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Post by BansheeOwnage on Oct 25, 2016 3:27:19 GMT
He dies in CotJ if you take too long during the timed sections (you can get around this tediously by exploring them multiple times, you just need to keep defending the hall on time). So yeah, that's why the tile is there. But doesn't it automatically set itself to that if you don't do CotJ at all? That seems to indicate that not doing CotJ doesn't mean he escapes, but rather that he dies. And while Wynne had a credible way out of being dead I don't think Ser Barris does. I don't know, to be honest. And I wasn't trying to argue one way or the other whether he can/should return, just explaining that he could die in the mission. And of course, how can we forget this clue? Well, people thought that referred to the Breach, but it seems clear now it's referring to Solas' plan. The magic will return, everyone will be as they were, etc.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Oct 25, 2016 7:02:25 GMT
But doesn't it automatically set itself to that if you don't do CotJ at all? That seems to indicate that not doing CotJ doesn't mean he escapes, but rather that he dies. And while Wynne had a credible way out of being dead I don't think Ser Barris does. I don't know, to be honest. And I wasn't trying to argue one way or the other whether he can/should return, just explaining that he could die in the mission. And of course, how can we forget this clue? Well, people thought that referred to the Breach, but it seems clear now it's referring to Solas' plan. The magic will return, everyone will be as they were, etc. Too bad that Sandal forgot to mention that everyone will die. When he said that "everyone will be like they were" he meant that everyone will return into oblivion like they were before they were born.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 25, 2016 12:34:39 GMT
The thing is when Sandal made his prophesy, from what DG said, the story of DAI was meant to be twice as long. That trailer that someone used to tie in with the prophesy does seem to fit very well but in the end that never happened in DAI. To my mind that sky splitting open as it does in that trailer and the dragon seemingly having emerged from it, would seem to tie in with Solas dropping the Veil and the Evanuris being freed. In that trailer we also see fire raining from the sky (the fiery chaos that Solas refers to) but people are able to survive it. So you can either view that as a good omen that once again Solas got the outcome wrong, or that the writers have since changed their minds and we will have to stop him or everyone will die.
So far as prophesies of the end of the world are concerned, we met the Order of Fiery Promise in DAI and their main dogma of belief is that the world is so broken only destroying it with cleansing fire and beginning again from scratch will do. The weird thing about that is that it pretty much matches Solas' take on things and yet comes from a human sect/Andrastrian cult. It does make you wonder where they got their ideas. Personally I think Solas did a bit more than dream his way peacefully through the last several millennia. If not him, then Mythal has been nudging things along to her satisfaction.
There is also Morrigan at the end of that first trailer for DAI saying "Will you stand against the dark or lead this world to its bitter end?" Really there never seemed to be the option to do anything other than stand against Corypheus other than have various plotlines end in an epic fail, whereas that line from her would suggest you might have the option to actually support Solas in "bringing back the magic". At the end of Trespasser we were given the option to either declare we would stop Solas by any means, or try and save him from himself. Could it be there was originally a different option, that of him persuading you to go along with it?
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Oct 25, 2016 23:15:11 GMT
I'm just glad that Gaider is gone,the plot of this game wasn't all that interesting especially it's ridiculous ending and the implementation of the well of sorrow was ridiculous.As for Morrigan as usual she was just using her lame hyperboles into a trailer meant to be an advertising for the game.
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 30, 2016 4:14:37 GMT
Nexus Golem (DA2): "The Stone lives beneath Orlais. Mathas gar na fornen pa salroka atrast." "We were once more than we are." "The Gauntlet is passed. Only a Shaperate can bring the light. Conversion begins..." - Now we know it was referencing Descent. "Conversion begins..." caught my eye though - maybe we'll see more dwarves gaining power like Valta? In a similar vein, Leliana's letter in WoT2 to Sketch about their deceased casteless friend Tug: I went through his silks, his weapons, his tools. But there were two things. Not things. Phrases. I had never heard him say the words, but they were important enough for etching and ink. First, on a handle, hidden:
“The Stone lives beneath Orlais.”
I’ve heard this before, but more as passing phrase than anything true. And I would have smiled sadly and left it not understood, but there was a second phrase, the one I leave out of the telling. I thought it a detail that got in the way of the greater story, when I believed I knew what determined such things. Even dwarves I trust are confused by it, as the language is not how it is understood today.
"Mathas gar na fornent pa tot isatunoll.”
The literal is nonsense: “I’m sorry sacrifice one at my side death…” The last word is unknown. I have heard the first part from strange places, ending instead in “pa salroka atrast”. Which is the slightly less meaningless, “at my side find your way in the dark”.
It seems to mean: “I regret the sacrifice of my kin, but it means we will find our way home.” Which rings as defense of Orzammar’s abandonment of Kal Sharok and perhaps of how Tug acted for you when you both were captured. I find that comforting, but I am sure I am wrong. It is too easy, too simple. Tug was not simple. This is something older. It is a secret, or it is gibberish.For what it's worth, the word Leliana can't translate - ISATUNOLL - could very well be a compound word based off the dwarven words isana (lyrium), tunsha (part of their standard "farewell" phrase), and amgetoll (duty). So the ultra literal version might be: I'm sorry sacrifice one at my side death lyrium goodbye duty. SOUNDS SUSPICIOUSLY TITAN-Y TO ME.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 21, 2021 13:08:47 GMT
With many new information i see the following plot linies appear: 1. a double blight and with it the wardens 2. the executor (i hope a new race) 3. Solas is wrong with the outcome of what he planed, another time. So a) he cannot implement his plan or b)We have to clean up his mess for a second time. 4. The antagonist isn't Solas. "Aren't willing to adress the issues" shows me that there are several antagonist. And that these don't appear right from the start. 1. maybe one of them. 5. I don't see the qunari Tevinter conflict beeing a big linie. 6. I hope of a robin hood like story for our new protagonist.
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Post by xerrai on Jun 21, 2021 14:19:50 GMT
This has seemingly been dropped since DAO, but does anyone remember just how sinister Pride Demons were? Particularly when we were told that a greater pride demon that escapes the fade can potentially "end the world"? There was also a heavy implication in one codex entry that Pride Demons in general were trying to complete a plan or goal of some sort. "It is they who seek most strongly to possess mages, and will bring other demons across the Veil in numbers to achieve their own ends—although what that might be has never been discovered. A greater pride demon, brought across the Veil, would threaten the entire world." Aside from making me feel robbed of epic boss fights, it also added an air of conspiracy to them. Theories on what this goal was ranged from standard 'take over the world' plots to, yes, 'forcefully merging Thedas to the Fade'. That last one was made prior to DAI, and it primarily was formed due to the Chantry's dogma. The age old belief that spirits wish to cross over and possess the living. A belief that, in later entries, is all but confirmed to hold a certain amount of truth. A pride demon wanting to effectively "possess" the entire world by destroying the veil seems like a natural result when that mindset is taken to its ultimate conclusion. Except they would do it with abominations, abominations, and even more abominations. Each bringing a substantial amount of death and power until the veil is weakened considerably. With DAI/Trespasser, one could easily be lead to believe that these planning pride demons were pursuing the same goal as Solas. That they were spirits of hope, faith, wisdom, and so on and all got corrupted and decided to merge worlds on their own since he was taking the big nap. They didn't even have to know or be affiliated with Solas either, it could have just been a remnant of ancient mindsets--the belief that the two worlds are supposed to go together. But the whole thing seems to have been...forgotten. A non-factor. We don't even get to speak to a Pride Demon (unless you count Solas's friend) in the latest game entry.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2021 14:48:23 GMT
"It is they who seek most strongly to possess mages, and will bring other demons across the Veil in numbers to achieve their own ends—although what that might be has never been discovered. A greater pride demon, brought across the Veil, would threaten the entire world." Well I suppose you could argue that since Solas means Pride and there have been strong hints that the elves were originally spirits that crossed into the Waking World and took on mortal forms, that Solas is in fact the greater pride demon that will "threaten the entire world". It is also possible that we have yet to meet this ultra pride demon but will do so in the next instalment. I agree somewhat that the pride demons were somewhat diminished in importance in DAI to just another form of demon we had to deal with but that doesn't necessarily mean the writers no longer have a purpose for them. However, the alternative could be true and they were just part of a plot thread that has since been abandoned in favour of something or someone else.
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Post by mattjamho on Jun 21, 2021 15:25:10 GMT
This has seemingly been dropped since DAO, but does anyone remember just how sinister Pride Demons were? Particularly when we were told that a greater pride demon that escapes the fade can potentially "end the world"? There was also a heavy implication in one codex entry that Pride Demons in general were trying to complete a plan or goal of some sort. "It is they who seek most strongly to possess mages, and will bring other demons across the Veil in numbers to achieve their own ends—although what that might be has never been discovered. A greater pride demon, brought across the Veil, would threaten the entire world." Aside from making me feel robbed of epic boss fights, it also added an air of conspiracy to them. Theories on what this goal was ranged from standard 'take over the world' plots to, yes, 'forcefully merging Thedas to the Fade'. That last one was made prior to DAI, and it primarily was formed due to the Chantry's dogma. The age old belief that spirits wish to cross over and possess the living. A belief that, in later entries, is all but confirmed to hold a certain amount of truth. A pride demon wanting to effectively "possess" the entire world by destroying the veil seems like a natural result when that mindset is taken to its ultimate conclusion. Except they would do it with abominations, abominations, and even more abominations. Each bringing a substantial amount of death and power until the veil is weakened considerably. With DAI/Trespasser, one could easily be lead to believe that these planning pride demons were pursuing the same goal as Solas. That they were spirits of hope, faith, wisdom, and so on and all got corrupted and decided to merge worlds on their own since he was taking the big nap. They didn't even have to know or be affiliated with Solas either, it could have just been a remnant of ancient mindsets--the belief that the two worlds are supposed to go together. But the whole thing seems to have been...forgotten. A non-factor. We don't even get to speak to a Pride Demon (unless you count Solas's friend) in the latest game entry. Yeah DAI did kinda spoil Pride demons by making them part of the Rift mobs. In DAO & DA2 they were reserved for especially powerful demons, it DAI they were just health sponges. I hope the next DA does something more interesting with all the higher demons, and we see a return of desire demons as well.
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Post by theascendent on Jun 21, 2021 16:02:03 GMT
I hope we get more lore/interaction with Demons. Especially considering the Formless One might be the ancient demon sealed underneath Minrathous As one of the Forbidden Ones who were around during the time of the Evanuris it might have useful information regarding how to counteract Solas. Although how something like that could be sealed by ancient humans seems implausible. Maybe we discover that Minrathous is built on top of an ancient Elven city, the ancient humans never built the city, they simply moved in and changed the Elven look. Based on everything we know about the ancient Elves, the Tevinter Imperium is probably the closest we'd get to what the old empire of Elvhenan was like.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2021 16:57:14 GMT
Maybe we discover that Minrathous is built on top of an ancient Elven city, the ancient humans ever built the city, they simply moved in and changed the Elven look. To be honest, I think this is pretty much a given and will actually be surprised if that doesn't turn out to be true. PW already stated in tweets years ago that this is what Tevinter did with elven architecture generally and those mosaics we find in DAI seem to hint as much as well. What I would find more interesting is if it proves that in fact it was ancient elves who did not go into Uthenera after the Veil who actually helped the humans with their rise to power, possibly followers of the Forgotten Ones or Fen'Harel as opposed to those who supported the Creators. I still tend to use this term to distinguish the two groups of gods, as identified by the Dalish, as Solas never made it clear who he meant by the word Evanuris and since it simply means "Leaders" it could have been anyone who was a commander in the war that led to their supremacy. The reason I wonder about elven involvement in the development of Tevinter is their use of foci, which Dorian says is depicted as occurring in the time of the Dreamers. It has always struck me as odd that human dreamers should arise after magic had been suppressed but if they were the result of elven/human unions then that might explain it. Also, it seems unlikely to me that the elves would leave foci lying around for humans to find, much less that early humans would have the knowledge or power to unlock them, which suggests to me that someone showed them where to find them and how to use them. Anyway, I think there is definitely something lurking under Minrathous, possibly even Razikale herself considering she was patron of the kingdom of Tevinter before the Imperium and Minrathous was under her protection. The Formless One could be one of her allies.
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