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Post by Sonya on Jan 8, 2020 15:10:43 GMT
I love Bethany as well, but it's fact, she tend to be "martyr". I don't like her reaction, if Hawke at the Templar side doesn't let Meredith to kill, her, she asks, she deserved it? And hugs Hawke... It just... But because I would never do that, I just enjoyed, how revolutionary can be, if Hawke let her, supports her. That question from her I don't like as well. It always makes me cringe. Still, GW-thing from Beth I don't understand at all and it makes me cringe even more. But Carver as a GW is so great, finally, just finally he can feel he can bring something good to this world. I never hated Carver, he is one of my favorite characters and I always make him a GW (I made him a Templar as well in some PTs of course). But Beth? Refusing from life that can finally give her freedom she wanted? I will never understand that.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 8, 2020 15:43:22 GMT
I love Bethany as well, but it's fact, she tend to be "martyr". I don't like her reaction, if Hawke at the Templar side doesn't let Meredith to kill, her, she asks, she deserved it? And hugs Hawke... It just... But because I would never do that, I just enjoyed, how revolutionary can be, if Hawke let her, supports her. That question from her I don't like as well. It always makes me cringe. Still, GW-thing from Beth I don't understand at all and it makes me cringe even more. But Carver as a GW is so great, finally, just finally he can feel he can bring something good to this world. I never hated Carver, he is one of my favorite characters and I always make him a GW (I made him a Templar as well in some PTs of course). But Beth? Refusing from life that can finally give her freedom she wanted? I will never understand that. To me, that scene of Bethany with hug... not just cringe, rather sad. (Also cringe: seems like she would agree in everything with Hawke just avoid the conflicts here – Ans grey Warden she's more interesting in this view. But of course she's not really likes that. She doesn't consider it freedom. A blind fate. That's not that freedom like she wanted. She's not a fighter. But at the end, if yhe's a Warden, she says, that at least her magic serves the good. I also prefer Carver, she has a good dinamics.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 8, 2020 15:53:04 GMT
That's not that freedom like she wanted. But at the end, if yhe's a Warden, she says, that at least her magic serves the good. So, on one hand - it's not exactly the freedom she wanted (I remember how she told in Act 1 "Home..."; I undersnatnd what she wants)., but it's a sacrafice we all make in our life, but on the other hand as she says her magic helps. Finally she can use it w/o fear from the Templars. So, as it turns out, Beth got only half of what she wanted. In my opinion, helping people is more important, even if I have to make that "freedom" sacrafice.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 8, 2020 16:19:52 GMT
That's not that freedom like she wanted. But at the end, if yhe's a Warden, she says, that at least her magic serves the good. So, on one hand - it's not exactly the freedom she wanted (I remember how she told in Act 1 "Home..."; I undersnatnd what she wants)., but it's a sacrafice we all make in our life, but on the other hand as she says her magic helps. Finally she can use it w/o fear from the Templars. So, as it turns out, Beth got only half of what she wanted. In my opinion, helping people is more important, even if I have to make that "freedom" sacrafice. And she's good at it, but has right to be bitter. I love how she tends to be a "martyr", but if the blind fate gives the chance to her to be one, she's bitter. I think, it's about the choice (choice is freedom). That's a blind fate, she didn't choose that – while I always thought, she reported herself. (But this is just a theory – I think, explains many things, including her behaviour.)
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Post by Sonya on Jan 8, 2020 18:52:55 GMT
And she's good at it, but has right to be bitter. I love how she tends to be a "martyr", but if the blind fate gives the chance to her to be one, she's bitter. I think, it's about the choice (choice is freedom). That's a blind fate, she didn't choose that – while I always thought, she reported herself. (But this is just a theory – I think, explains many things, including her behaviour.) I am talking about as if I don't know what can happen. She better dies not to be a burden for others even if she has a chance to become a GW, to live FREELY.i.e. not to fear of templars, and use magic as she wants, TO Help! Hawke, Beth, others (Anders knows but he can't tell - it's a secret) don't know the price for becoming a GW, but the only thing they know - Beth can stay alive. And that's what cringes me - she refuses, you get dissaproval from her (but approval from Carver)if you agree to give her to the GWs. I agree - she has the right to be bitter, to be angry at Hawke, but from Hawke's understanding - he/she doesn't want to lose a sister. It's not Beth choice, but she wants to choose. BUT the thing is: in this exact situation the burden of choice is unpon Hawke - let Beth live(at least there is a chane) OR agree with Beth freedom choice and let her die.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 8, 2020 19:05:53 GMT
And she's good at it, but has right to be bitter. I love how she tends to be a "martyr", but if the blind fate gives the chance to her to be one, she's bitter. I think, it's about the choice (choice is freedom). That's a blind fate, she didn't choose that – while I always thought, she reported herself. (But this is just a theory – I think, explains many things, including her behaviour.) I am talking about as if I don't know what can happen. She better dies not to be a burden for others even if she has a chance to become a GW, to live FREELY.i.e. not to fear of templars, and use magic as she wants, TO Help! Hawke, Beth, others (Anders knows but he can't tell - it's a secret) don't know the price for becoming a GW, but the only thing they know - Beth can stay alive. And that's what cringes me - she refuses, you get dissaproval from her (but approval from Carver)if you agree to give her to the GWs. I agree - she has the right to be bitter, to be angry at Hawke, but from Hawke's understanding - he/she doesn't want to lose a sister. It's not Beth choice, but she wants to choose. BUT the thing is: in this exact situation the burden of choice is unpon Hawke - let Beth live(at least there is a chane) OR agree with Beth freedom choice and let her die. Yes. I get it, you're right – if we see the things from this view.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 8, 2020 19:28:43 GMT
Yes. I get it, you're right – if we see the things from this view. it is always easier to discuss something if you know the end of the game, agree. But let's pretend in such cases as this - we don't now what can happen?
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Post by Catilina on Jan 8, 2020 22:20:31 GMT
Okay, back to Anders! (I think it was here already, still amazing piece) (source)
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Post by Sonya on Jan 10, 2020 11:38:07 GMT
I'd like to ask a question,in hope to have an answer. What I don't understand about Anders: it is a plot demand/ a plot hole/or I just missed something. I've mentioned it already that I always make different PTs. E.g. during the whole game I tell Anders "Mages are dangerous/they must be locked up/maybe Meredith can stop such likes as you/ etc etc etc/" BUT in Act 3 I ALWAYS - in friendship or rival, with supporting mages or diminishing them as in that PR - have the same lines from Anders - "You supported me/mages". How can that be explained? As a plot demand or as Anders not listenning Hawke at all and just being blind, conсentrated on his cause so much that can't even interpréter people's words?
Added: Just I play now as a mage with friendship with Anders and remembered that strange topic, so decided to ask.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 10, 2020 11:50:49 GMT
I'd like to ask a question,in hope to have an answer. What I don't understand about Anders: it is a plot demand/ a plot hole/or I just missed something. I've mentioned it already that I always make different PTs. E.g. during the whole game I tell Anders "Mages are dangerous/they must be locked up/maybe Meredith can stop such likes as you/ etc etc etc/" BUT in Act 3 I ALWAYS - in friendship or rival, with supporting mages or diminishing them as in that PR - have the same lines from Anders - "You supported me/mages". How can that be explained? As a plot demand or as Anders not listenning Hawke at all and just being blind, conсentrated on his cause so much that can't even interpréter people's words?
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Just I play now as a mage with friendship with Anders and remembered that strange topic, so decided to ask.
Yes... Bad writing? Whatever... Illogical, yes. I don't have another explanation.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jan 10, 2020 19:04:30 GMT
^ it may depend on quest choices you've made
even if you tell Anders he's a dangerous loony who deserves imprisonment/death what have you, if you support as many mages in the game as possible, for example; helping Grace, saving Feynriel etc. then Anders will still interpret it as supporting him and his cause (even if you've been a douche to him up to that point during personal dialogue)
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Post by Catilina on Jan 10, 2020 19:30:39 GMT
^ it may depend on quest choices you've made even if you tell Anders he's a dangerous loony who deserves imprisonment/death what have you, if you support as many mages in the game as possible, for example; helping Grace, saving Feynriel etc. then Anders will still interpret it as supporting him and his cause (even if you've been a douche to him up to that point during personal dialogue) The whole quest is a mess. The first part is hard with a Hawke who romance him, and really care about him – especially in friendship. This is dangerous (a dangerous Tevinter experiment to risk his life, when he seems already learned to live with the situation? There are a question as well), but Hawke can't refuse it or try to refuse it from this aspect, just in rude way. The second part can be hard with friendship as well –depends on Hawke– but if Hawke doesn't support him, and doesn't trust him... Hawke must be very dumb to do it... He's very clear about that people will die for the freedom. Also, I would like a more friendly line as well – my Hawke wanted to know, why he wants him to distract the Grand Cleric, but not did it because he "blackmailed" him –that was just a faded, desperate try–, but because he understood. he just wanted an answer, not to act totally blindly. But not just Anders' reaction is weird sometimes: Fenris told Hawke, he respects Hawke, even if Hawke supported every slaver, and kept Orana as a slave. This game is an unpolished diamond, and now the weight on the ' unpolished' word...
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jan 10, 2020 21:03:47 GMT
^ it may depend on quest choices you've made even if you tell Anders he's a dangerous loony who deserves imprisonment/death what have you, if you support as many mages in the game as possible, for example; helping Grace, saving Feynriel etc. then Anders will still interpret it as supporting him and his cause (even if you've been a douche to him up to that point during personal dialogue) The whole quest is a mess. The first part is hard with a Hawke who romance him, and really care about him – especially in friendship. This is dangerous (a dangerous Tevinter experiment to risk his life, when he seems already learned to live with the situation? There are a question as well), but Hawke can't refuse it or try to refuse it from this aspect, just in rude way. The second part can be hard with friendship as well –depends on Hawke– but if Hawke doesn't support him, and doesn't trust him... Hawke must be very dumb to do it... He's very clear about that people will die for the freedom. Also, I would like a more friendly line as well – my Hawke wanted to know, why he wants him to distract the Grand Cleric, but not did it because he "blackmailed" him –that was just a faded, desperate try–, but because he understood. he just wanted an answer, not to act totally blindly. But not just Anders' reaction is weird sometimes: Fenris told Hawke, he respects Hawke, even if Hawke supported every slaver, and kept Orana as a slave. This game is an unpolished diamond, and now the weight on the ' unpolished' word... true, I love DA2 a lot, but there's a lot of plot holes and inconsistency in several plot points
I just tend to fill in some points with head canon these days
for example, one part I dislike is that when (and if) you decide to kill Anders, you can't do it in a nice way (frankly there's no nice way to do it ) it's like "stab you're dead", but you can't be like "I'm sorry it has to be this way" or "I wish I could've helped you" Anders apologizes to Hawke for his actions, but Hawke can't do the same in return...kinda feels heartless imo. (especially if you're Anders' friend or lover)
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Post by Catilina on Jan 10, 2020 22:01:32 GMT
The whole quest is a mess. The first part is hard with a Hawke who romance him, and really care about him – especially in friendship. This is dangerous (a dangerous Tevinter experiment to risk his life, when he seems already learned to live with the situation? There are a question as well), but Hawke can't refuse it or try to refuse it from this aspect, just in rude way. The second part can be hard with friendship as well –depends on Hawke– but if Hawke doesn't support him, and doesn't trust him... Hawke must be very dumb to do it... He's very clear about that people will die for the freedom. Also, I would like a more friendly line as well – my Hawke wanted to know, why he wants him to distract the Grand Cleric, but not did it because he "blackmailed" him –that was just a faded, desperate try–, but because he understood. he just wanted an answer, not to act totally blindly. But not just Anders' reaction is weird sometimes: Fenris told Hawke, he respects Hawke, even if Hawke supported every slaver, and kept Orana as a slave. This game is an unpolished diamond, and now the weight on the ' unpolished' word... true, I love DA2 a lot, but there's a lot of plot holes and inconsistency in several plot points
I just tend to fill in some points with head canon these days
for example, one part I dislike is that when (and if) you decide to kill Anders, you can't do it in a nice way (frankly there's no nice way to do it ) it's like "stab you're dead", but you can't be like "I'm sorry it has to be this way" or "I wish I could've helped you" Anders apologizes to Hawke for his actions, but Hawke can't do the same in return...kinda feels heartless imo. (especially if you're Anders' friend or lover) I prefer not to kill him, but I think, that whole "judgement" scene is painfully soulless from Hawke's side especially in romance. It should be more emotional.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 11, 2020 1:45:34 GMT
even if you tell Anders he's a dangerous loony who deserves imprisonment/death what have you, if you support as many mages in the game as possible, for example; helping Grace, saving Feynriel etc. then Anders will still interpret it as supporting him and his cause (even if you've been a douche to him up to that point during personal dialogue) hmm, don't think so. I made "A Mage Hunt" PT where NEVER helped any mage, made desicions which I really didin't like but did them as wanted to see the difference anyway. But in the end I got the same lines. I suppose as mentioned - bad writing. But for me its not "whatever", it's a mess from devs which is really frustrating and because of which, even if DA2 my favorite (as well as DAO), some routes I really don't want to play as it's a real mess ("Mage-Hunt " was simply an example, there are other paths to play.)
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Post by Sonya on Jan 11, 2020 2:36:19 GMT
you can't do it in a nice way (frankly there's no nice way to do it ) it's like "stab you're dead" no nice words will change an act of killing. Killing - is just killing. You can say whatever nice words you'd like - it is still a way to get rid of somebody. Imo. Telling "I wish I could have helped you but still going to kill you because of ...." won't help a would-be deadman. Those words are only for a person who is actually going to kill a person. Imo. An act of killing itelf - is just killing. If any emotional aspect could be involved here - it is out of justice/out of mercy for others/out of similar emotions. But not out of mercy for a person who will be dead soon.
I write it NOT to insult anyboby but as don't really understand how those words could have helped me in Anders place e.g. "If you are going to killl me, then just do it. Why waite time for some hollow apologizing?" - those are my would-be words in his place.
It should be more emotional. how exactly should it be more emotional in your opinion? Ask it as this question is connected with my above words.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 11, 2020 2:54:15 GMT
you can't do it in a nice way (frankly there's no nice way to do it ) it's like "stab you're dead" no nice words will change an act of killing. Killing - is just killing. You can say whatever nice words you'd like - it is still a way to get rid of somebody. Imo. Telling "I wish I could have helped you but still going to kill you because of ...." won't help a would-be deadman. Those words are only for a person who is actually going to kill a person. Imo. An act of killing itelf - is just killing. If any emotional aspect could be involved here - it is out of justice/out of mercy for others/out of similar emotions. But not out of mercy for a person who will be dead soon.
I write it NOT to insult anyboby but as don't really understand how those words could have helped me in Anders place e.g. "If you are going to killl me, then just do it. Why waite time for some hollow apologizing?" - those are my would-be words in his place.
It should be more emotional. how exactly should it be more emotional in your opinion? Ask it as this question is connected with my above words. 1. A word can change the cruelty. They were friends/lovers for years. Passionate relationship. 2. Not everyone kills him. The whole judgement is just soulless. It can be a reaction, but not everyone's reaction. And how exactly should be? How I can speak about every Hawke? My Hawke(s) who romanced him, would give him a hand and lift him up. Hug him. Some of them would be passionate, some of them less, but no one of them would behave in those cold way. And there's the best answer: (source)
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jan 11, 2020 10:13:16 GMT
hmm, don't think so. I made "A Mage Hunt" PT where NEVER helped any mage, made desicions which I really didin't like but did them as wanted to see the difference anyway. But in the end I got the same lines. I suppose as mentioned - bad writing. But for me its not "whatever", it's a mess from devs which is really frustrating and because of which, even if DA2 my favorite (as well as DAO), some routes I really don't want to play as it's a real mess ("Mage-Hunt " was simply an example, there are other paths to play.) Hm, maybe I misremembered then as I said in an earlier post, I've only rivaled Anders once, and that's been several years ago
no nice words will change an act of killing. Killing - is just killing. You can say whatever nice words you'd like - it is still a way to get rid of somebody. Imo. Telling "I wish I could have helped you but still going to kill you because of ...." won't help a would-be deadman. Those words are only for a person who is actually going to kill a person. Imo. An act of killing itelf - is just killing. If any emotional aspect could be involved here - it is out of justice/out of mercy for others/out of similar emotions. But not out of mercy for a person who will be dead soon.
I write it NOT to insult anyboby but as don't really understand how those words could have helped me in Anders place e.g. "If you are going to killl me, then just do it. Why waite time for some hollow apologizing?" - those are my would-be words in his place.
It should be more emotional. how exactly should it be more emotional in your opinion? Ask it as this question is connected with my above words. Anders himself says "anything you could say I've already said to myself" But there's no actual way to reply to those words in a nice way all choices thereafter boil down to "come with me", "leave" or "then you die" before the judgment scene you can say you agree or disagree with his actions...but once it comes to the actual judgment scene you can't actually ask him about things, aside from the whole "was this your plan or that of Justice?"
so yeah, I agree with Catilina that the scene (whether you kill Anders or not) should've been a bit more emotional, or at least that Hawke should've shown more diverse ways of reacting to Anders' actions
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Post by Sonya on Jan 11, 2020 10:55:33 GMT
How I can speak about every Hawke? Of course you can't, players are people and people are different in many ways. That is why I asked exactly your own opinion as you said It should be more emotional. You exlplained as you could that statement. My Hawke(s) who romanced him, would give him a hand and lift him up. Hug him. Some of them would be passionate, some of them less, but no one of them would behave in those cold way. Understood. In this case you talk about Anders as a person you love. What about Anders - friend? You both are still on good terms. Just say "I am sorry?" or something similar? And there's the best answer: again, it is an answer if Anders is a lover. It is great, but again, what about Anders - friend? How in your vision that scene can be more emotional? These questions concern as well the topic "more gentle killing" which imo is just impossible; not just because I have nothing better to do. And one more very important thing in my opinion. What about your morals and principals? You do have them or no? If a person you love/your best friend has made something SO terrible that doesn't stack with your own vision of the world and your own morals, will you still do the same thing and ready to live with that terrible burden till the rest of your life, a burden which can in the long run ruin everything as you are a person with feeling, emotions, thoughts? Fogetting something terrible as in this case is not easy, if possible at all.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 11, 2020 11:05:29 GMT
Anders himself says "anything you could say I've already said to myself" But there's no actual way to reply to those words in a nice way all choices thereafter boil down to "come with me", "leave" or "then you die" before the judgment scene you can say you agree or disagree with his actions...but once it comes to the actual judgment scene you can't actually ask him about things, aside from the whole "was this your plan or that of Justice?" yeah, I agree with you and Catilina that scene seems as if something is missing. More options would be nice to have. so yeah, I agree with Catilina that the scene (whether you kill Anders or not) should've been a bit more emotional, or at least that Hawke should've shown more diverse ways of reacting to Anders' actions this statement referrs to "something is missing - topic" as well. Maybe that scene is cut and we are just unaware of it...
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Post by Catilina on Jan 13, 2020 13:46:39 GMT
SonyaAs I said, my Hawkes mostly more passionate, than this whole scene. So: even in friendship (while they don't kill him!), would behave in a different way, because they understand him. That scene emotionlessly can work with a Hawke who absolutely neutral toward him (hard to imagine such a neutrality in his case, but I can't exclude), or burned out already to feel anything. In my imagination, every other case, Hawke would behave more passionate/more emotionally. I see, this is a hard scene. But many emotions there. Just look at Anders' facial expressions at the moment, when the Chantry exploded, and right before and after. My Hawke, who is his friend, understood him. He asked him to help to defend the mages. To him, that was not the hardest choice. I can't really speak about what if Hawke kills him. But I'm sure, not irrelevant, what is Hawke's reaction. I still think that the reactions and words matter in this case, a lot, even to Anders, and to Hawke as well. One thing is sure: this scene seems not complete, lack of emotions. (As choice.)
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Post by Sonya on Jan 13, 2020 14:44:38 GMT
As I said, my Hawkes mostly more passionate, than this whole scene. So: even in friendship (while they don't kill him!), would behave in a different way, because they understand him. That scene emotionlessly can work with a Hawke who absolutely neutral toward him (hard to imagine such a neutrality in his case, but I can't exclude), or burned out already to feel anything. In my imagination, every other case, Hawke would behave more passionate/more emotionally. I see, this is a hard scene. But many emotions there. Just look at Anders' facial expressions at the moment, when the Chantry exploded, and right before and after. My Hawke, who is his friend, understood him. He asked him to help to defend the mages. To him, that was not the hardest choice. I see. Doesn't matter friend or lover - the same reaction in both cases. Was no point to ask than. But thanks for the answer. I still think that the reactions and words matter in this case, a lot, even to Anders, and to Hawke as well. Again. How do those unknown (as not even written) words could even help Anders? He is done. Ready to die. You know that in a minute you'll be stabbed. What does it matter who say what right before you die? As I mentioned (as I understand it I mean!) if someone wants to say something before stabbing a person - it is only to feel more comfortable for themselves (Oh, I said some nice words before killing a person, good for me). For a would-be-soon-dead person it means nothing at all. You claim it means something. So what does it mean? What can it change if you are dead anyway? That is the thing I don't understand when people say it. For me - it just makes no sense at all. I know a person will kill me. Period. Hollow words? Waste of time. That is my vision of such situation. One thing is sure: this scene seems not complete, lack of emotions. (As choice.) yeah, agree 100%. I also feel as something is missing in that scene.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 13, 2020 15:17:09 GMT
SonyaSo: to you, doesn't matter to speak with someone who's close to you, and ready to die. To me, it is, to both sides. Not mentioned, if you agree, in this scene is missing something, what is the question? You already got my answer from my own side, and you already got others' answers as well.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 13, 2020 15:40:52 GMT
no questions, sorry to bother.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 13, 2020 15:59:33 GMT
no questions, sorry to bother. No problem, I'm sorry, if it sounded rude.
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