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Post by KingDarious BBB on Oct 25, 2018 13:14:52 GMT
Here's the game spot review. They gave it a 9 rating, but in the comments people are acting like that's a bad thing. It has more dislikes than likes, and some are calling the girl a SJW feminist because she didn't think the game was perfect.It reactions like these that sometimes makes me ashamed to call myself a gamer.
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Post by saandrig on Oct 25, 2018 13:55:34 GMT
It's obviously a massive game that tries to do too many things at once. It's natural it won't do all of them perfectly, hence it will not get perfect scores from everyone.
From the reviews I can already spot a bunch of stuff that I consider unnecessary ingame chores which will lower my personal score of the game. I am also not into westerns and never played the first RDR, so no nostalgia or fanboyism to boost the score. If some reviewers think the same as me, they won't give a 10/10. Which by no means makes the game less worth.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 25, 2018 14:05:24 GMT
Here's the game spot review. They gave it a 9 rating, but in the comments people are acting like that's a bad thing. It has more dislikes than likes, and some are calling the girl a SJW feminist because she didn't think the game was perfect.It reactions like these that sometimes makes me ashamed to call myself a gamer. People wonder why companies seem to be ignoring what is said online when the most vocal people are like this. Its just like when people were doxxing Jim Sterling about his Breath of the Wild review being only a 7/10, but constantly saying it was fun just far from perfect. Then they act shocked or will ignore evidence that there are groups of people that don't feel the same as they do.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 25, 2018 14:09:45 GMT
It's obviously a massive game that tries to do too many things at once. It's natural it won't do all of them perfectly, hence it will not get perfect scores from everyone. From the reviews I can already spot a bunch of stuff that I consider unnecessary ingame chores which will lower my personal score of the game. I am also not into westerns and never played the first RDR, so no nostalgia or fanboyism to boost the score. If some reviewers think the same as me, they won't give a 10/10. Which by no means makes the game less worth. I read a review where they said you can feel at points where there were so many people working on the game and it does feel people were working maybe too many hours straight on the game because it at points it feels like it doesn't have focus while trying to do everything. Then you will see people attacking the review because the "amount of hours an employee chooses to work should have nothing to do with the review". While they aren't attacking the game for it, they are saying the game feels that way to them such as the expression my mom always uses too many cooks in the kitchen".
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 25, 2018 14:25:28 GMT
Source It's worth reading the replies for context.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 25, 2018 18:34:23 GMT
I'm getting an 88GB update on Xbox One. Day one patch?
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Post by Ocelot on Oct 25, 2018 19:00:33 GMT
I'm getting an 88GB update on Xbox One. Day one patch? You probably didnt install the game yet.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 25, 2018 19:10:55 GMT
You probably didnt install the game yet. Probably, I was clearing some space on my internal drive earlier, maybe that gave it a push to get downloading. Not a small game...
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Post by ashaantha on Oct 26, 2018 0:05:01 GMT
I never expect perfect reviews for games. I trust 9/10 scores more then 10/10. As no game is perfect. xD
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 26, 2018 12:34:54 GMT
well, it's mighty pretty...
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Post by slimgrin727 on Oct 27, 2018 14:37:49 GMT
One thing I hope other devs pay attention to in this game is how the sky box is active and very layered. There's almost always some environmental or lighting effect playing through the landscape. With many games it's simply LAND then SKY BOX as a back drop.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 27, 2018 17:38:39 GMT
Holy shit, stunning weather effects, my god...
I need to get the game for the scenery alone. Don't care if it's a slow game with clunky gunplay. Just riding around on horseback looking at all this will be amazing. I'll probably get it for the Christmas break. Office closes two weeks. Should be the perfect relaxation game.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 27, 2018 22:32:33 GMT
The riding about is awesome. Who needs 'fast travel'?
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Post by Kabraxal on Oct 28, 2018 1:19:15 GMT
So far just like RDR 1 for me... boring story, unlikeable characters, and lots of tedium in a. Gorgeous world. Hope it matxhes my feeling with the online version or I’ll regret this buy....
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Post by Kroitz on Oct 28, 2018 6:22:54 GMT
The riding about is awesome. Who needs 'fast travel'?
Camping in the wilderness, hunting, collecting bounties, meeting strange folks on the road and getting thown in various scenarios and missions beats the 'choo-choo' loading screen.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Oct 28, 2018 14:50:27 GMT
So, I'm not going to get this game anytime soon, since I'll likely only buy it for the PC, but here's a question to any of you who are already playing: How much control do you have on the direction of the plot and the game in general? I understand that you can play a "good guy" or a "bad guy", but what I'm curious to know is whether this is anything more than cosmetic choices that change very little. How deep is the "choices and consequences" angle? Greg Miller cited the narrative dissonance of Arthur's affable personality to continually being in situations where he's forced to play a bad guy. So for him, there was no ability to role play. Not that this isn't a thing in just about any action game but for him it was particularly frustrating because the game tries to give you agency in other ways. In the original Red Dead, I don't recall it affecting the story either. Maybe you get shop advantages or access to special weapons whether you have high or low honor.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Oct 28, 2018 14:57:29 GMT
So, I'm not going to get this game anytime soon, since I'll likely only buy it for the PC, but here's a question to any of you who are already playing: How much control do you have on the direction of the plot and the game in general? I understand that you can play a "good guy" or a "bad guy", but what I'm curious to know is whether this is anything more than cosmetic choices that change very little. How deep is the "choices and consequences" angle? Since it's not for PC, I don't have this game but I did watch some gameplay. There were situations where I thought the player would have dialogue / action choices but the conversations just auto play and you simply watch the protag go along with whatever decision / suggestion made by NPCs. I get the feeling the player don't get to 'steer' the ship, he's along for the ride, yea or nay.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 28, 2018 20:16:13 GMT
God, I hate some of the 100% mission objectives so far... couple have asked to do the mission without taking damage and X amount of headshots. Not taking damage, that's not a challenge, it's a crapshoot sometimes.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Oct 29, 2018 2:37:31 GMT
I suppose it was too much to hope for a proper RPG style in the wild-west?... Sigh. Also, considering the first game's ending, I'm going to assume that this one is also going to end on a similarly depressing note?... It's like the reverse of the "earning a good ending" trope... Meh. Not a fan personally. Well, in any case, it's going to be awhile before it comes to PC, so I suppose we'll see. I doubt PS4 exclusives get ported to PCs. If they don't want to do it, it's no lose to me. I'm happy watching gameplay / game cutscenes on Twitch or YT. I save my $$ for something else. Even if it gets ported to PC, I've no liking for depressing endings. That's what happened with FO3. I played it but the setting was depressing so I abandoned it not long after a couple of hours. When I read about the ending, I was glad I didn't bother to try too hard. Nowadays, besides checking gameplay, I also make a spoiler check about the ending. if I read anything about a bad ending, I don't buy it. I play games to feel happy, have an enjoyable time with the chars and story, not to get dumped at the end.
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Post by ashaantha on Oct 29, 2018 5:28:46 GMT
Heh over and over again I see that people mean solely "control story and character almost completely" as role playing. I like playing the role of Arthur in his story, experiencing what he's going through, his story. In the parts I can choose how blatantly cruel to others he is are a bit scattered but I'm fine with when they do pop up. I am really enjoying the game, as an rpg/exploration type game. I absolutely love all the characters, how different they are and doing jobs with them The world itself doesn't need more praise, even the water running out of the drain pipes in the city when it's raining was a stunning little detail. The fog. the weather, sun, sky. omg so awesome.
Stumbling upon all these little cabins and homesteads, exploring them. Finding things that really tug on my emotions. The background stuff happening, conversations, events, random npcs stumbled on. It all brings this world to life and I love it.
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Post by Ocelot on Oct 29, 2018 6:38:58 GMT
I suppose it was too much to hope for a proper RPG style in the wild-west?... Sigh. Also, considering the first game's ending, I'm going to assume that this one is also going to end on a similarly depressing note?... It's like the reverse of the "earning a good ending" trope... Meh. Not a fan personally. Well, in any case, it's going to be awhile before it comes to PC, so I suppose we'll see. I doubt PS4 exclusives get ported to PCs. If they don't want to do it, it's no lose to me. I'm happy watching gameplay / game cutscenes on Twitch or YT. I save my $$ for something else. Even if it gets ported to PC, I've no liking for depressing endings. That's what happened with FO3. I played it but the setting was depressing so I abandoned it not long after a couple of hours. When I read about the ending, I was glad I didn't bother to try too hard. Nowadays, besides checking gameplay, I also make a spoiler check about the ending. if I read anything about a bad ending, I don't buy it. I play games to feel happy, have an enjoyable time with the chars and story, not to get dumped at the end. Red dead 2 is not a ps4 exclusive.
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Post by Kabraxal on Oct 29, 2018 21:07:39 GMT
Heh over and over again I see that people mean solely "control story and character almost completely" as role playing. I like playing the role of Arthur in his story, experiencing what he's going through, his story. In the parts I can choose how blatantly cruel to others he is are a bit scattered but I'm fine with when they do pop up. I am really enjoying the game, as an rpg/exploration type game. The thing about a story like this with a defined and established character and only limited control, is that you either like this character or you don't. It's similar to The Witcher in that way. I can definitely understand the strengths of telling a story in this way, but on the other hand, if you don't like the character this story is about or how said character is written, then you are SOL. Again, I completely understand why this is done, the ability to tell a tighter story and react exactly to who and what the protagonist is, makes for a much more compelling and cinematic story. I don't exactly hate the idea of RDR2's story from what I know of it, but I don't really love it either. It was a similar story with GTA5 for me, I can sort of appreciate the story and characters on some level, and the gameplay was enjoyable, but nothing about that game really clicked with me. It also comes down to the types of stories told in these kind of games... If there are limited options to roleplaying and shaping the world, then the story and characters better be more than the typixal fare in storytelling today. RDR2, like TW3, is painfully cliche and grim. So it is a dud on two important fronts for me. Hoping the online is what I expect because the single player gas been a miserable experience to this point.
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Post by ashaantha on Oct 29, 2018 21:40:23 GMT
Heh over and over again I see that people mean solely "control story and character almost completely" as role playing. I like playing the role of Arthur in his story, experiencing what he's going through, his story. In the parts I can choose how blatantly cruel to others he is are a bit scattered but I'm fine with when they do pop up. I am really enjoying the game, as an rpg/exploration type game. The thing about a story like this with a defined and established character and only limited control, is that you either like this character or you don't. It's similar to The Witcher in that way. I can definitely understand the strengths of telling a story in this way, but on the other hand, if you don't like the character this story is about or how said character is written, then you are SOL. Again, I completely understand why this is done, the ability to tell a tighter story and react exactly to who and what the protagonist is, makes for a much more compelling and cinematic story. I don't exactly hate the idea of RDR2's story from what I know of it, but I don't really love it either. It was a similar story with GTA5 for me, I can sort of appreciate the story and characters on some level, and the gameplay was enjoyable, but nothing about that game really clicked with me.
I despised the Witcher 3 and GTAV, do not like their main characters or plotlines at all so I actually understand not liking a story and character set, RDR 1 and 2 just seem to be a set story bundle that I do like, nothing wrong with liking it or not. it will not be something that suits everyone, nothing suits everyone. Nothing at all. Even games where you "shape the world and character" is going to be hit and miss too as many don't offer enough choice, and many stick you into cliche personality tropes, usually out of 2-4 stereotypes (like Bioware does). My partner liked gtaV so it wasn't a waste of money, but neither of us has touched the Witcher 3 for long at all so I've been SOL a few times already in the same style of rpg.
I expected nothing different, in general style, than rdr1 I guess, I knew the kind of general story I'd be playing through and so far it's exceeded my expectations so I couldn't be happier. I feel this game kicked the first out of the ballpark, I'm not alone in that thought, just maybe in this forum I am as it's a different type of community. I haven't been this sucked into a game since DAI was released.
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Post by Kroitz on Oct 31, 2018 16:36:38 GMT
The writing and directing in this game is mesmerizing. I don't think there was even one unnatural or needlessly bloated line uttered in any of the countless conversations so far. And yes, the level of detail can't be understated (overstated. it should read overstated. Geez). There are few linear experiences that can match this level, even with closed spaces. Five tipped hats out of five so far.
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