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Post by midnight tea on Mar 27, 2019 22:29:02 GMT
Ever since Battlefront II debacle (and consistently not-well or meh received performances at E3) there's been a lot of talk that the one place EA really need changes is in their marketing and publishing strategies, as they simply don't serve them well way too often (which is why I find it hilarious that the first reactions to Anthem doing well financially is trying to spin it as if EA are master marketers that wooed the unsuspecting public ) - so... they're doing that I guess. It's sad that it requires so many layoffs, but given what happens in the industry it's not surprising in the slightest. Question remains what exactly they're going to do in that regard that they think will serve them better, especially with fewer people involved? However - I don't think it's Apex Legends that has spurned the purge in those departments, if employees knew that they'd experience layoffs since October last year. Oh I know it's not due to apex. What is more likely is the "surprise" release like Apex for future games. Imagine they drop Dragon Age 4 out of nowhere. I think it only works as a surprise for select games or on specific occasions. Can you imagine the outrage if Anthem dropped and people only now learned that it's a multiplayer co-op instead of traditional Bioware fare? With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if they sprung DA4 when people least expect it, because BW devs have long expressed being impressed with the way Bethesda managed to pull that trick with Fallout 4.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 27, 2019 22:44:26 GMT
It's not a video about acquisitions. In fact, I'm confused about how you even came to that conclusion - aside from simply not reading my comment and not following what's been said in yours at all about the reason why acquisition (and thus resulting layoffs) were made in the first place... I didn't say the video was about acquisitions. I'm saying I don't need to watch this video to know why these people were laid off. They were laid off because their jobs overlapped with an existing job at Disney plain and simple. You keep missing the point and focusing on superficial matters - yes, the people were laid off because of a lot of overlap between Fox and Disney departments (although we established already that it's not really true), but the reason Disney merged with Fox in the first place is the crux of the matter here. And you can't just dismiss this with 'oh, it's just that their jobs overlapped' or 'they will be paid for months to soften then blow', because Activision and EA workers that got laid off weren't immediately ditched on the pavement as well. Both moves signify major changes both for companies AND either signify or will perpetrate larger changes on the market. If you were so quick about finding the article about acquisitions, you should as easily find tons of articles talking about how Disney's merger or their decisions to ditch not just overlapping departments, but labels helping fund and distribute certain types of movies means shake-up for Hollywood and industry as a whole. Movies will look differently - and I mean both blockbusters as well as indie films, given less opportunities between less studios pushed out by the mogul. And with Disney monopolizing the market, you think it will be easy for these thousands of workers to find jobs, especially if they'd wish to stay tied the industry or not have as much of an opportunity to find a similar jobs elsewhere? You mean that people will have more of an incentive to stay subbed to their streaming services, same way they do to Netflix (...or EA Access)???
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Post by cypherj on Mar 27, 2019 23:33:19 GMT
I didn't say the video was about acquisitions. I'm saying I don't need to watch this video to know why these people were laid off. They were laid off because their jobs overlapped with an existing job at Disney plain and simple. You keep missing the point and focusing on superficial matters - yes, the people were laid off because of a lot of overlap between Fox and Disney departments ( although we established already that it's not really true), but the reason Disney merged with Fox in the first place is the crux of the matter here. And you can't just dismiss this with 'oh, it's just that their jobs overlapped' or 'they will be paid for months to soften then blow', because Activision and EA workers that got laid off weren't immediately ditched on the pavement as well. Both moves signify major changes both for companies AND either signify or will perpetrate larger changes on the market. If you were so quick about finding the article about acquisitions, you should as easily find tons of articles talking about how Disney's merger or their decisions to ditch not just overlapping departments, but labels helping fund and distribute certain types of movies means shake-up for Hollywood and industry as a whole. Movies will look differently - and I mean both blockbusters as well as indie films, given less opportunities between less studios pushed out by the mogul. And with Disney monopolizing the market, you think it will be easy for these thousands of workers to find jobs, especially if they'd wish to stay tied the industry or not have as much of an opportunity to find a similar jobs elsewhere? You mean that people will have more of an incentive to stay subbed to their streaming services, same way they do to Netflix (...or EA Access)??? When did we establish this? That's exactly what happened. Acquisitions happen for all types of reason. To fill a need, to grow market share when you don't want to do it organically. But the result is always going to be the same. The jobs from the company that was acquired that overlap are eliminated. Obviously, Fox isn't a marketing or HR company, but people there are doing marketing, someone is hiring and firing people, someone is paying people, paying vendors, forecasting, doing general accounting. All these jobs will be gone because Disney has people doing this already on top of the obvious overlap in filmmaking jobs. You're trying to correlate these layoffs directly to Disney trying to grab up as much as they can, and then trying to compare it to EA. Companies change business plans and models all the time, and if acquisitions occur, the result is usually the same. AT&T tried to monopolize the industry years ago. They got too big, were broken up, and now AT&T is starting the same thing again. Same plan, different medium. Correlation is not always causation. But I'm not going to hijack this thread anymore, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
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Post by shinobiwan on Mar 27, 2019 23:51:06 GMT
You keep missing the point and focusing on superficial matters - yes, the people were laid off because of a lot of overlap between Fox and Disney departments ( although we established already that it's not really true), but the reason Disney merged with Fox in the first place is the crux of the matter here. And you can't just dismiss this with 'oh, it's just that their jobs overlapped' or 'they will be paid for months to soften then blow', because Activision and EA workers that got laid off weren't immediately ditched on the pavement as well. Both moves signify major changes both for companies AND either signify or will perpetrate larger changes on the market. If you were so quick about finding the article about acquisitions, you should as easily find tons of articles talking about how Disney's merger or their decisions to ditch not just overlapping departments, but labels helping fund and distribute certain types of movies means shake-up for Hollywood and industry as a whole. Movies will look differently - and I mean both blockbusters as well as indie films, given less opportunities between less studios pushed out by the mogul. And with Disney monopolizing the market, you think it will be easy for these thousands of workers to find jobs, especially if they'd wish to stay tied the industry or not have as much of an opportunity to find a similar jobs elsewhere? You mean that people will have more of an incentive to stay subbed to their streaming services, same way they do to Netflix (...or EA Access)??? When did we establish this? That's exactly what happened. Acquisitions happen for all types of reason. To fill a need, to grow market share when you don't want to do it organically. But the result is always going to be the same. The jobs from the company that was acquired that overlap are eliminated. Obviously, Fox isn't a marketing or HR company, but people there are doing marketing, someone is hiring and firing people, someone is paying people, paying vendors, forecasting, doing general accounting. All these jobs will be gone because Disney has people doing this already on top of the obvious overlap in filmmaking jobs. You're trying to correlate these layoffs directly to Disney trying to grab up as much as they can, and then trying to compare it to EA. Companies change business plans and models all the time, and if acquisitions occur, the result is usually the same. AT&T tried to monopolize the industry years ago. They got too big, were broken up, and now AT&T is starting the same thing again. Same plan, different medium. Correlation is not always causation. But I'm not going to hijack this thread anymore, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. People were laid off from Fox because of deal-related synergies (e.g., no need for two separate departments to do the same thing). This happens in most every acquisition by a strategic buyer (as opposed to a financial buyer). EA laid people off because its performance was lagging and they needed to cut costs.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 28, 2019 0:04:10 GMT
Imagine they drop Dragon Age 4 out of nowhere. It would avoid months of argument about hair and romance.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 28, 2019 0:07:28 GMT
You keep missing the point and focusing on superficial matters - yes, the people were laid off because of a lot of overlap between Fox and Disney departments ( although we established already that it's not really true), but the reason Disney merged with Fox in the first place is the crux of the matter here. And you can't just dismiss this with 'oh, it's just that their jobs overlapped' or 'they will be paid for months to soften then blow', because Activision and EA workers that got laid off weren't immediately ditched on the pavement as well. Both moves signify major changes both for companies AND either signify or will perpetrate larger changes on the market. If you were so quick about finding the article about acquisitions, you should as easily find tons of articles talking about how Disney's merger or their decisions to ditch not just overlapping departments, but labels helping fund and distribute certain types of movies means shake-up for Hollywood and industry as a whole. Movies will look differently - and I mean both blockbusters as well as indie films, given less opportunities between less studios pushed out by the mogul. And with Disney monopolizing the market, you think it will be easy for these thousands of workers to find jobs, especially if they'd wish to stay tied the industry or not have as much of an opportunity to find a similar jobs elsewhere? You mean that people will have more of an incentive to stay subbed to their streaming services, same way they do to Netflix (...or EA Access)??? When did we establish this? That's exactly what happened. Acquisitions happen for all types of reason. To fill a need, to grow market share when you don't want to do it organically. But the result is always going to be the same. The jobs from the company that was acquired that overlap are eliminated. Obviously, Fox isn't a marketing or HR company, but people there are doing marketing, someone is hiring and firing people, someone is paying people, paying vendors, forecasting, doing general accounting. All these jobs will be gone because Disney has people doing this already on top of the obvious overlap in filmmaking jobs. When it was mentioned that Disney has axed Fox 2000 label. There's no 'duplicate' for that - closing that venue to finance movies ultimately closes an opportunity to finance different filmmaking projects in Hollywood and - given how things went in last few years - pushing the funds to more expensive, blockbuster projects instead of midbudget movies. Well, you just correlated it yourself big time Keep in mind that I mentioned woes of movie industry to underline my earlier point that that many problems across gaming industry are part of bigger, systemic issues that have to be corrected or taken care of before we want to see permanent better changes for gaming, as EA or Activision going away are simply not going to fix underlying issues that are present in different branches of the entertainment industry as well as market as a whole. The fact that we're going through medium revolution and corporations are jumping through hoops to remain the top players is only a part of this dance, that in itself isn't anything we didn't see before. So thank you for agreeing with me, I guess.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 28, 2019 0:08:46 GMT
Imagine they drop Dragon Age 4 out of nowhere. It would avoid months of argument about hair and romance. Ummm... have you been to a place called the uBSN, Sofa? I'm fairly sure we can find different threads about those exact things if we comb through this wild, exotic forum
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Post by cypherj on Mar 28, 2019 0:12:31 GMT
When did we establish this? That's exactly what happened. Acquisitions happen for all types of reason. To fill a need, to grow market share when you don't want to do it organically. But the result is always going to be the same. The jobs from the company that was acquired that overlap are eliminated. Obviously, Fox isn't a marketing or HR company, but people there are doing marketing, someone is hiring and firing people, someone is paying people, paying vendors, forecasting, doing general accounting. All these jobs will be gone because Disney has people doing this already on top of the obvious overlap in filmmaking jobs. You're trying to correlate these layoffs directly to Disney trying to grab up as much as they can, and then trying to compare it to EA. Companies change business plans and models all the time, and if acquisitions occur, the result is usually the same. AT&T tried to monopolize the industry years ago. They got too big, were broken up, and now AT&T is starting the same thing again. Same plan, different medium. Correlation is not always causation. But I'm not going to hijack this thread anymore, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. People were laid off from Fox because of deal-related synergies (e.g., no need for two separate departments to do the same thing). This happens in most every acquisition by a strategic buyer (as opposed to a financial buyer). EA laid people off because its performance was lagging and they needed to cut costs. This all I've been saying from the start as far as the first part goes.
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Post by shinobiwan on Mar 28, 2019 0:14:20 GMT
People were laid off from Fox because of deal-related synergies (e.g., no need for two separate departments to do the same thing). This happens in most every acquisition by a strategic buyer (as opposed to a financial buyer). EA laid people off because its performance was lagging and they needed to cut costs. This all I've been saying from the start as far as the first part goes. That's M&A 101. Not even. If someone isn't getting that, they really don't have anything to add to the conversation.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Mar 28, 2019 2:11:08 GMT
Imagine they drop Dragon Age 4 out of nowhere. It would avoid months of argument about hair and romance. This is for what BSN was born for...
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 28, 2019 5:00:07 GMT
You're wrong. About everything. Source: dude from movie business, that also has played Life the board game, and Monopoly. For someone that knows proper grammar and some decent words, your understanding of m&a is really poor and your understanding of the production side of showbusiness is a laughable joke.
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Post by saandrig on Mar 28, 2019 7:51:12 GMT
Imagine they drop Dragon Age 4 out of nowhere. It would avoid months of argument about hair and romance. Then we better start now!
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Post by armass81 on Apr 19, 2019 7:42:29 GMT
They make this crap as long as people keep buying. Dont expect a change in EAs policys, unless you stop buying.
Summarizes EAs customers pretty much.
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