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Post by Obadiah on Mar 24, 2019 18:19:05 GMT
I like the original story.
I'm not much of a fan of lost history of ancient civilizations since that's been every Bioware game for a while now - and I think we all know there will be massive twist to that General Tarsis history that most of the lore is built on.
The original story at least explains why the damn default intro animation for the missions is a Javelin falling out of the sky.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 26, 2019 16:18:46 GMT
I don't know. I learned a long time ago not to read too much into these early concept ideas. For example, when I read the early plot outline for Ultima IX Ascension way back in the day, I was baffled and thought it was so much better than what we got but hey it was just an early outline on paper in the end and there might be 100 reasons why it didn't work that way and needed to be changed, The same probably goes for Anthem. And in this case, I am not even sure I like this concept more than what we got. The "stranded ship, Robinson Crusoe" kinda thing has been done before quite a bit. On the other hand, the mix of middle-of-the-apocalypse scifi-fantasy setting that we have now, I find is pretty unique (only similar one that comes to mind is Elex). While I have my issues with the plot and the characters in Anthem, I think the overall scenario and the world itself are quite interesting (especially if you read the codex) and the fact that they are using this unknowable force of the anthem to craft some sort of foreign concept of technology is quite cool. So I don't mind they abandoned that early plot. I quite like what it evolved into.
Also, the other plot would have been quite close to Mass Effect Andromeda in a way (though the idiots in the Initiative kinda stranded themselves on purpose )
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 26, 2019 16:36:20 GMT
I think it's because what we got so far is basically the prologue. The stage is set. Start act one. I am sorry but how is that supposed to work? They said there wouldn't be payed DLCs for Anthem. Do you really believe we'll get further story content of the same or even greater amount to what we already got for release? I don't think so, not for free. A few missions here and there, sure but certainly not an entire new campaign or even more. Those mo-cap and voice recordings aren't exactly cheap.
There is not much benefit in "giving us the prologue" if act 1 doesn't really show up until Anthem 2 (if that ever comes) in 6 years or whatever.
Mind you, I was ok with the story we got, I think it's fine for the kind of game Anthem is. This is MP and coop based after all, I never expected a full fledged ME/DA style RPG.
But that argument "It's just the prologue, we'll get act 1 and then some" is just unrealistic IMO, unless they reneg on their all-DLCs-are-free promise, which would also be a shitty thing to do.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 26, 2019 16:45:25 GMT
I think it's because what we got so far is basically the prologue. The stage is set. Start act one. I am sorry but how is that supposed to work? They said there wouldn't be payed DLCs for Anthem. Do you really believe we'll get further story content of the same or even greater amount to what we already got for release? I don't think so, not for free. A few missions here and there, sure but certainly not an entire new campaign or even more. Those mo-cap and voice recordings aren't exactly cheap.
There is not much benefit in "giving us the prologue" if act 1 doesn't really show up until Anthem 2 (if that ever comes) in 6 years or whatever.
Mind you, I was ok with the story we got, I think it's fine for the kind of game Anthem is. This is MP and coop based after all, I never expected a full fledged ME/DA style RPG.
But that argument "It's just the prologue, we'll get act 1 and then some" is just unrealistic IMO, unless they reneg on their all-DLCs-are-free promise, which would also be a shitty thing to do.
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Post by Thrombin on Mar 26, 2019 16:58:50 GMT
I think it's because what we got so far is basically the prologue. The stage is set. Start act one. I am sorry but how is that supposed to work? They said there wouldn't be payed DLCs for Anthem. Do you really believe we'll get further story content of the same or even greater amount to what we already got for release? I don't think so, not for free. A few missions here and there, sure but certainly not an entire new campaign or even more. Those mo-cap and voice recordings aren't exactly cheap.
There is not much benefit in "giving us the prologue" if act 1 doesn't really show up until Anthem 2 (if that ever comes) in 6 years or whatever.
Mind you, I was ok with the story we got, I think it's fine for the kind of game Anthem is. This is MP and coop based after all, I never expected a full fledged ME/DA style RPG.
But that argument "It's just the prologue, we'll get act 1 and then some" is just unrealistic IMO, unless they reneg on their all-DLCs-are-free promise, which would also be a shitty thing to do.
Of course we are getting more story. The term DLC doesn't apply here, it is a long term project with constantly updated game material (for free) over many years. That's already been explicitly stated.
Not to mention the fact that they have tweeted shots of the cast gathering to record new material.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 26, 2019 16:59:13 GMT
Ok then... I was actually really hoping you'd elaborate a little on this, as to what you think will happen with Anthem. I really wasn't trying to shut you down or anything. I am generally curious what you think we'll get as act 1 in the future and how you see it being feasible for BW to produce. Of course we are getting more story. The term DLC doesn't apply here, it is a long term project with constantly updated game material (for free) over many years. That's already been explicitly stated. Not to mention the fact that they have tweeted shots of the cast gathering to record new material.
But how do you see them financing anything that goes beyond maybe a mission or 2 here and there? That's what I don't understand. If you look at other GaaS games, none of them delivered a great deal of story content after the initial release unless it was in a paid add-on format (like The Divison's Underground DLC). Everything else is mainly missions to keep people playing, provide new challenges, etc.in order to keep people interested in the microtransactions.
Even if BW wants to add more story than anyone else, I doubt they can deliver entire additional campaigns. It is simply the most expensive and least long term motivating content to add and EA/BW are not maintaining Anthem for charity. If they have any business sense at all, they will mostly concentrate on more procedural and repeatable content and do the odd story mission here and there in order not to loose face. I would be really surprised if we see more than that since there is simply no good reason for it.
And I, too read the timeline they put up and as far as I can see, there is nothing specific enough in it to suggest that "act 1" and the others is anything beyond what I expect we'll get.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 26, 2019 17:13:45 GMT
Ok then...
I was actually really hoping you'd elaborate a little on this, as to what you think will happen with Anthem. I really wasn't trying to shut you down or anything. I am generally curious what you think we'll get as act 1 in the future and how you see it being feasible for BW to produce.
Bioware have decided to divide up the first year into three acts. I'm more inclined to look on the first year as act one.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 26, 2019 17:21:07 GMT
The game is built to accomodate future content updates. That's all about the famous "10 year plans". They have a 1 year or so roadmap of content delivery. If it doesn't fly and numbers don't add up it's gonna be axed and to hell with 10 year plan. If it does it'll get another short to medium term roadmap of content delivery and so on.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 26, 2019 17:32:12 GMT
Bioware have decided to divide up the first year into three acts. I'm more inclined to look on the first year as act one. Well, let's wait and see what we'll get. I mean, I'd be more than happy if you guys are right and we do get a serious load of further meaningful story content. I am just not going to set myself up for disappointment here for the reasons stated above.
Pounce de León: Oh sure, there will be additions and such, no doubt about that. But I have yet to see any GaaS game to add extensive and meaningful story content outside of paid DLC. I'd be really surprised of Anthem starts that ll of a sudden. Small things, sure but to expect something along the lines of "the campaign so far was a prologue and now we'll get act 1" is very very optimistic IMO.
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Post by Sah291 on Mar 26, 2019 17:48:45 GMT
Has BW said they won't be doing any sequels/expansions (assuming the game is successful enough of course). I'm assuming it's meant to be a new IP series/franchise. The game will include free DLC and updates through year one , but does that neccesarily preclude a sequel proper down the road?
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 26, 2019 17:53:30 GMT
Has BW said they won't be doing any sequels/expansions (assuming the game is successful enough of course). I'm assuming it's meant to be a new IP series/franchise. The game will include free DLC and updates through year one , but does that neccesarily preclude a sequel proper down the road? No, nothing precludes that as far as I know. The discussion was purely about the story content in this game. If we start talking about Anthem 2, of course, all bets are off. But since Anthem is - as others have pointed out - designed as a long term GaaS, I don't see an Anthem 2 around d the corner.
As for paid DLC, afaik they did they that they do not want paid DLC beyond the cosmetic micro-transaction stuff. I am not aware that this was limited to the first year (but of course, I may have missed that).
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 26, 2019 18:04:16 GMT
Darrah was a bit vague on the risk of future paid story content and such but Hudson later was instead rather firm and said all future paid game content would solely be cosmetic. I believe Casey trumps Mark. 😎 But who really knows. On the other hand the model as such is used in games like the Division 2 and Fallout 76 as well.
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Post by Sah291 on Mar 26, 2019 18:09:30 GMT
Has BW said they won't be doing any sequels/expansions (assuming the game is successful enough of course). I'm assuming it's meant to be a new IP series/franchise. The game will include free DLC and updates through year one , but does that neccesarily preclude a sequel proper down the road? No, nothing precludes that as far as I know. The discussion was purely about the story content in this game. If we start talking about Anthem 2, of course, all bets are off. But since Anthem is - as others have pointed out - designed as a long term GaaS, I don't see an Anthem 2 around d the corner.
As for paid DLC, afaik they did they that they do not want paid DLC beyond the cosmetic micro-transaction stuff. I am not aware that this was limited to the first year.
As far as I know they haven't said anything about free DLC being limited to year 1 only. I was just referring to the year 1 road map, which is what they have planned so far.
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Post by Thrombin on Mar 27, 2019 10:47:25 GMT
But how do you see them financing anything that goes beyond maybe a mission or 2 here and there? That's what I don't understand. If you look at other GaaS games, none of them delivered a great deal of story content after the initial release unless it was in a paid add-on format (like The Divison's Underground DLC). Everything else is mainly missions to keep people playing, provide new challenges, etc.in order to keep people interested in the microtransactions.
Even if BW wants to add more story than anyone else, I doubt they can deliver entire additional campaigns. It is simply the most expensive and least long term motivating content to add and EA/BW are not maintaining Anthem for charity. If they have any business sense at all, they will mostly concentrate on more procedural and repeatable content and do the odd story mission here and there in order not to loose face. I would be really surprised if we see more than that since there is simply no good reason for it. And I, too read the timeline they put up and as far as I can see, there is nothing specific enough in it to suggest that "act 1" and the others is anything beyond what I expect we'll get.
I am similarly bemused by how they expect to finance regular story content with just the money from cosmetics (and new people buying the game, of course) but this is what they have said they plan to do. No money will be charged for anything other than cosmetics. They are clearly working on new content currently, as we've seen the tweets of the actors back for more recording sessions so I have no reason to believe we won't get more story and I expect the intention is to keep adding story on an ongoing basis.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 27, 2019 11:37:21 GMT
I don't really buy inte the reddit "truth" of players only want to pay for armor. Players pay for emotes in every other similar game out there. they will pay for emotes in Anthem as well.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 27, 2019 20:02:44 GMT
I don't really buy inte the reddit "truth" of players only want to pay for armor. Players pay for emotes in every other similar game out there. they will pay for emotes in Anthem as well. I’m pretty sure emotes would count as cosmetic
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Post by Croatsky on Apr 4, 2019 9:44:21 GMT
Whilst I think where the story ended up is much preferable, I find it interesting to see how close the original themes were to Andromeda. Indeed, it sounds a lot like Andromeda.
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