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Post by phoray on Nov 12, 2016 0:27:32 GMT
Duncan will ask if Surana has been treated differently in the Circle due to being an elf. I know the DA books, where there were elven mages, it was implied that they weren't treated any differently. That the Circle and the Wardens were the only places in human society where an elf was an elf and not a knife ear. But if treatment of mages could vary so drastically from tower to tower, such a statement can't be a given, especially when the lines are provided by the game itself to say Surana could have been mistreated. And Th Fereldan tower was considered one of the weak sauce ones. Where mages like Anders could cause problems 10 different ways and still didn't get made tranquil. So, I just find it unlikely that Amell really faced the possibility of death/tranquility every day. I'm not arguing for, or even proposing, a definitive version of the Circle Tower. My lore-fu isn't up to that, firstly. Secondly, my entrypoint and main interest into these games is always my character, so I tend to fill in details around that, because of how I think they shape the character I'm playing. That interests me. The Magi Origin story always had this not-quite-explicit layer of horror over it and I wanted to know how that would shape a person. Your good friend is threatened by Tranquility, and there are Tranquils all around the tower, and what does that presence do to a growing child's mind? How does it affect the kind of leader she later becomes? Sure, one could argue that she had a relatively easy time of it in the tower. If I wanted I could also headcanon that my Warden spent all her time with her head in books, ignorant of the Circle's evils. But that doesn't result in a character I want to play. Sorry, I wasn't trying to argue. I guess I was explaining my perspective so that you could explain yours. I read the "What did you do in DA today?" thread. So, I enjoy interacting with the game through other people's interactions with it as well. The Fereldan Magi tower does have a layer or horror to it, but not in that I thought they mages would be randomly tranquilized. There are two apprentices talking about a 3rd apprentice. The 3rd had decided to voluntarily become tranquil rather than deal with the big unknown that was The Harrowing. And all because someone, it's never explained who, decided the whole thing should be a big giant dark secret. Like... wtf, Irving, and every First enchanter before him. What is even the point of that. The secrecy does not help the deeply entrenched paranoia. Anyway, the way you play your character is interesting, but just like I struggle SUPER HARD to find the Dalish to be interesting and cool, I don't find the Amell origin interesting except for it's connection to Hawke, and that's not enough to get me going. My favorite origin is city elf, so city elf mage being my 2nd favorite was not surprise.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Nov 12, 2016 2:13:31 GMT
goo.gl/images/WX0HceWould have liked to have typed this out but I'm on my phone. A dead man doesn't need shoes. Poor ZEVRAN. Phoray, why  whyyyyyyy!!! I came to the thread for happiness and I found despair. DESPAIR! *sobs in a corner* I ~finally~ feel satisfied with my Warden. Alina Tabris: She's in Ostagar now! Watch out, Zevran She looks great, kalasaurus! I was looking at her picture, trying to figure out what celebrity she reminded me of, and then I got it. Mila Kunis! Right? Or is it just me?  So, I'm curious. Those who romanced Zev with female Wardens. Elf, human, or dwarf? Tabris for the win!!! Yeah Zev's not usually moralistic in a general way, I feel. He's a bit too cynical for that. I think he'd be sad for your loss if he cared about you, yes. I think the same goes for the other origins and their respective tragedies, though I suppose he might be more sympathetic to city elves. So, Surana but not Amell? Why not? Well, Mahariel's origin is rather outside the normal. Friend/lover absorbed by a magic mirror that simultaneously tainted you is not exactly "just another day in Thedas." When it comes to the city elf origin, I can almost see Zevran as like a pre Justice Anders. He doesn't like it, but nothing to be done. City elf may be the type to try to fight against the system, and inspire Zevran to do so as well. I don't know as much about Brosca, and don't want t spoiled, but seems they could sort of bond over being forced into a life they both didn't want due to birth. I'm biased about Surana, because the Surana I crafted fell for Zevran by no intention of my own. She was, on the surface, cold and deadly and kept telling herself she was willing to do anything for freedom. She devoted herself to the study of magic in the Circle so she could get travel rights. By lack of free time, and lack of interest in those present, she has no experience in the romance department, although bad things had been done to her by a now dead templar when she first arrived there.She was targeted specifically because she was an elf. Because she'd been stand offish and hard edge, boys in the circle were too afraid to even approach her. Jowan, a brother figure, was her only source of affection. And then there was Zevran, his life literally in her hands, calling her a sex goddess; also acting like he was cold and deadly when he wasn't trying to charm your pants off of you. He likes "dangerous things" like the Warden. Both disenchanted of the Dalish through personal experience. I don't know, it was odd, because I'd heard his flirt lines with two other wardens, but when he did it with this Character, she was just ...whew! And when he finally proposed, her line about how she was no wiser in love than he was was so very true. It was a great romantic story arc for me. I don't like Aeducan as an origin, so I won't comment on that and already shared thoughts on human noble. So, Amell. Used to be a snot nosed noble until their silver spoon was taken by fate. I dunno. It may just be that I prefer Zevran, who is a minority to be with another minority although we all know he doesn't care. So mean  I myself am biased towards underdog origins, but I don't think the noble origins are any less badarse!
I think I've romanced him with all of them, actually: city elf, casteless dwarf, and both elf and human mage. No real preference.
Personally I find it really hard to romance the same character with a different PC. Actually, I find alternate playthroughs difficult in general. I start a lot but never finish because somewhere in the back of my mind I'm like 'I've been here before, and that's not how it really happened." Not to mention characters have a mind of their own. That's why to this day I've still never seen the end of the Alistair romance. Same! While I come up with multiple play throughs and who my character will romance in my mind, and even start them, I can only ever play through a romance with one of my characters! I also have trouble completing multiple play throughs, even though I'll replay the same character over again if I really like her!
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Post by rowrow on Nov 12, 2016 6:39:31 GMT
Sorry, I wasn't trying to argue. I guess I was explaining my perspective so that you could explain yours. I read the "What did you do in DA today?" thread. So, I enjoy interacting with the game through other people's interactions with it as well. The Fereldan Magi tower does have a layer or horror to it, but not in that I thought they mages would be randomly tranquilized. There are two apprentices talking about a 3rd apprentice. The 3rd had decided to voluntarily become tranquil rather than deal with the big unknown that was The Harrowing. And all because someone, it's never explained who, decided the whole thing should be a big giant dark secret. Like... wtf, Irving, and every First enchanter before him. What is even the point of that. The secrecy does not help the deeply entrenched paranoia. Anyway, the way you play your character is interesting, but just like I struggle SUPER HARD to find the Dalish to be interesting and cool, I don't find the Amell origin interesting except for it's connection to Hawke, and that's not enough to get me going. My favorite origin is city elf, so city elf mage being my 2nd favorite was not surprise. It's all good. I also love learning about how other people's characters affect their experience of the story and world. My Amell was my first 'real' character, so she definitely coloured my view of Thedas from the start. Right off the bat, you're told that the Circle is where you grew up. You're thrown into the Fade to fight demons and avoid being possessed, all while knowing templars are standing by ready to gut you if you fail. Then you wake up and hear people talking about Tranquility like it's a normal fact of life. I was like, WTF, this world is seriously messed-up. Later on I realised the mage existence is also one that most of Thedas didn't want to know about (as is the case with elves). So yeah, while Thedas politics/culture is really interesting, the mage question and the largely unacknowledged horror of mage lives is always just sort of there for me. My Hawke was also a mage, so I doubled down on that worldview for a bit, and of course it got desperately depressing by the end of DA2. So I went Dalish in DAI and I'm glad I did because that's a whole new window into Thedas, and there's a lot of elven history in DAI.
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Post by kalasaurus on Nov 12, 2016 6:45:16 GMT
I got to Zevran's romance. Had a weird bug where Morrigan wouldn't leave her tent, so, uh...  Anyway, here they are 
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Nov 13, 2016 1:19:26 GMT
I got to Zevran's romance. Had a weird bug where Morrigan wouldn't leave her tent, so, uh...  Anyway, here they are  Zevran with black hair! I've never seen that before!  I dare say it makes him look more roguish!
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Post by pensieve on Nov 13, 2016 10:21:45 GMT
I got to Zevran's romance as well  For the first time ever, usually I never get his approval high enough and he betrays me. So now I want to make sure that doesn't happen. His approval is at 100 right now and I want to keep it that way. So are there things I should definitely avoid from now on? Things that will make him disapprove?
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Nov 13, 2016 13:39:54 GMT
I got to Zevran's romance as well  For the first time ever, usually I never get his approval high enough and he betrays me. So now I want to make sure that doesn't happen. His approval is at 100 right now and I want to keep it that way. So are there things I should definitely avoid from now on? Things that will make him disapprove? I know Zevran likes choices that positively effect elves. You can rack up approval by shamelessly flirting with him and listening to his stories without judging him or coming off as pitying. If you haven't already, you should get his two story gifts-- Dalish gloves and Antivan boots  and of course you can spam his approval bar with silver and gold. It's been awhile, but I think he's pro Branka making golems, but don't quote me on that.
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Post by phoray on Nov 13, 2016 14:22:57 GMT
I got to Zevran's romance as well  For the first time ever, usually I never get his approval high enough and he betrays me. So now I want to make sure that doesn't happen. His approval is at 100 right now and I want to keep it that way. So are there things I should definitely avoid from now on? Things that will make him disapprove? I know Zevran likes choices that positively effect elves. You can rack up approval by shamelessly flirting with him and listening to his stories without judging him or coming off as pitying. If you haven't already, you should get his two story gifts-- Dalish gloves and Antivan boots  and of course you can spam his approval bar with silver and gold. It's been awhile, but I think he's pro Branka making golems, but don't quote me on that. Unless you're playing gift free, I think you'll be fine. You can even sleep with him for 1-5 points of approval each.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Nov 13, 2016 17:03:01 GMT
I know Zevran likes choices that positively effect elves. You can rack up approval by shamelessly flirting with him and listening to his stories without judging him or coming off as pitying. If you haven't already, you should get his two story gifts-- Dalish gloves and Antivan boots  and of course you can spam his approval bar with silver and gold. It's been awhile, but I think he's pro Branka making golems, but don't quote me on that. Unless you're playing gift free, I think you'll be fine. You can even sleep with him for 1-5 points of approval each. I think Zevran is the most neutral of your companions in Origins (or maybe Oghren? I don't remember him caring too much about what my Warden did). You can get away with playing an arsehole, a boyscout, or just a person after her own interests, and still be on good terms with him. As Phoray said, going without gifts might keep you low. Annoying him in conversations will also rack up negative approval  my only low approval Zevran play throughs were ones were I got on his nerves on purpose and one where I didn't talk to him enough!
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Post by pensieve on Nov 13, 2016 18:25:48 GMT
In my playthroughs he always turned on me  Though I never talked to him much and I never gave him his specific gifts. What level does his approval need to be for him not to betray you?
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Post by phoray on Nov 13, 2016 19:11:09 GMT
Does anyone have a romantic song in mind for Zevran? I've been trying to think of one that suited him.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 13, 2016 19:39:15 GMT
In my playthroughs he always turned on me  Though I never talked to him much and I never gave him his specific gifts. What level does his approval need to be for him not to betray you? ~75-80? But that's easy, he likes gold (and precious metal) bars, and yes, he need some care, just as the others. (And true, he appreciate sex.) If you have enough approval, he will not turned against Warden, just leave from group (he don't want to kill his ex-boyfriend), but if you have more (I dont know, how much... 90%? or 100?), he will stay and fight against him.
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Post by rowrow on Nov 14, 2016 7:53:54 GMT
Does anyone have a romantic song in mind for Zevran? I've been trying to think of one that suited him. No suggestions. But Rogue Heart from the DA2 soundtrack always makes me think of Zevran rather than any of the DA2 romances. I think it's because it's hopeful and tender, but there's also this sadness and hesitancy mixed in with it.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Nov 14, 2016 15:36:16 GMT
Does anyone have a romantic song in mind for Zevran? I've been trying to think of one that suited him. I thought Hercule's I Won't Say I'm In Love, but after listening to it I can't help but to see it as an Isabela romance song  Are you looking for a song that fits a certain point in there romance or fits Zevran's personality specifically?
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Post by phoray on Nov 14, 2016 15:59:54 GMT
Does anyone have a romantic song in mind for Zevran? I've been trying to think of one that suited him. I thought Hercule's I Won't Say I'm In Love, but after listening to it I can't help but to see it as an Isabela romance song  Are you looking for a song that fits a certain point in there romance or fits Zevran's personality specifically? I think, inevitably, I will end up making GMV for all my favorite romances. Starting with Fenris. But even I misunderstood Zevran the first couple of play throughs, so I'm really devoted to trying to tell his story appropriately. The fact that he came to Fereldan suicidal-- that dead men need no shoes-- and that he found a reason to live again through friendship, but especially love. But then there is that middle point of complete confusion and uncertainty where he's trying to deny his love feelings before finally embracing them. I have a song in mind for the first part. "Who wants to Live forever?" The Highlander one. It's also suitable for a fantasy world such as Thedas. I listened to two hours of different romance songs last night and what I'm running into is that most music doesn't fit Thedas. An what does seems to be like... Celtic music, which doesn't fit Zevran. I found a Spanish lullaby that sounded intriguing, but there is no crescendo, and most people wouldn't understand it-- even if they did, it'd become obvious it was a baby's lullaby. Haha. And a lot of 2016 music hits are too modern sounding. I found another song, Beneath her, that seemed to cocer the confusion part, but the music is so different from the Forever song that I'd have to give it up. So yeah. *If I were able to splice them and make a mashup, I could work with 3 songs but they can't be so drastically different
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Post by phoray on Nov 15, 2016 17:27:40 GMT
Ugh, I spent too much time just now listening to music.
I'm really liking this one for a potential.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Dec 3, 2016 19:30:51 GMT
phoray How goes the GMV making? Did you decide as a definite which song you wanted to use? And in reply to the above fan art, there's no maybe about it, Zevran 
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Post by phoray on Dec 3, 2016 21:11:56 GMT
phoray How goes the GMV making? Did you decide as a definite which song you wanted to use? And in reply to the above fan art, there's no maybe about it, Zevran  I've been studying for a career exam I'm taking in three days. So, other than phone surfing this website at work, I've hardly done any Dragon Age stuff. I just write scenes in my head. Today and last night I've been chewing on how Surana and Zevran's first time would go, considering the history I've given her. And then I've been clanking around for Arlathven information as well. But I'm pretty happy with the Warrior song I found. I'm going to splice it with the female vocalist, so it sounds more like a duet.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Dec 3, 2016 21:39:57 GMT
phoray How goes the GMV making? Did you decide as a definite which song you wanted to use? And in reply to the above fan art, there's no maybe about it, Zevran  I've been studying for a career exam I'm taking in three days. So, other than phone surfing this website at work, I've hardly done any Dragon Age stuff. I just write scenes in my head. Today and last night I've been chewing on how Surana and Zevran's first time would go, considering the history I've given her. And then I've been clanking around for Arlathven information as well. But I'm pretty happy with the Warrior song I found. I'm going to splice it with the female vocalist, so it sounds more like a duet. That sounds nice  I'm excited to see the finished project. I know this time of the year is super busy. I've been mostly on my phone on this site too, because I rarely seem to have the opportunity to procrastinate on my computer.
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Post by phoray on Dec 3, 2016 21:57:28 GMT
I've been studying for a career exam I'm taking in three days. So, other than phone surfing this website at work, I've hardly done any Dragon Age stuff. I just write scenes in my head. Today and last night I've been chewing on how Surana and Zevran's first time would go, considering the history I've given her. And then I've been clanking around for Arlathven information as well. But I'm pretty happy with the Warrior song I found. I'm going to splice it with the female vocalist, so it sounds more like a duet. That sounds nice  I'm excited to see the finished project. I know this time of the year is super busy. I've been mostly on my phone on this site too, because I rarely seem to have the opportunity toprocrastinate on my computer. I'm not busy this time of year because work keeps me from going to any of the family events in my town. And I bought everyone the same Towel set. The end.  I save my imagination for the games, I guess, and not for presents.
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Post by javeart on Dec 10, 2016 9:24:27 GMT
So, I didn't know where to say this, because it's a impression I got from different threads, and then I realized that this was probably the right place, even if it comes a little out of nowhere  The thing is I have always loved Zevran (canon LI and all that) but for many years I was under the impression that I was in a tiny minority, since I've heard a lot of gay guys complaining about being "stuck" with him, most straight women seemed to prefer Alistair and not be very interested in him and straight guys didn't even talk about him much. But lately, and after a long, long time without visiting too much the BSN, I have the impression that I was totally wrong, I see a lot of love for zevran all the time, a lot of people who have him as canon LI too or that simply thinks the character it's great and points at him as one her/his favrites in DAO, and I have to say that I'm very happy to find out that people likes him more than I thought, and that he's getting all the love he deserves, because he truly is ridiculously awesome (I've always loved when he says that after battles  ) Ok, I had to say this somewhere 
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Post by phoray on Dec 11, 2016 12:51:34 GMT
I have had a lucky week of dreams! I wake up from a particular awesome kiss scene turned almost something with Zevran. Like all dreams like these that I've ever had, someone interupts us, and we never resume the prior momentum towards the bedroom. For shame.  but I shall state for the record that it was a steamy kiss. Love my dreams this week. Wonder if Cullen will visit me soon :wub;
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Dec 13, 2016 6:14:43 GMT
So, I didn't know where to say this, because it's a impression I got from different threads, and then I realized that this was probably the right place, even if it comes a little out of nowhere  The thing is I have always loved Zevran (canon LI and all that) but for many years I was under the impression that I was in a tiny minority, since I've heard a lot of gay guys complaining about being "stuck" with him, most straight women seemed to prefer Alistair and not be very interested in him and straight guys didn't even talk about him much. But lately, and after a long, long time without visiting too much the BSN, I have the impression that I was totally wrong, I see a lot of love for zevran all the time, a lot of people who have him as canon LI too or that simply thinks the character it's great and points at him as one her/his favrites in DAO, and I have to say that I'm very happy to find out that people likes him more than I thought, and that he's getting all the love he deserves, because he truly is ridiculously awesome (I've always loved when he says that after battles  ) Ok, I had to say this somewhere  Zevran is the best! He's my favorite love interest in all of the games (and just one of my favorite characters) and he and my Tabris are my canon world, and this was after having an Alistair play through! I do generally see more Alistair love. I think he's probably favored because he's more of a traditional romance lovey-dovey sort and he offers his love and loyalty to you a lot faster than Zevran. That elf makes you work for it I have had a lucky week of dreams! I wake up from a particular awesome kiss scene turned almost something with Zevran. Like all dreams like these that I've ever had, someone interupts us, and we never resume the prior momentum towards the bedroom. For shame.  but I shall state for the record that it was a steamy kiss. Love my dreams this week. Wonder if Cullen will visit me soon :wub; Haha, I never get dreams like that. What's your Surana going to think? Edit: I snatched this up from the Solas thread where NightSymphony posted it!  Source - nary-san.deviantart.com/art/Inktober-day-31-Zevran-65069636This too!  Source - nekowork.deviantart.com/art/Dragon-Age-chibis-Army-650164491
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