weapons and applying ammo effect chance (disruptor ammo for priming TB)

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weapons and applying ammo effect chance (disruptor ammo for priming TB) Feb 21, 2019 11:52:44 GMT MPApr2012, andy_3_913, and 4 more like this

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Post by Alfonsedode on Feb 21, 2019 11:52:44 GMT

I searched for data or anything about that yesterday but failed,

Any chance some of you guys have values or links on that ?

i ll summon capn233 again, sorry mate, cause you once gave me a formula about that RoF and pellets, IIRC

(just to be clear i m speaking specifically of tech bursting Disruptor ammo priming, and FE with Inci rounds. In the second case, i remember priming is effective after a certain amount of ammo damage)

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weapons and applying ammo effect chance (disruptor ammo for priming TB) Feb 21, 2019 16:14:55 GMT MPApr2012 and DistigousForest like this

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Post by Alfonsedode on Feb 21, 2019 16:14:55 GMT

ok, here s the best i found yesterday on fextralife:

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General consensus is that is weapon based (one of the weapon's tens of statistics not listed in Cyonan's weapon table controlling the chance to apply ammo effects - which parameter exactly and how it works nobody knows - there might actually be separate parameters for chance to set of fire/disrupt/freeze for each ammo type . More than that different enemies might have specific parameters lets call them "resistances" to the different ammo effects ) ..

Some weapons are better at applying ammo effects than others but IMO is not directly tied up to the weapon's damage per hit statistic.

From personal experience I've found valiant has a very high (not 100%) chance to apply ammo effects for example .

I actually pulled the code on this one, and it's based on the weapon's rate of fire as StunRating / BulletsPerSecond. Cryo Rounds works essentially the same way.

Although if I recall right, this is a neural shock effect meaning that shields and barriers will protect against it.

I m not even sure disruptor stunning effect on mooks, is the same as priming for TB ?

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weapons and applying ammo effect chance (disruptor ammo for priming TB) Feb 21, 2019 20:16:57 GMT MPApr2012, andy_3_913, and 3 more like this

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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Feb 21, 2019 20:16:57 GMT

Disruptor can definitely stun mooks, but I'm clueless as to the formula.

At one point, I was told that incendiary primes on a delay, with the delay being shorter with each incremental level of the ammo. In my experience, this seems to be true. Incendiary IV seems to prime in a reliably short time frame, while level I ammo takes longer on average.

It also seems to be true that the weapon makes a difference. The Graal, GPS and Acolyte are all very reliable for priming with a short window.

But I've never seen a chart or anything with numbers.

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weapons and applying ammo effect chance (disruptor ammo for priming TB) Feb 22, 2019 4:19:50 GMT MPApr2012, andy_3_913, and 4 more like this

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Post by larsdt on Feb 22, 2019 4:19:50 GMT

I haven't seen any method to determine priming in-game so I guess you have to rely on personal experience (like pedro). It doesn't even explain how the Scorpion primes on direct fire. The Valiant is indeed a good primer no matter if you hip fire or scope.

The most reliable primer imo is the Reegar (and probably why it's OP). It's actually hard to fire 2 shots or less with it. Even so it seems to prime armor or non-shielded enemies immediately every time with inc IV ammo, making it easy to exploit the inc glitch.

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weapons and applying ammo effect chance (disruptor ammo for priming TB) Feb 22, 2019 21:55:20 GMT MPApr2012, Jeremiah12LGeek, and 3 more like this

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Post by capn233 on Feb 22, 2019 21:55:20 GMT

Feb 21, 2019 16:14:55 GMT Alfonsedode said:

ok, here s the best i found yesterday on fextralife:

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Cyonan
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I actually pulled the code on this one, and it's based on the weapon's rate of fire as StunRating / BulletsPerSecond. Cryo Rounds works essentially the same way.

Although if I recall right, this is a neural shock effect meaning that shields and barriers will protect against it.

I m not even sure disruptor stunning effect on mooks, is the same as priming for TB ?

Basically the same.

Chance = AmmoRating / BulletsPerSecond

BulletsPerSecond is basically the ROF/60 but is ROF/60*8 for shotguns.

Disruptor and Cryo Ammo are the chance based ones, Incendiary is dot damage based.

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weapons and applying ammo effect chance (disruptor ammo for priming TB) Feb 23, 2019 8:13:51 GMT MPApr2012, capn233, and 2 more like this

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Post by Alfonsedode on Feb 23, 2019 8:13:51 GMT

Feb 22, 2019 21:55:20 GMT capn233 said:

Feb 21, 2019 16:14:55 GMT Alfonsedode said:

ok, here s the best i found yesterday on fextralife:

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I m not even sure disruptor stunning effect on mooks, is the same as priming for TB ?

Basically the same.

Chance = AmmoRating / BulletsPerSecond

BulletsPerSecond is basically the ROF/60 but is ROF/60*8 for shotguns.

Disruptor and Cryo Ammo are the chance based ones, Incendiary is dot damage based.

and ammorating is like 15% for DIs Ammo 1 and so one ?

Chance is for one pellet application ?

so it s not depending on the weapon at all ?

my brain is unfuncionnal atm, so that prob * second / pellets doesnt make sense

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weapons and applying ammo effect chance (disruptor ammo for priming TB) Feb 23, 2019 15:23:06 GMT MPApr2012, capn233, and 3 more like this

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Post by BlackMage on Feb 23, 2019 15:23:06 GMT

Feb 23, 2019 8:13:51 GMT Alfonsedode said:

Feb 22, 2019 21:55:20 GMT capn233 said:

Basically the same.

Chance = AmmoRating / BulletsPerSecond

BulletsPerSecond is basically the ROF/60 but is ROF/60*8 for shotguns.

Disruptor and Cryo Ammo are the chance based ones, Incendiary is dot damage based.

and ammorating is like 15% for DIs Ammo 1 and so one ?

Chance is for one pellet application ?

so it s not depending on the weapon at all ?

my brain is unfuncionnal atm, so that prob * second / pellets doesnt make sense

Weapon determines ROF so slow firing weapons have a higher chance of priming per shot. On a per second basis, no difference in chance based on ROF (taking into account reload time). Above based on capn233's explanation.

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weapons and applying ammo effect chance (disruptor ammo for priming TB) Feb 24, 2019 1:49:17 GMT MPApr2012, Alfonsedode, and 3 more like this

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Post by capn233 on Feb 24, 2019 1:49:17 GMT

^ Yeah that's it.

Think of the ammo rating like the base chance to prime, and then it is adjusted based on rate of fire. Shotguns multiply by 8 because they fire 8 at a time (not all actually do, but this is a per class thing) and it is in fact per - hit based.

Oh and Incendiary DOT needed to prime is 30 damage.

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