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Post by Fogg on Feb 25, 2019 12:10:54 GMT
Eurogamer reports on the UK charts, only counting boxed games (no digital downloads). Others use low Twitch viewers as an indication that sales are going bad, or big discounts in various countries. EA expects Anthem to sell 6 million in it's first quarter. It's all guessing, because EA doesn't like talking about sales figures. If Anthem does bad, I'm pretty sure they'll keep a team on it like they did with Andromeda's multiplayer. They will still be able to make big money on microtransactions, even from one or two million players. I do worry about BioWare, Dragon Age and Mass Effect...
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 25, 2019 12:29:46 GMT
Eurogamer reports on the UK charts, only counting boxed games (no digital downloads). Others use low Twitch viewers as an indication that sales are going bad, or big discounts in various countries. EA expects Anthem to sell 6 million in it's first quarter. It's all guessing, because EA doesn't like talking about sales figures. If Anthem does bad, I'm pretty sure they'll keep a team on it like they did with Andromeda's multiplayer. They will still be able to make big money on microtransactions, even from one or two million players. I do worry about BioWare, Dragon Age and Mass Effect... 6 million in 6 weeks if I remember correctly
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 25, 2019 13:05:06 GMT
Boxed games are my preferred buy. Unfortunately, they're getting to be a rare breed.
I believe Germany and Australia already has Anthem on discount. A bad omen indeed.
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 25, 2019 13:17:41 GMT
How much of this do you think is also due to it being a new IP?
Bugs and problems aside for a moment I noticed in the article it compared it to destiny 2. Thay had a fanbase established so that may also be a contributing factor.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 25, 2019 13:25:36 GMT
How much of this do you think is also due to it being a new IP? Bugs and problems aside for a moment I noticed in the aorticle it compared it to destiny 2. Thay had a fanbase established so that may also be a contributing factor. Fair point, but how did Apex Legends turn so successful then? Player being sick of drab maps in PUBG?
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Feb 25, 2019 13:27:51 GMT
Eurogamer reports on the UK charts, only counting boxed games (no digital downloads). Others use low Twitch viewers as an indication that sales are going bad, or big discounts in various countries. EA expects Anthem to sell 6 million in it's first quarter. It's all guessing, because EA doesn't like talking about sales figures. If Anthem does bad, I'm pretty sure they'll keep a team on it like they did with Andromeda's multiplayer. They will still be able to make big money on microtransactions, even from one or two million players. I do worry about BioWare, Dragon Age and Mass Effect. Boxed games sales don't really mean much. Most of the game sales nowadays are digital. That said, I'm not surprised to find out that Anthem does poorly, with all the horrible reviews, pre-release skepticism, and the general anti-EA sentiment.
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Post by Fogg on Feb 25, 2019 13:27:58 GMT
How much of this do you think is also due to it being a new IP? Bugs and problems aside for a moment I noticed in the article it compared it to destiny 2. Thay had a fanbase established so that may also be a contributing factor. Compared to the first Destiny it's 10 percent of sales. The Division 1 did even better than Destiny 1 in it's first weeks.
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 25, 2019 13:30:14 GMT
How much of this do you think is also due to it being a new IP? Bugs and problems aside for a moment I noticed in the aorticle it compared it to destiny 2. Thay had a fanbase established so that may also be a contributing factor. Fair point, but how did Apex Legends turn so successful then? Player being sick of drab maps in PUBG? Very true. Just curious if we consider that factor to be part of it as well. I am assuming apex has no physical box.
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Post by force58 on Feb 25, 2019 13:45:36 GMT
Boxed games are my preferred buy. Unfortunately, they're getting to be a rare breed.
I believe Germany and Australia already has Anthem on discount. A bad omen indeed. I used to get my boxed games at Game Stop, going to midnight launches, etc. Now I just sit in my chair and order them online. So much easier and no more having to change disks when I want to play a new game. What I miss out on is being able to gather up 50-60 games and trade them in for a few hundred bucks. It's also on sale here in the states, down to $37 on ebay. The main reason is the horrendous VIP launch they had. I'd bet that scared away a ton of gamers who were playing on buying it. I've had nothing but trouble since Saturday with server disconnects, screen tearing, and massive load times on Xbox One X. I didn't have any of these issues on Friday, the game's official release, but with that 5GB patch on Saturday, something went wrong. I think my pre-order days may be over after the last few months of game releases. I'll still order via the online store, just not ahead of time.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 25, 2019 14:14:26 GMT
Boxed games are my preferred buy. Unfortunately, they're getting to be a rare breed.
I believe Germany and Australia already has Anthem on discount. A bad omen indeed. Yeah I used to prefer boxed games but because of the lack of space I have now I've pretty much gone entirely digital. The only time I buy a boxed game now is if a disc breaks or something which happened to me recently with my DA2 disc. Thankfully I had it registered on Origin so I could work off a downloaded copy while waiting for my replacement. Still a pain in the neck though.
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 25, 2019 14:48:59 GMT
I'm one of those fanatical collectors that has to have a game disc and box as much as possible. I have purchased some games twice like that before, one digital copy and one in box copy.
It is a dying market but for someone like me it's the only way to play, home space be damned.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 25, 2019 15:12:53 GMT
Anyone have a guess at how much of that 50% is just the normal progression of physical copies dwindling out, and how much is a genuinely bad response to Anthem?
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Post by saandrig on Feb 25, 2019 15:28:18 GMT
Anyone have a guess at how much of that 50% is just the normal progression of physical copies dwindling out, and how much is a genuinely bad response to Anthem? Andromeda is speculated to have sold from 3 to 4 million copies. The most recent AAA title about which I read was AC Odyssey that had 45% of it's sales being digital (35% for the AC Origins that launched closer to MEA). We can speculate on the current Anthem sales with the above numbers, but I don't know how Origin Premier changes things (probably lowers the number of sales by some percentage).
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Post by cypherj on Feb 25, 2019 15:41:47 GMT
None of it is surprising to me.
The people that bought Andromeda aren't necessarily going to buy Anthem. Some people want SP games, they expect SP games from Bioware and that's all they're going to buy.
This is Bioware's first time making a game like this so there was going to be skepticism. Add to that the whole Andromeda fiasco and gamers weren't going to be anxious to run out and drop money on pre-orders.
I also think people were turned off by the demo and early reviews and said they weren't getting it, or were going to wait a few months until more content was released and the bugs were worked out.
People used the same digital vs physical when Andromeda came out, and it turned out that the game just wasn't well received. Anthem has more going against it than Andromeda did.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 25, 2019 15:47:52 GMT
Anyone have a guess at how much of that 50% is just the normal progression of physical copies dwindling out, and how much is a genuinely bad response to Anthem? Digital sales have been popular for years. That said, I doubt those are the only two possibilities. Maybe different audiences are a factor as well?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 15:52:06 GMT
Anyone have a guess at how much of that 50% is just the normal progression of physical copies dwindling out, and how much is a genuinely bad response to Anthem? In the UK decline in physical games sales was 2.8 % in revenue, 7.1 % in copies during 2018 (compared to 2017, when I think ME:A was released).
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 25, 2019 16:22:00 GMT
People used the same digital vs physical when Andromeda came out, and it turned out that the game sold so badly that EA closed the studio.Ftfy
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 25, 2019 16:24:27 GMT
Anyone have a guess at how much of that 50% is just the normal progression of physical copies dwindling out, and how much is a genuinely bad response to Anthem? Digital sales have been popular for years. That said, I doubt those are the only two possibilities. Maybe different audiences are a factor as well? It may be moot, though realistically there are a lot of factors involved including a sagging economy on the macro level too. I'm expecting maybe 2-4 million sales overall as well by the time we hit their conference call. It won't hit 6, but I suspect this will be a chance to play the long game moreso for EA anyway...
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 25, 2019 16:26:59 GMT
I certainly isn't a positive data point, but how negative it is will be hard to judge.
We'll see what the next EA quarterly earnings call says. That will be the best info we get, and even that will get spun.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 25, 2019 16:33:58 GMT
While I expect digital sales are increasing I’m not sure there has been a significant culture shift in the last 2 years. I can only go by me and the people I know and the people who went digital went digital far earlier than andromeda. But I’m primarily pc. I mainly get and give physical disks as gifts for pa4 xbox1 games. Otherwise it’s digital unless I bought into a gimmick extra that only came with a physical disk.
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Post by nanotm on Feb 25, 2019 16:54:50 GMT
given the launch window for the game had 3 other major titles released (all of which were franchise games) within the same week I'm more amazed anthem generated that number of sales in the first place...
the fact there comparing to d2 which released in sep 2017 rather than something else is also rather more telling in that there desperate to trash anthem (and EA in general) never mind that one of the flagship games for the ps4 was always bound to have a massive ps4 playerbase…
odd that they didnt compare it to say metro exodus, crackdown 3 or farcry new dawn and compare numbers... but that would have generated different results and anthem would seem to be selling too well.. or mayhaps they could have compared it to something else but again that wouldn't have generated the click bait titles based around sales for a game thats been out for 3 days....
so anthem has a quarter of the d2 sales figures for the first week of the game going live and its been less than a week since it went live... why not wait until the end of the first week and make the article for an eggs to eggs comparison???? becasue if sales keep going d2 will look like a slouch...
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 25, 2019 17:00:13 GMT
I'm one of those fanatical collectors that has to have a game disc and box as much as possible. I have purchased some games twice like that before, one digital copy and one in box copy. It is a dying market but for someone like me it's the only way to play, home space be damned. Yeah I initially bought DAI digitally but after playing and finding I was enjoying it more than I thought I would I decided to get a disc copy mainly to make installation a bit easier and quicker given DAI's size and how long it took to initially download. I was still kind of new to DA at the time as I'd not long before that bought DAO an DA2 and was still struggling to get to grips with the mechanics of the game. Wasn't sure about it at the time but after I got the strategy guides I started to understand the mechanics and really started to enjoy it then. I'm glad of it now though so it worked out. Nowadays DA along with Bioware's other masterpiece Mass Effect has become 2 series that I love playing and among my favourite games because for me evgen the supposedly bad ones DA2 and MEA I find are really good. In fact my top 3 games probably belong to Bioware as my favourite's atm are ME2 and 3 along with DAI.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 25, 2019 17:24:34 GMT
Anyone have a guess at how much of that 50% is just the normal progression of physical copies dwindling out, and how much is a genuinely bad response to Anthem? Digital sales have been popular for years. That said, I doubt those are the only two possibilities. Maybe different audiences are a factor as well? Saturated market. Target audience mismatch. Shiftiing distribution market. Pre-release release with buggy experience. Overall decline in game sales. Stiff competition. There is many factors of what might contribute.
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Post by Mobius Y on Feb 25, 2019 17:30:50 GMT
I will be a sad panda if support for this game - and I mean actual dev support with frequent patch fixes and big meaningful content additions - gets completely kiboshed before the year’s end. So far I am enjoying myself thoroughly and, even with a few niggling doubts, I can picture myself playing continuously for a few months until these Cataclysms come out. However Andromeda losing post-launch development two years ago was honestly heartbreaking. I don’t want to have that happen again. Hoping for the best, but expecting the worst.
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 25, 2019 17:31:34 GMT
Not seeing this in this in the thread so just thought I'd throw it out there:
ME:A - released on a Tuesday
Anthem - released on a Friday
Seemed like an obvious thing to point out
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