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Post by davesin on Jun 26, 2018 4:49:43 GMT
I don't think so. At least not directly. Fenris and Anders are against everything Merrill does in general. I never used Aveline, Varric or Sebastian for Merrill's quest, but I guess they're suspicious about it (because it's a weird shit/you should repent for deaths of your clanmates). Isabela is the only one who defends Merrill when others call her a monster. I don't think she cares about Merrill's mirror that much, as long as she doesn't get hurt. By I haven't played the game for some time, so... Catilina, you're the expert on magic stuff and quests.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 26, 2018 11:36:48 GMT
Does any of the companions support Merrill's eluvian project? davesin 's right, Anders and Fenris firmly against her project (they're high-five bros, in this question), Isabela protect her, but we don't know his opinion about her task, Varric loves her, but rather worries about her than support her task. I don't think, Aveline would support the blood magic, and Sebastian calls Merrill and Anders maleficar (Fenris banter) and wants to call the Templars – while sometimes seems very nice with Merrill... So: as I see, Hawke can be the only who support her in the Eluvian project.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jun 26, 2018 17:00:13 GMT
Does any of the companions support Merrill's eluvian project? No one other than Merrill approves of giving her the arulin'holm. Varric and Isabela don't actually disapprove, but the impression is very much that only Hawke and Merrill really think it's a good idea. Poor Merrill!
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Post by Iddy on Jun 26, 2018 17:08:13 GMT
Does any of the companions support Merrill's eluvian project? No one other than Merrill approves of giving her the arulin'holm. Varric and Isabela don't actually disapprove, but the impression is very much that only Hawke and Merrill really think it's a good idea. Poor Merrill! And maybe not even Hawke.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jun 26, 2018 17:38:33 GMT
One of the failures of DA2, I feel, is that it's never really adequately explained WHY the eluvian is important. Oh, we're told about how the elves have lost their culture and this is restoring a small part of that culture, yadda yadda yadda. But it's not clear how the eluvian fits into that culture. Even just a line from Merrill about what she THINKS the eluvian does would have been helpful.
Thankfully, in the wake of DAI, the signficance of the eluvians is a lot more apparent.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 26, 2018 17:46:12 GMT
One of the failures of DA2, I feel, is that it's never really adequately explained WHY the eluvian is important. Oh, we're told about how the elves have lost their culture and this is restoring a small part of that culture, yadda yadda yadda. But it's not clear how the eluvian fits into that culture. Even just a line from Merrill about what she THINKS the eluvian does would have been helpful. Thankfully, in the wake of DAI, the signficance of the eluvians is a lot more apparent. Who knows the DAO: Witch Hunt, knows the Eluvian's importance, at least can thinking about, what exactly this is, but who don't know, just saw (or heard) Tamlen's story, very easily can think, Merrill's an idiot.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jun 26, 2018 17:56:10 GMT
The Dalish origin doesn't really teach us anything about the utilization of the Eluvian except that it can potentially kill you.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 26, 2018 18:27:38 GMT
The Dalish origin doesn't really teach us anything about the utilization of the Eluvian except that it can potentially kill you. This was what exactly I said. Who only heard about Tamlen's story, easily can consider Merrill an idiot.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 26, 2018 21:25:57 GMT
One of the failures of DA2, I feel, is that it's never really adequately explained WHY the eluvian is important. Oh, we're told about how the elves have lost their culture and this is restoring a small part of that culture, yadda yadda yadda. But it's not clear how the eluvian fits into that culture. Even just a line from Merrill about what she THINKS the eluvian does would have been helpful. Thankfully, in the wake of DAI, the signficance of the eluvians is a lot more apparent. Merrill does talk about what she thinks the eluvian does though. In the scene where she shows it to you you can ask about it: Hawke: "What's an eluvian?" Merrill: "Long ago, the elves had a kingdom. An empire that covered Thedas. And every city had an eluvian. The mirrors let them communicate across their empire. But I don't know how, exactly." With her talking about how the Dalish lost everything, I don't think she just wants the mirror fixed because it is part of her culture but I think she hopes that it will be able to access others and through that they can learn not just a snippet but everything. Which as it turns out is a correct assumption as we learn in DAI and especially Trespasser, to the point Varric thinks of Merrill when we are learning the truth.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 28, 2018 12:13:09 GMT
One of the failures of DA2, I feel, is that it's never really adequately explained WHY the eluvian is important. Oh, we're told about how the elves have lost their culture and this is restoring a small part of that culture, yadda yadda yadda. But it's not clear how the eluvian fits into that culture. Even just a line from Merrill about what she THINKS the eluvian does would have been helpful. Thankfully, in the wake of DAI, the signficance of the eluvians is a lot more apparent. It is revealed in Witch Hunt.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 28, 2018 19:28:28 GMT
So, I've been thinking about taking the friendship path with Merrill.
Thing is, I also want to avoid slaughtering her clan and the only way to do it is to promise them Merrill won't harm anyone else with her blood magic. Yes, I know you can max friendship before reaching that point. I'm more worried about whether it would make sense to say that after having supported her goal.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 28, 2018 19:41:48 GMT
So, I've been thinking about taking the friendship path with Merrill. Thing is, I also want to avoid slaughtering her clan and the only way to do it is to promise them Merrill won't harm anyone else with her blood magic. Yes, I know you can max friendship before reaching that point. I'm more worried about whether it would make sense to say that after having supported her goal. Why not? It depends on Hawke's temper. If s/he saw the anger in their eyes – still can choose a way to avoid the massacre, even with an aggressive Hawke. That rivalry only Merrill's sudden reaction, she doesn't want to kill her clan! According my scenario, later Hawke still can explain to Merrill, his/her intention. They were angry – because of Marethari demonized Merrill, and took that demon... The clan would be able to kill themselves as Pol did...
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Post by Iddy on Jun 28, 2018 20:01:38 GMT
So, I've been thinking about taking the friendship path with Merrill. Thing is, I also want to avoid slaughtering her clan and the only way to do it is to promise them Merrill won't harm anyone else with her blood magic. Yes, I know you can max friendship before reaching that point. I'm more worried about whether it would make sense to say that after having supported her goal. Why not? It depends on Hawke's temper. If s/he saw the anger in their eyes – still can choose a way to avoid the massacre, even with an aggressive Hawke. That rivalry only Merrill's sudden reaction, she doesn't want to kill her clan! According my scenario, later Hawke still can explain to Merrill, his/her intention. They were angry – because of Marethari demonized Merrill, and took that demon... The clan would be able to kill themselves as Pol did... I've considered that, yes. "Maybe Hawke just said what they wanted to hear". But if Hawke wants to prevent violence, wouldn't it make more sense to defend her innocence than encourage their belief that she is evil?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 28, 2018 20:05:43 GMT
Why not? It depends on Hawke's temper. If s/he saw the anger in their eyes – still can choose a way to avoid the massacre, even with an aggressive Hawke. That rivalry only Merrill's sudden reaction, she doesn't want to kill her clan! According my scenario, later Hawke still can explain to Merrill, his/her intention. They were angry – because of Marethari demonized Merrill, and took that demon... The clan would be able to kill themselves as Pol did... I've considered that, yes. "Maybe Hawke just said what they wanted to hear". But if Hawke wants to prevent violence, wouldn't it make more sense to defend her innocence than encourage their belief that she is evil? Nothing Hawke says would convince them otherwise. Their Keeper is dead after spending years telling fake horror stories about Merrill, and the only person defending her is a shemlen. With how emotional they are, they’ll take the word of their dead leader over a living human stranger.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 28, 2018 20:18:25 GMT
Why not? It depends on Hawke's temper. If s/he saw the anger in their eyes – still can choose a way to avoid the massacre, even with an aggressive Hawke. That rivalry only Merrill's sudden reaction, she doesn't want to kill her clan! According my scenario, later Hawke still can explain to Merrill, his/her intention. They were angry – because of Marethari demonized Merrill, and took that demon... The clan would be able to kill themselves as Pol did... I've considered that, yes. "Maybe Hawke just said what they wanted to hear". But if Hawke wants to prevent violence, wouldn't it make more sense to defend her innocence than encourage their belief that she is evil? You're right, but Marethari "fanaticized" them. You saw, what happened with Pol. The word was not enough. The fact, Merrill was full of blood. And Marethari frightened them with Merrill. If you think, this is the good answer, then try to convince them – but they'll not hear the true word. If Hawke in the romance with her – perhaps I would choose that. To protect her in any way, no matter the cost. And I said: PERHAPS. Because of Hawke, who loves Merrill, knows, Merrill wouldn't want to fight against her people. But not in romance? I don't know. Hawke helps Merrill and knows, Merrill didn't kill Maretari. To try to avoid a fight with desperate people isn't that bad decision – and the goal is Merrill's goal, Hawke can interest in, but not like Merrill. (Not mentioned: this is an idiot answer: probably one of the writers suggest, like the friendship is mad, the rivalry's the best way ever – because these character's flawed, Hawke must fix them, and the friendship with them just "enables" their wrong views... – but according to me, this is wrong.)
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Post by Iddy on Jun 28, 2018 22:51:51 GMT
Sooo... do you guys prefer to avoid the clan's slaughter by telling them Merrill is at fault or defend her innocence?
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Post by Catilina on Jun 28, 2018 23:02:48 GMT
Sooo... do you guys prefer to avoid the clan's slaughter by telling them Merrill is at fault or defend her innocence? Again: it depends. Hawke says, if I remember, s/he will take Merrill away. Not blame her or something. But this is one of the stupidest answers in the game. As I said: it's about: the rivalry is The Right Way(TM), because Hawke must fix his/her companions as a broken car... This game is the most beautiful piece I ever played but has many flaws... an unpolished diamond – whit some suggested bullshit. Still fascinating.
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Post by vertigomez on Jul 4, 2018 5:43:52 GMT
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Post by cribbian on Jul 8, 2018 20:02:57 GMT
Sooo... do you guys prefer to avoid the clan's slaughter by telling them Merrill is at fault or defend her innocence? You can avoid killing them all if you run to the zone exit farthest away from the camp and leave the zone in the short period between waves when you are out of combat. Don't remenber if the game still counts it as if you killed them all anyway tough.
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Post by davesin on Jul 9, 2018 10:52:57 GMT
Do you guys think Merrill would be able to resist Audacity if Marethari didn't let demon in? After all, she didn't resist Wryme in Feynriel's quest. She's also not at her best during Act 3 (both mentally and physically). Audacity also seems to be quite persuasive (in Merrill short story, it gains her interest pretty quickly) and it wants to get out (unless someone has a better explanation for a line "Help me").
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Post by Catilina on Jul 9, 2018 11:03:32 GMT
I suppose, yes. She said often. And that scene in the Fade just would strengthen her. She called Hawke for help. If she would want to accept Audacity's offer, she would do it alone. But she called Hawke to prevent it. And Anders frightened her enough when he spoke about his personal experience grossly, I suppose.
I didn't read Merrill's short story, and I'm working now, but later I will. So: perhaps, I'm wrong, but I think, Merrill can handle the problem well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 11:21:14 GMT
Sooo... do you guys prefer to avoid the clan's slaughter by telling them Merrill is at fault or defend her innocence? I always roleplay the decision. There's no way Hawke can know the eventual outcome, so he or she will decide the best thing to do at the time. If that involves mopping up blood then so be it, I'm all for my characters having shit happen as a result of their actions. Even if those actions are benign, that's real life right?
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Post by Iddy on Jul 9, 2018 11:30:03 GMT
Sooo... do you guys prefer to avoid the clan's slaughter by telling them Merrill is at fault or defend her innocence? I always roleplay the decision. There's no way Hawke can know the eventual outcome, so he or she will decide the best thing to do at the time. If that involves mopping up blood then so be it, I'm all for my characters having shit happen as a result of their actions. Even if those actions are benign, that's real life right? Hawke can't know the outcome, but s/he can try to guess, right? "Mm... what can I say to avoid pissing off these elves even further?" Also, congratulations for your modhood.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 12:26:16 GMT
I always roleplay the decision. There's no way Hawke can know the eventual outcome, so he or she will decide the best thing to do at the time. If that involves mopping up blood then so be it, I'm all for my characters having shit happen as a result of their actions. Even if those actions are benign, that's real life right? Hawke can't know the outcome, but s/he can try to guess, right? "Mm... what can I say to avoid pissing off these elves even further?" Also, congratulations for your modhood. True, if you want a good relationship with the elves you'd adhere to their wishes. On the other hand Hawke wouldn't know Marethari was possessed and would have to be killed, so the elves attacking never occurred to me at least when I first played the game and helped Merrill out. And thank you.
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Post by jaison1986 on Jul 9, 2018 12:57:25 GMT
There is no way for Hawke (or first time players) to know that trying to explain what happened to the Dalish would result in their massacre.
Personaly, I wish there was an option to kick Merrill out of the party in that scenario. This is a roleplaying game after all. Why not have an option for Hawke to show disgust towards Merrill as her irresponsible actions led to an massacre and cut ties with her?
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