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Post by shinobiwan on Mar 13, 2019 18:07:51 GMT
Sounds like you live in an alternate reality, have tunnel vision or just displaying denial. This "but Anthem is fun" defense is so weak and just shows how much of a failure Anthem is. Anthem was supposed to be more than fun, it was the Bob "Dylan" of videogames and the game that shows us that MEA was a fluke and not a pattern because it was made by the Bioware A team with 6 years of development. Instead it got Sony offering refunds Instead it got average 60% review scores Instead it players asking for a boycott Instead it got a really poor fan reception Instead it has EA really silent on how it has done post launch. We have player count stats for Apex and yet we have nothing similar for Anthem. YOU and the many others here who are allergic to saying something less than ideal about Bioware will deny deny deny and deny all day. But your denial does not change the current state of things. Just look at the current reception to The Divison 2 beta and early launch......now compare that to Anthem's open bets and early launch. Now with logic explain to me why Anthem will be able to stand toe to toe with Divison 2? This article says it all: www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2019/03/13/the-division-2-is-good-and-that-is-bad-news-for-anthem/#1a334b7e3b80I agree with all you said Maj, you'll know that from my posts, but have you never liked something that's kinda shit? I know I have, regardless of reviews or messy launches. I am super disappointed by Anthem too, but let's not get to the point where people are hesitant to even say they like the game. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/eOWYXAeFzwNgjEfYPHsc.png) I think some people are in denial, some genuinely like the game, some hate it, and most are probably just exhausted by this whole experience. That's fine, people like shitty game sometimes. Nothing wrong with that. The difference here is the poster in question literally said Anthem isn't going to fail because it's fun. It's great and all if you find it fun, more power to you. But tons of players clearly don't find it fun, and you personally finding it fun is non-responsive to the topic at hand.
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Post by jackdaniel on Mar 13, 2019 18:28:25 GMT
Bioware, or at least its soul, is dead because has signed onto the whole game as service revenue model.
If a game is a product,you make most money by selling as many copies as you can. You do that by making the best product possible and market it as well as possible. The incentive to make the game addictive is not as strong, since you dont make more money whether somone plays 40hr or 400 hrs
If a game is service, you can make more money if your game is addictive, even if less copies are sold. The incentive is skewed toward making a game addictive by physiological meaning, even predatory ones. 10 copies sold to players who plays 10 hr each worth as much as 1 game sold to someone who plays 100 hr. Just imagine where the creative process will lead to if thats the incentive.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Mar 13, 2019 18:37:10 GMT
I agree with all you said Maj, you'll know that from my posts, but have you never liked something that's kinda shit? I know I have, regardless of reviews or messy launches. I am super disappointed by Anthem too, but let's not get to the point where people are hesitant to even say they like the game. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/eOWYXAeFzwNgjEfYPHsc.png) I think some people are in denial, some genuinely like the game, some hate it, and most are probably just exhausted by this whole experience.
Well, liking something in spite of it's flaws, and acting like those flaws don't exist are two completely different things.
This game could be bricking peoples' hard drives and some of these people would still be saying that people are overreacting, or that the game isn't getting a fair shake.
Very true, for example I like DA2 but I can write an essay on it's flaws. I don't get pissy when people bring them up and I can criticize it till the cows come home. Denying all issues is weird to me....even my all time favourite games have things I bitch about. It doesn't reduce how much I like them or how great they are. That seems to be lost on some people, it's as if any criticism is heresy. Games are like family members - I love you, but god you're fucking annoying, and let me list all the various ways how... ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png)
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 13, 2019 18:42:18 GMT
Well, liking something in spite of it's flaws, and acting like those flaws don't exist are two completely different things.
This game could be bricking peoples' hard drives and some of these people would still be saying that people are overreacting, or that the game isn't getting a fair shake.
Very true, for example I like DA2 but I can write an essay on it's flaws. I don't get pissy when people bring them up and I can criticize it till the cows come home. Denying all issues is weird to me....even my all time favourite games have things I bitch about. It doesn't reduce how much I like them or how great they are. That seems to be lost on some people, it's as if any criticism is heresy. Games are like family members - I love you, but god you're fucking annoying, and let me list all the various ways how... ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png) Right. I love Mass Effect one. But some of the dialogue is just cringe. Lol
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 13, 2019 18:53:57 GMT
Very true, for example I like DA2 but I can write an essay on it's flaws. I don't get pissy when people bring them up and I can criticize it till the cows come home. Denying all issues is weird to me....even my all time favourite games have things I bitch about. It doesn't reduce how much I like them or how great they are. That seems to be lost on some people, it's as if any criticism is heresy. Games are like family members - I love you, but god you're fucking annoying, and let me list all the various ways how... ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/eMjudLqrqAjoLIOqTalh.png) Right. I love Mass Effect one. But some of the dialogue is just cringe. Lol Some?!? One of the positives of the trilogy after the first game is how fluid the art direction and dialogue became. Was a bit more casual in some places but it was also more organic. The games play differently that way, the original Mass Effect was like a Star Trek movie. Mass Effect 2 and 3 were like Star Wars TV shows, if that makes any sense.
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Post by floratheelf on Mar 13, 2019 19:00:37 GMT
Doubtful. Anthem is a fun game. Sounds like you live in an alternate reality, have tunnel vision or just displaying denial. This "but Anthem is fun" defense is so weak and just shows how much of a failure Anthem is. Anthem was supposed to be more than fun, it was the Bob "Dylan" of videogames and the game that shows us that MEA was a fluke and not a pattern because it was made by the Bioware A team with 6 years of development. Instead it got Sony offering refunds Instead it got average 60% review scores Instead it players asking for a boycott Instead it got a really poor fan reception Instead it has EA really silent on how it has done post launch. We have player count stats for Apex and yet we have nothing similar for Anthem. YOU and the many others here who are allergic to saying something less than ideal about Bioware will deny deny deny and deny all day. But your denial does not change the current state of things. Just look at the current reception to The Divison 2 beta and early launch......now compare that to Anthem's open bets and early launch. Now with logic explain to me why Anthem will be able to stand toe to toe with Divison 2? This article says it all: www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2019/03/13/the-division-2-is-good-and-that-is-bad-news-for-anthem/#1a334b7e3b80Oh please. I could write an essay but seeing as I'm on mobile and at work my post was as simple and easy I could make it under the circumstances. Angry and vocal players always drown out the more reserved "I like this game" users anyway. People like you are ridiculous and are EXACTLY why you dont see more people supporting this game on any type of forum. I like it and enjoy it in spite of its flaws and am more than open to criticisms of it. You insult someone who likes the game to the point it's not even worth replying to these threads. I still dont think this is the end of Bioware, I really dont because Anthem is a fun game and is definitely noticed for it if everyone would put down their torch and pitchforks for just a moment. And if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. I'll excuse myself while the rest of you throw the party.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Mar 13, 2019 19:07:08 GMT
Sounds like you live in an alternate reality, have tunnel vision or just displaying denial. This "but Anthem is fun" defense is so weak and just shows how much of a failure Anthem is. Anthem was supposed to be more than fun, it was the Bob "Dylan" of videogames and the game that shows us that MEA was a fluke and not a pattern because it was made by the Bioware A team with 6 years of development. Instead it got Sony offering refunds Instead it got average 60% review scores Instead it players asking for a boycott Instead it got a really poor fan reception Instead it has EA really silent on how it has done post launch. We have player count stats for Apex and yet we have nothing similar for Anthem. YOU and the many others here who are allergic to saying something less than ideal about Bioware will deny deny deny and deny all day. But your denial does not change the current state of things. Just look at the current reception to The Divison 2 beta and early launch......now compare that to Anthem's open bets and early launch. Now with logic explain to me why Anthem will be able to stand toe to toe with Divison 2? This article says it all: www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2019/03/13/the-division-2-is-good-and-that-is-bad-news-for-anthem/#1a334b7e3b80Oh please. I could write an essay but seeing as I'm on mobile and at work my post was as simple and easy I could make it under the circumstances. Angry and vocal players always drown out the more reserved "I like this game" users anyway. People like you are ridiculous and are EXACTLY why you dont see more people supporting this game on any type of forum. I like it and enjoy it in spite of its flaws and am more than open to criticisms of it. You insult someone who likes the game to the point it's not even worth replying to these threads. I still dont think this is the end of Bioware, I really dont because Anthem is a fun game and is definitely noticed for it if everyone would put down their torch and pitchforks for just a moment. And if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. I'll excuse myself while the rest of you throw the party. ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png)
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Post by papaspud on Mar 13, 2019 19:15:44 GMT
Sounds like you live in an alternate reality, have tunnel vision or just displaying denial. This "but Anthem is fun" defense is so weak and just shows how much of a failure Anthem is. Anthem was supposed to be more than fun, it was the Bob "Dylan" of videogames and the game that shows us that MEA was a fluke and not a pattern because it was made by the Bioware A team with 6 years of development. Instead it got Sony offering refunds Instead it got average 60% review scores Instead it players asking for a boycott Instead it got a really poor fan reception Instead it has EA really silent on how it has done post launch. We have player count stats for Apex and yet we have nothing similar for Anthem. YOU and the many others here who are allergic to saying something less than ideal about Bioware will deny deny deny and deny all day. But your denial does not change the current state of things. Just look at the current reception to The Divison 2 beta and early launch......now compare that to Anthem's open bets and early launch. Now with logic explain to me why Anthem will be able to stand toe to toe with Divison 2? This article says it all: www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2019/03/13/the-division-2-is-good-and-that-is-bad-news-for-anthem/#1a334b7e3b80Oh please. I could write an essay but seeing as I'm on mobile and at work my post was as simple and easy I could make it under the circumstances. Angry and vocal players always drown out the more reserved "I like this game" users anyway. People like you are ridiculous and are EXACTLY why you dont see more people supporting this game on any type of forum. I like it and enjoy it in spite of its flaws and am more than open to criticisms of it. You insult someone who likes the game to the point it's not even worth replying to these threads. I still dont think this is the end of Bioware, I really dont because Anthem is a fun game and is definitely noticed for it if everyone would put down their torch and pitchforks for just a moment. And if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. I'll excuse myself while the rest of you throw the party. And blind supporters like you are why we got the mess we have now. I don't "SUPPORT" products that are pretty much crap. If you like it, fine, but please don't expect others to all like this half-baked joke of a game.Maybe it won't be the end of Bioware, but there is going to be a big awakening behind the scenes I'll bet as they lose their jobs for being so bad at them.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Mar 13, 2019 19:26:17 GMT
General warning:
Calling people ridiculous and/or blaming fellow forum members (or "people like them") for a game being bad are both examples of things that are not going to fly here.
Cut it out, thanks.
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Post by biggydx on Mar 13, 2019 19:28:23 GMT
For as many issues that the game has, these looter shooter games have shown that they're pretty damn resilient to going under. The Division 1 lost 93% of its playerbase after the 1st month. Bungie fucked up twice with Destiny. These games just have ways of keeping people around.
As for one game pulling players from another, that's partially true but not the end case. Remember how lambasted CoD:IW was when that game was first revealed, and everyone was saying BF1 was going to eat it for dinner? CoD:IW still ended up having the larger playerbase. People fall into niche groups. A person who likes third person, cover-based combat (ala The Division) isn't going to jump ship to Destiny all of a sudden. Same will happen with Anthem. Most people who do transfer over are people who generally enjoy the genre from the onset, and will likely have all these games in rotation anyway.
As for Anthem, BioWares gonna have to settle being at the lower rung until they (hopefully) figure out how they can unfuck themselves. I'm not happy with the state this game has released in, and people should be vocal. However, I think all these games will end up settling into their own slice of the pie.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Mar 13, 2019 20:04:29 GMT
On a single player game, this notion of keep playing said game for 500+ hours is absurd. There're literally thousands of games releasing each year, and people are busier than ever. Metrics show that the majority of people don't even finish games anymore, because they're so long and with so many DLCs it never fucking ends. Most of us just want a good story to be able to be finished in the 40 something hours span, and then move on. I don't want to play a SP game forever. Very true to me. I got bored in Inquisition in 50s hours and rushed the game to kill its boss ASAP. 30-50 hours is a sweet duration for a single player RPG and there is many good ol' RPGs to play that have great stories, don't force you to do fetch quests or kill shitloads of enemies for the next area to be opened.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Mar 13, 2019 20:07:44 GMT
.... I wanna play Mass Effect forever... ![:?](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/IzbAUEtAVJBTK0Mulyes.png)
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 13, 2019 20:13:24 GMT
For as many issues that the game has, these looter shooter games have shown that they're pretty damn resilient to going under. The Division 1 lost 93% of its playerbase after the 1st month. Bungie fucked up twice with Destiny. These games just have ways of keeping people around. That's the part that is kinda sad. Many people are so okay with the idea of having a terrible game at launch just for the thought of "it will be fixed at some point" It's like people don't value their money anymore. And this hurts the industry, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's real. More and more we are starting to see half-baked games, and the same company does it over and over again, because they keep getting away with it each time. I think it helps them with what I've mentioned previously, the pre orders. Companies really expect to make most of their money by selling before the product is done, pure marketing. After that is just microtransactions for the people who sticks around. Nobody who actually watches/reads a review ends up buying a game that has so many issues with the premise of "maybe it will be fixed" And by the time everyting or most of the issues are fixed, DLC dropped and what not, the game is being discounted (which on its own way is a different way of marketing), some people get convinced and buy it then, 1 and a half year after release.
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Post by decafhigh on Mar 13, 2019 20:24:30 GMT
I believe it has been every single game for over a decade now. ME1, DAO, ME2, DA2, SWTOR, ME3, DAI, MEA, and now Anthem have all been the game that would kill BioWare. And that’s just the ones I know of. I don't remember this being a serious topic of discussion till at least after the ME3 debacle. There were people that didn't like ME2 or DA2 but no one was seriously thinking Bioware was in danger of being closed down. As for MEA, the people saying it were at least half right. So I don't see this as some "far out crazy" idea that Bioware could be in danger of being shuttered or at the least having their budgets slashed deeply enough to push the studio into obscurity.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Mar 13, 2019 20:30:46 GMT
Andromeda was supposed to be their "one more chance" after the whole ME3 stuff. Then Anthem was supposed to be the "one more chance" after MEA. Now after Anthem DA4 is supposed to be the "one more chance". At what point do some people to understand that something is inherently wrong at Bioware? People just love shitty games and will defend their poor games. Fanboyism 101. Yeah even I like this game despite being one of the weakest in the series. My excuse is that it was one of my first (action)RPGs and I was 15. ![](https://storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/AzXaeStCEQFFyFTdyuGW.png) Well it's still more fun than some of the games released in the last few years. ![](https://storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/rAaTpJjVcLRThZHhmCqa.png)
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Post by LogicGunn on Mar 13, 2019 20:36:21 GMT
I don't think it's Bioware that's dying I think it's MP gaming. Devs keep pushing for it but there seems to be no real appetite.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 13, 2019 20:42:16 GMT
Oh please. I could write an essay but seeing as I'm on mobile and at work my post was as simple and easy I could make it under the circumstances. Angry and vocal players always drown out the more reserved "I like this game" users anyway. People like you are ridiculous and are EXACTLY why you dont see more people supporting this game on any type of forum. I like it and enjoy it in spite of its flaws and am more than open to criticisms of it. You insult someone who likes the game to the point it's not even worth replying to these threads. I still dont think this is the end of Bioware, I really dont because Anthem is a fun game and is definitely noticed for it if everyone would put down their torch and pitchforks for just a moment. And if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. I'll excuse myself while the rest of you throw the party. I just think its the same thing that happened with Captain Marvel. You had a lot of people online talking about how bad the movie is or how it should be boycotted because of reasons they felt were just and the movie still did massively well, even some of those complaints you can see echos of towards BioWare games. I think the problem is that people get segregated into camps while the middle ground just raise their hands to the arguments and walk off to do whatever they enjoy doing. While the people that get stuck in their corners just get louder for they see how the people in their area feel the same as they do. You can see that with others games that people bring up such as Diablo 3, Destiny, Destiny 2, or The Division. All three of those games had a troubled launch with people talking about how those games were going to fail and eventually for it took time they all found their place. Game developers and publishers are secretive with their numbers anymore and I think that has a lot to do with those same groups using them as ammunition against the games so we will not really know the true numbers for Anthem, but I think like Andromeda the people doing the most speculating one way or the others are going to be wrong and the truth is in the middle.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 13, 2019 20:43:32 GMT
For as many issues that the game has, these looter shooter games have shown that they're pretty damn resilient to going under. The Division 1 lost 93% of its playerbase after the 1st month. Bungie fucked up twice with Destiny. These games just have ways of keeping people around. As for one game pulling players from another, that's partially true but not the end case. Remember how lambasted CoD:IW was when that game was first revealed, and everyone was saying BF1 was going to eat it for dinner? CoD:IW still ended up having the larger playerbase. People fall into niche groups. A person who likes third person, cover-based combat (ala The Division) isn't going to jump ship to Destiny all of a sudden. Same will happen with Anthem. Most people who do transfer over are people who generally enjoy the genre from the onset, and will likely have all these games in rotation anyway. As for Anthem, BioWares gonna have to settle being at the lower rung until they (hopefully) figure out how they can unfuck themselves. I'm not happy with the state this game has released in, and people should be vocal. However, I think all these games will end up settling into their own slice of the pie. We should probably start preparing ourselves for the scenario where, no matter what we hardcore fans think, EA declares and really believes Anthem to be a success.
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Post by aglomeracja on Mar 13, 2019 20:57:31 GMT
I'd say MEA was clearly a failure because they didn't release any of the dlc's leaving all those set up plot lines unresolved and Bioware Motreal seized to exist.
I don't know what fate awaits Anthem, but I do know that the game released with little content and fucklot of bugs/issues. They are having a hard time patching it up and aparently most announced events for upcoming weeks are going to be like "kill 100 beasts" one. That's just not great.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 13, 2019 21:02:04 GMT
Oh please. I could write an essay but seeing as I'm on mobile and at work my post was as simple and easy I could make it under the circumstances. Angry and vocal players always drown out the more reserved "I like this game" users anyway. People like you are ridiculous and are EXACTLY why you dont see more people supporting this game on any type of forum. I like it and enjoy it in spite of its flaws and am more than open to criticisms of it. You insult someone who likes the game to the point it's not even worth replying to these threads. I still dont think this is the end of Bioware, I really dont because Anthem is a fun game and is definitely noticed for it if everyone would put down their torch and pitchforks for just a moment. And if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. I'll excuse myself while the rest of you throw the party. And blind supporters like you are why we got the mess we have now. I don't "SUPPORT" products that are pretty much crap. If you like it, fine, but please don't expect others to all like this half-baked joke of a game.Maybe it won't be the end of Bioware, but there is going to be a big awakening behind the scenes I'll bet as they lose their jobs for being so bad at them. Maybe you should just go back to that smug circle jerk in the skepticism thread then and continue to laugh at the misfortune of things in your own bubble of self-loathing?
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 13, 2019 21:04:34 GMT
I don't think it's Bioware that's dying I think it's MP gaming. Devs keep pushing for it but there seems to be no real appetite. Possible, but the problem is it keeps making money and has been super lucrative, even in single player games like GTA V. I think the issue is something different; perhaps an issue of minority view being thrusted into a modern form of games as a service not going anywhere and feeding the appetites of their consumer base.
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Post by biggydx on Mar 13, 2019 21:06:46 GMT
For as many issues that the game has, these looter shooter games have shown that they're pretty damn resilient to going under. The Division 1 lost 93% of its playerbase after the 1st month. Bungie fucked up twice with Destiny. These games just have ways of keeping people around. That's the part that is kinda sad. Many people are so okay with the idea of having a terrible game at launch just for the thought of "it will be fixed at some point" It's like people don't value their money anymore. And this hurts the industry, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's real. More and more we are starting to see half-baked games, and the same company does it over and over again, because they keep getting away with it each time. I think it helps them with what I've mentioned previously, the pre orders. Companies really expect to make most of their money by selling before the product is done, pure marketing. After that is just microtransactions for the people who sticks around. Nobody who actually watches/reads a review ends up buying a game that has so many issues with the premise of "maybe it will be fixed" And by the time everyting or most of the issues are fixed, DLC dropped and what not, the game is being discounted (which on its own way is a different way of marketing), some people get convinced and buy it then, 1 and a half year after release. I can understand that, and I dont want you to think that Anthems current state is excusable. My main issue with this genre is that, because it tries to blend some many elements from various genres together, it ultimately makes it much more difficult to make within the time frame that the devs are given. For a game like this to succeed on the first try, I wouldn't be surprised if they need at least 8 years to get it right on all fronts; and no investor/publisher would accept that. Worse still, is that both Destiny and Anthem are developed on engines that have been known to give them problems. The genre is rife with problems for newcomers, and unfortunately, Anthem has joined its ranks. Borderlands will likely have a better time of things if they dont make the game out to be this MMO-esque experience, and focus primarily on making a solid single player campaign with good loot incentive. They've already got three games worth of experience to lay the foundation down, and probably one of the most well-known and reliable engines on the market; Unreal Engine. I dont see it being hard for them to make a good game as a result.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 13, 2019 21:10:16 GMT
For as many issues that the game has, these looter shooter games have shown that they're pretty damn resilient to going under. The Division 1 lost 93% of its playerbase after the 1st month. Bungie fucked up twice with Destiny. These games just have ways of keeping people around. That's the part that is kinda sad. Many people are so okay with the idea of having a terrible game at launch just for the thought of "it will be fixed at some point" It's like people don't value their money anymore. And this hurts the industry, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's real. More and more we are starting to see half-baked games, and the same company does it over and over again, because they keep getting away with it each time. I think it helps them with what I've mentioned previously, the pre orders. Companies really expect to make most of their money by selling before the product is done, pure marketing. After that is just microtransactions for the people who sticks around. Nobody who actually watches/reads a review ends up buying a game that has so many issues with the premise of "maybe it will be fixed" And by the time everyting or most of the issues are fixed, DLC dropped and what not, the game is being discounted (which on its own way is a different way of marketing), some people get convinced and buy it then, 1 and a half year after release. The caveat though is we live in an age where they do get better or "fixed at some point" because of the current money-making model. A decade ago....bug fixes wouldn't even be a thing at the speeds they are now. A generation ago they didn't even exist, and what you get is bugs that don't get fixed. That is a positive change but it also requires a few adjustments to our own consumer patterns to avoid all of this negative BS id say. The value they get with their money is ultimately the factor of their fun with the product. Take that for what you will, but there is a reason why games have become lucrative with microtransactions or loot boxes. There is a reason why its a service model that has months of support behind it. It keeps people engaged, allows for long play time sessions, and is...well, cheaper most of the time for the consumers and the publishers in a world of ballooning costs. That, or we actually let games be adjusted to their proper price tag as a luxury item due to their cost, but thats not going to happen.
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Post by biggydx on Mar 13, 2019 21:14:12 GMT
We should probably start preparing ourselves for the scenario where, no matter what we hardcore fans think, EA declares and really believes Anthem to be a success. If Anthem has ultimately made EA a lot of return on investment, and a steady stream of recurring revenue, then yes they will likely continue to put money into it. At this point, I dont foresee Dragon Age 4 coming out until Winter 2022. That'll likely give time for next gen consoles to release. I remember Mike Laidlaw saying the biggest mistake BioWare made with Inquisition was not making it next-gen only; like The Witcher 3. That's a pretty long wait for Dragon Age fans unfortunately. EA is probably going to want to spotlight Respawn Entertainments games during that period. What's interesting, is that this could potentially give BioWare more breathing room in terms of the frequency at which they make their games. Both they and DICE were essentially the only big honchos that EA had up their sleeve, which meant a lot of money needed to be extracted out of these companies as a result. Quarters needed to be filled with games that could make a profit, so more projects needed to come out of each studio. This makes me wonder if EA will let DICE work on Battlefield for another year, while Respawn puts out their Star Wars title.
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