit anymore for this. More like a third. A third? All the better!!!
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Post by saandrig on Feb 21, 2019 12:43:02 GMT
Is that replaying the Legendary contracts or it means something else? No, they're planning to turn main story missions into legendary conntent - modified, so instead of there being a learning curve that came with first missions, they'd be much more challenging encounters. They said that they will be testing this idea sometime soon and see how the community reacts to it once they release first few story missions. [Having a bad SWTOR flashback of rehashed old content offered in a new package over and over, because Bioware doesn't have anything else to give] Oh, wait, forgot we have Ben Irving on board. Then we are par for the course, please continue 😂 While it is a way to bring more content, I fear that all story missions are too much the same. We'll have to see how it goes. Maybe it will work as a harder type of NG+.
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 21, 2019 12:50:27 GMT
No, they're planning to turn main story missions into legendary conntent - modified, so instead of there being a learning curve that came with first missions, they'd be much more challenging encounters. They said that they will be testing this idea sometime soon and see how the community reacts to it once they release first few story missions. I find that interesting...but possibly problematic, because I am not sure if I want all of their feedback to be taken directly from the communities hands on what content they like. The Community are the ones playing the game. The pointless negative nancies who were never going to play it anyway are just useless waste of opinion. Legendary missions are staple of the "genre" though. But they need to add a twist. The Division 2 will add The Black tusks for this. Depending on how they will handle some of the end game reveals BioWare could and should change the mobs as well as up the numbers. We'll see. They're wanting feedback from us I'll be happy to oblige. But I don't see where some reviewer who don't understand the game or genre is useful. Like the numbnut who couldn't handle real-time VATS. "Where's my pause button?" The community will pull in different direction anyway.
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 21, 2019 12:55:27 GMT
I find that interesting...but possibly problematic, because I am not sure if I want all of their feedback to be taken directly from the communities hands on what content they like. The Community are the ones playing the game. The pointless negative nancies who were never going to play it anyway are just useless waste of opinion. Legendary missions are staple of the "genre" though. But they need to add a twist. The Division 2 will add The Black tusks for this. Depending on how they will handle some of the end game reveals BioWare could and should change the mobs as well as up the numbers. We'll see. They're wanting feedback from us I'll be happy to oblige. But I don't see where some reviewer who don't understand the game or genre is useful. Like the numbnut who couldn't handle real-time VATS. "Where's my pause button?" The community will pull in different direction anyway. Sure, but you also can't please everyone or do everything the community wants. It's a fruitless endeavor in the long run I'd say.
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