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Post by Beregond5 on Nov 6, 2016 16:03:43 GMT
Yeah... it's horrible how hopeless he became after what happened with Rinna. It's one of the reasons I can't kill him after that ambush happens. And the more I hear him joking, when it's clear that it's a facade, it makes me wish there was a choice the Warden could hug him. 
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 21:15:48 GMT
I just noticed this thread and I'm glad to see it. I loved Zev and thought he was a real sweetheart.He's my favorite DAO romance and I always have to take him up on his offer in DA2. That whole "Are you gonna tie me up, gag me and manhandle me' or take me to nuncio line makes chuckle everytime.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 21:27:22 GMT
Zevran was, in part, the reason I bought the game. The first time I saw him - and my first contact with Origins, in fact - was through someone's playthrough over at youtube. My first thought upon seeing him and hearing him in the cutscene was 'They're taking the Inigo Montoya/Puss-In-Boots route... and I love it!  '. So the playthrough continued on till the ambush and then the player, after talking to him for a while... up and executed him and all I could do was watch and think 'Why would you do that?!' So I went over to Wiki to see what would have happened if he had been recruited, and I really loved where it went with it - and the rest of the info was really interesting as well - so I figured it's a game that I really have to play myself. I have written 3 stories featuring him, but they're old, and they need extreme polishing. I'll see if I can set them up at the weekend. Till then, here's some fanart.  Source: linkI always think Antonio Banderas when I hear Zev talk, I love how much personality he was given by his voice actor. He's a very complex character and it's well displayed in his voice.
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Post by kalasaurus on Nov 8, 2016 3:35:32 GMT
I ~finally~ feel satisfied with my Warden. Alina Tabris: She's in Ostagar now! Watch out, Zevran 
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Post by rowrow on Nov 10, 2016 15:21:17 GMT
So, I'm curious. Those who romanced Zev with female Wardens. Elf, human, or dwarf?
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Post by phoray on Nov 10, 2016 16:14:08 GMT
So, I'm curious. Those who romanced Zev with female Wardens. Elf, human, or dwarf? I'd romance him with any warden but a human noble. Maybe not even a human Amell. I have romanced him with Surana and loved it. I've seen enough Zev Dwarf art to find it amazingly adorable as well.
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Post by phoray on Nov 10, 2016 19:55:04 GMT
So, I'm curious. Those who romanced Zev with female Wardens. Elf, human, or dwarf? I'd romance him with any warden but a human noble. Maybe not even a human Amell. I have romanced him with Surana and loved it. I've seen enough Zev Dwarf art to find it amazingly adorable as well. I wanted to add why I thought so. Zevran comes from Antiva, where nobles not liked by other nobles were assassinated/murdered on a weekly basis. He took part in this, even tells you a "funny story" about it. One can head canon all sorts of things, but off hand, I'd say he'd shrug off the Human Noble's family murder as "normal" and not be very sympathetic. Maybe he'd be sad at your sadness if you got him to care enough, but still. Can't shake that, in the back of his mind, that whole event is just how the world works.
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Post by rowrow on Nov 10, 2016 21:10:18 GMT
I'd romance him with any warden but a human noble. Maybe not even a human Amell. I have romanced him with Surana and loved it. I've seen enough Zev Dwarf art to find it amazingly adorable as well. I wanted to add why I thought so. Zevran comes from Antiva, where nobles not liked by other nobles were assassinated/murdered on a weekly basis. He took part in this, even tells you a "funny story" about it. One can head canon all sorts of things, but off hand, I'd say he'd shrug off the Human Noble's family murder as "normal" and not be very sympathetic. Maybe he'd be sad at your sadness if you got him to care enough, but still. Can't shake that, in the back of his mind, that whole event is just how the world works. Yeah Zev's not usually moralistic in a general way, I feel. He's a bit too cynical for that. I think he'd be sad for your loss if he cared about you, yes. I think the same goes for the other origins and their respective tragedies, though I suppose he might be more sympathetic to city elves. So, Surana but not Amell? Why not?
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Post by Catilina on Nov 11, 2016 0:11:04 GMT
I wanted to add why I thought so. Zevran comes from Antiva, where nobles not liked by other nobles were assassinated/murdered on a weekly basis. He took part in this, even tells you a "funny story" about it. One can head canon all sorts of things, but off hand, I'd say he'd shrug off the Human Noble's family murder as "normal" and not be very sympathetic. Maybe he'd be sad at your sadness if you got him to care enough, but still. Can't shake that, in the back of his mind, that whole event is just how the world works. Yeah Zev's not usually moralistic in a general way, I feel. He's a bit too cynical for that. I think he'd be sad for your loss if he cared about you, yes. I think the same goes for the other origins and their respective tragedies, though I suppose he might be more sympathetic to city elves. So, Surana but not Amell? Why not? I romanced Zevran with male, but I dont see any reason against Amell. Surana and Amell rather Circle Mages, than city elf/noble, if they were taken into the Circle in their childhood, as I see.
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Post by phoray on Nov 11, 2016 2:03:35 GMT
I wanted to add why I thought so. Zevran comes from Antiva, where nobles not liked by other nobles were assassinated/murdered on a weekly basis. He took part in this, even tells you a "funny story" about it. One can head canon all sorts of things, but off hand, I'd say he'd shrug off the Human Noble's family murder as "normal" and not be very sympathetic. Maybe he'd be sad at your sadness if you got him to care enough, but still. Can't shake that, in the back of his mind, that whole event is just how the world works. Yeah Zev's not usually moralistic in a general way, I feel. He's a bit too cynical for that. I think he'd be sad for your loss if he cared about you, yes. I think the same goes for the other origins and their respective tragedies, though I suppose he might be more sympathetic to city elves. So, Surana but not Amell? Why not? Well, Mahariel's origin is rather outside the normal. Friend/lover absorbed by a magic mirror that simultaneously tainted you is not exactly "just another day in Thedas." When it comes to the city elf origin, I can almost see Zevran as like a pre Justice Anders. He doesn't like it, but nothing to be done. City elf may be the type to try to fight against the system, and inspire Zevran to do so as well. I don't know as much about Brosca, and don't want t spoiled, but seems they could sort of bond over being forced into a life they both didn't want due to birth. I'm biased about Surana, because the Surana I crafted fell for Zevran by no intention of my own. She was, on the surface, cold and deadly and kept telling herself she was willing to do anything for freedom. She devoted herself to the study of magic in the Circle so she could get travel rights. By lack of free time, and lack of interest in those present, she has no experience in the romance department, although bad things had been done to her by a now dead templar when she first arrived there.She was targeted specifically because she was an elf. Because she'd been stand offish and hard edge, boys in the circle were too afraid to even approach her. Jowan, a brother figure, was her only source of affection. And then there was Zevran, his life literally in her hands, calling her a sex goddess; also acting like he was cold and deadly when he wasn't trying to charm your pants off of you. He likes "dangerous things" like the Warden. Both disenchanted of the Dalish through personal experience. I don't know, it was odd, because I'd heard his flirt lines with two other wardens, but when he did it with this Character, she was just ...whew! And when he finally proposed, her line about how she was no wiser in love than he was was so very true. It was a great romantic story arc for me. I don't like Aeducan as an origin, so I won't comment on that and already shared thoughts on human noble. So, Amell. Used to be a snot nosed noble until their silver spoon was taken by fate. I dunno. It may just be that I prefer Zevran, who is a minority to be with another minority although we all know he doesn't care.
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Post by melbella on Nov 11, 2016 2:40:35 GMT
So, I'm curious. Those who romanced Zev with female Wardens. Elf, human, or dwarf?
I think I've romanced him with all of them, actually: city elf, casteless dwarf, and both elf and human mage. No real preference.
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I've romanced him with human and elf, I've only played a dwarf once and I romanced Alister with her.
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Post by rowrow on Nov 11, 2016 5:24:13 GMT
Yeah Zev's not usually moralistic in a general way, I feel. He's a bit too cynical for that. I think he'd be sad for your loss if he cared about you, yes. I think the same goes for the other origins and their respective tragedies, though I suppose he might be more sympathetic to city elves. So, Surana but not Amell? Why not? I romanced Zevran with male, but I dont see any reason against Amell. Surana and Amell rather Circle Mages, than city elf/noble, if they were taken into the Circle in their childhood, as I see. Yeah, I always figured Surana and Amell had more in common than not - the Circle's supposed egalitarianism and all. It would depend on what age they were taken by the templars. I always headcanon about age 4-5. Older, for an angstier Warden.
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Post by rowrow on Nov 11, 2016 5:26:59 GMT
So, I'm curious. Those who romanced Zev with female Wardens. Elf, human, or dwarf?
I think I've romanced him with all of them, actually: city elf, casteless dwarf, and both elf and human mage. No real preference.
Personally I find it really hard to romance the same character with a different PC. Actually, I find alternate playthroughs difficult in general. I start a lot but never finish because somewhere in the back of my mind I'm like 'I've been here before, and that's not how it really happened." Not to mention characters have a mind of their own. That's why to this day I've still never seen the end of the Alistair romance.
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Post by rowrow on Nov 11, 2016 5:41:59 GMT
I'm biased about Surana, because the Surana I crafted fell for Zevran by no intention of my own. She was, on the surface, cold and deadly and kept telling herself she was willing to do anything for freedom. She devoted herself to the study of magic in the Circle so she could get travel rights. By lack of free time, and lack of interest in those present, she has no experience in the romance department, although bad things had been done to her by a now dead templar when she first arrived there.She was targeted specifically because she was an elf. Because she'd been stand offish and hard edge, boys in the circle were too afraid to even approach her. Jowan, a brother figure, was her only source of affection. And then there was Zevran, his life literally in her hands, calling her a sex goddess; also acting like he was cold and deadly when he wasn't trying to charm your pants off of you. He likes "dangerous things" like the Warden. Both disenchanted of the Dalish through personal experience. I don't know, it was odd, because I'd heard his flirt lines with two other wardens, but when he did it with this Character, she was just ...whew! And when he finally proposed, her line about how she was no wiser in love than he was was so very true. It was a great romantic story arc for me. Characters do have a mind of their own, don't they? Poor Alistair. The one human noble I created specifically to marry him ended up hating him almost on sight So, Amell. Used to be a snot nosed noble until their silver spoon was taken by fate. I dunno. It may just be that I prefer Zevran, who is a minority to be with another minority although we all know he doesn't care. I think it makes sense for Zevran to connect with an outsider - but then I also feel that every Warden story is an outsider story. In some cases, such as elf Mage, they're double or even triple outsiders - Surana is an elf, a mage, as well as a Circle reject. Every Warden, even the nobles, get thrown rudely out of their normal circumstances, and as far as they know at first, it's forever. Human Cousland probably has it the easiest, since they still retain some respect among the nobles they meet and can cling to the idea that they'll get it all back some day. But this largely depends on their personality too. I don't see Zev being happy with anyone who clings angrily to their lost privilege, for instance, or who is an ass about elves/mages.
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Post by phoray on Nov 11, 2016 16:17:00 GMT
I think I've romanced him with all of them, actually: city elf, casteless dwarf, and both elf and human mage. No real preference.
Personally I find it really hard to romance the same character with a different PC. Actually, I find alternate playthroughs difficult in general. I start a lot but never finish because somewhere in the back of my mind I'm like 'I've been here before, and that's not how it really happened." Not to mention characters have a mind of their own. That's why to this day I've still never seen the end of the Alistair romance. With 6 Origins and only 4 LIs, how does Alistair get left alone if you never romance the same LI twice?
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Post by phoray on Nov 11, 2016 16:22:19 GMT
! So, Amell. Used to be a snot nosed noble until their silver spoon was taken by fate. I dunno. It may just be that I prefer Zevran, who is a minority to be with another minority although we all know he doesn't care. I think it makes sense for Zevran to connect with an outsider - but then I also feel that every Warden story is an outsider story. In some cases, such as elf Mage, they're double or even triple outsiders - Surana is an elf, a mage, as well as a Circle reject. Every Warden, even the nobles, get thrown rudely out of their normal circumstances, and as far as they know at first, it's forever. Human Cousland probably has it the easiest, since they still retain some respect among the nobles they meet and can cling to the idea that they'll get it all back some day. But this largely depends on their personality too. I don't see Zev being happy with anyone who clings angrily to their lost privilege, for instance, or who is an ass about elves/mages. True enough. And maybe I feel like the Cousland story is all about revenge and a chance at becoming King/Queen and doesn't leave much space for anyone to be anything but a romantic side piece. I have a Warden that will choose to be mistress, but we have to manipulate Leliana and Zevran into that position to accept such a move with no honest discussion about it. Obviously if people have a Cousland who isn't seeking the throne, that problem doesn't crop up. But for me, Cousland = King/queen
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Post by rowrow on Nov 11, 2016 16:44:09 GMT
Personally I find it really hard to romance the same character with a different PC. Actually, I find alternate playthroughs difficult in general. I start a lot but never finish because somewhere in the back of my mind I'm like 'I've been here before, and that's not how it really happened." Not to mention characters have a mind of their own. That's why to this day I've still never seen the end of the Alistair romance. With 6 Origins and only 4 LIs, how does Alistair get left alone if you never romance the same LI twice? Um. Because I'm one of those people who only ever finished the game with one character? So I've only played one romance (Zevran's) all the way to the end. I've played all the origins as far as Ostagar, and some beyond, but I've only ever finished the entire game with my 'main' Warden, who I got so attached to I actually played through her story more than once. I had two or three other characters who I tried to romance Alistair with, but I think the furthest I ever got was tent time. Like I said, I have trouble with alternate playthroughs and tend to lose interest eventually. I know how Alistair's romance can end, from what I've read online, but I've never seen it for myself. Same goes for Lels and Morrigan.
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Post by phoray on Nov 11, 2016 16:59:30 GMT
With 6 Origins and only 4 LIs, how does Alistair get left alone if you never romance the same LI twice? Um. Because I'm one of those people who only ever finished the game with one character? So I've only played one romance (Zevran's) all the way to the end. I've played all the origins as far as Ostagar, and some beyond, but I've only ever finished the entire game with my 'main' Warden, who I got so attached to I actually played through her story more than once. I had two or three other characters who I tried to romance Alistair with, but I think the furthest I ever got was tent time. Like I said, I have trouble with alternate playthroughs and tend to lose interest eventually. I know how Alistair's romance can end, from what I've read online, but I've never seen it for myself. Same goes for Lels and Morrigan. Ooooooooooo. Yes, I understand, I've heard about players that play that way. I'm rather attached to my Wardens as well, to the point I'm going to spend time writing and doing digital art to make a comic book to include all my favorites. I've also ditched some characters. Male Dalish, an evil Hawke, and a wishy washy elf Quiz. And your Warden is what origin?
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Post by rowrow on Nov 11, 2016 17:04:45 GMT
Um. Because I'm one of those people who only ever finished the game with one character? So I've only played one romance (Zevran's) all the way to the end. I've played all the origins as far as Ostagar, and some beyond, but I've only ever finished the entire game with my 'main' Warden, who I got so attached to I actually played through her story more than once. I had two or three other characters who I tried to romance Alistair with, but I think the furthest I ever got was tent time. Like I said, I have trouble with alternate playthroughs and tend to lose interest eventually. I know how Alistair's romance can end, from what I've read online, but I've never seen it for myself. Same goes for Lels and Morrigan. Ooooooooooo. Yes, I understand, I've heard about players that play that way. I'm rather attached to my Wardens as well, to the point I'm going to spend time writing and doing digital art to make a comic book to include all my favorites. I've also ditched some characters. Male Dalish, an evil Hawke, and a wishy washy elf Quiz. And your Warden is what origin? Human Mage I love maging in Origins. Fireballs 24/7!
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Post by phoray on Nov 11, 2016 17:55:19 GMT
Ooooooooooo. Yes, I understand, I've heard about players that play that way. I'm rather attached to my Wardens as well, to the point I'm going to spend time writing and doing digital art to make a comic book to include all my favorites. I've also ditched some characters. Male Dalish, an evil Hawke, and a wishy washy elf Quiz. And your Warden is what origin? Human Mage I love maging in Origins. Fireballs 24/7! Haha explains why you were asking "why not Amell?"
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Post by rowrow on Nov 11, 2016 18:53:26 GMT
Human Mage I love maging in Origins. Fireballs 24/7! Haha explains why you were asking "why not Amell?" Lol, partly. It's not that I think everyone's favourite origin should be the same as mine!  You mentioned you'd pair him with Surana but not Amell, and to my mind both had more in common than not, at least in the confines of the Circle. But of course that wouldn't be the case once outside the Tower, in that they wouldn't be treated the same by others. I don't know if the difference would significantly affect their interactions with Zevran, though. I guess it depends on your Warden's character. I'll say about my Amell that her common ground with Zev was that they both grew up in environments that were not very 'child-friendly' and that somewhat skewed their view of the world. They had a similar baseline level of cynicism about human nature that Alistair, for instance, wouldn't have understood. Growing up with the ever-present possibility of death will do that to you. I don't think my Amell expected the worst quite as much as Zev, but she was never surprised by it either.
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Post by phoray on Nov 11, 2016 19:04:57 GMT
Haha explains why you were asking "why not Amell?" Lol, partly. It's not that I think everyone's favourite origin should be the same as mine!  You mentioned you'd pair him with Surana but not Amell, and to my mind both had more in common than not, at least in the confines of the Circle. But of course that wouldn't be the case once outside the Tower, in that they wouldn't be treated the same by others. I don't know if the difference would significantly affect their interactions with Zevran, though. I guess it depends on your Warden's character. I'll say about my Amell that her common ground with Zev was that they both grew up in environments that were not very 'child-friendly' and that somewhat skewed their view of the world. They had a similar baseline level of cynicism about human nature that Alistair, for instance, wouldn't have understood. Growing up with the ever-present possibility of death will do that to you. I don't think my Amell expected the worst quite as much as Zev, but she was never surprised by it either. Duncan will ask if Surana has been treated differently in the Circle due to being an elf. I know the DA books, where there were elven mages, it was implied that they weren't treated any differently. That the Circle and the Wardens were the only places in human society where an elf was an elf and not a knife ear. But if treatment of mages could vary so drastically from tower to tower, such a statement can't be a given, especially when the lines are provided by the game itself to say Surana could have been mistreated. And Th Fereldan tower was considered one of the weak sauce ones. Where mages like Anders could cause problems 10 different ways and still didn't get made tranquil. So, I just find it unlikely that Amell really faced the possibility of death/tranquility every day.
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Post by rowrow on Nov 11, 2016 19:38:11 GMT
Lol, partly. It's not that I think everyone's favourite origin should be the same as mine!  You mentioned you'd pair him with Surana but not Amell, and to my mind both had more in common than not, at least in the confines of the Circle. But of course that wouldn't be the case once outside the Tower, in that they wouldn't be treated the same by others. I don't know if the difference would significantly affect their interactions with Zevran, though. I guess it depends on your Warden's character. I'll say about my Amell that her common ground with Zev was that they both grew up in environments that were not very 'child-friendly' and that somewhat skewed their view of the world. They had a similar baseline level of cynicism about human nature that Alistair, for instance, wouldn't have understood. Growing up with the ever-present possibility of death will do that to you. I don't think my Amell expected the worst quite as much as Zev, but she was never surprised by it either. Duncan will ask if Surana has been treated differently in the Circle due to being an elf. I know the DA books, where there were elven mages, it was implied that they weren't treated any differently. That the Circle and the Wardens were the only places in human society where an elf was an elf and not a knife ear. But if treatment of mages could vary so drastically from tower to tower, such a statement can't be a given, especially when the lines are provided by the game itself to say Surana could have been mistreated. And Th Fereldan tower was considered one of the weak sauce ones. Where mages like Anders could cause problems 10 different ways and still didn't get made tranquil. So, I just find it unlikely that Amell really faced the possibility of death/tranquility every day. I'm not arguing for, or even proposing, a definitive version of the Circle Tower. My lore-fu isn't up to that, firstly. Secondly, my entrypoint and main interest into these games is always my character, so I tend to fill in details around that, because of how I think they shape the character I'm playing. That interests me. The Magi Origin story always had this not-quite-explicit layer of horror over it and I wanted to know how that would shape a person. Your good friend is threatened by Tranquility, and there are Tranquils all around the tower, and what does that presence do to a growing child's mind? How does it affect the kind of leader she later becomes? Sure, one could argue that she had a relatively easy time of it in the tower. If I wanted I could also headcanon that my Warden spent all her time with her head in books, ignorant of the Circle's evils. But that doesn't result in a character I want to play.
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