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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 22, 2022 21:05:29 GMT
The only Telltale game I've played is Wolf Among Us, which I liked, but I found to be an odd experience. It won't be exactly like that, of course, but it'll have a certain familiarity, like how two open world games from two different developers will be quite different, but also have concepts and designs that are instantly recognisable between the two.
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Post by talyn82 on May 22, 2022 21:26:06 GMT
The only Telltale game I've played is Wolf Among Us, which I liked, but I found to be an odd experience. It won't be exactly like that, of course, but it'll have a certain familiarity, like how two open world games from two different developers will be quite different, but also have concepts and designs that are instantly recognisable between the two. You have not played the first season of Telltale's the Walking Dead? If you ever have nothing to play, I highly recommend that game. The main character Lee won best protagonist award, and he is memorable, and the little girl you have to protect Clementine is equally memorable. Like I said I highly recommend it. The game is not based on the tv show but the comic books. You don't need to be familiar with the comics to enjoy the game I never read them and still loved it. As for your example I understand what you mean and agree with it. Hmm, I think I might buy it I don't know.
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Post by talyn82 on May 23, 2022 20:18:46 GMT
Okay so I gave in last night and bought Swansong. I did the first part last night before I fell asleep. It consisted of introducing the main players of the court, and doing some investigation. The game does remind of the Telltale games. It's very dialogue heavy and you can control the character and roam around a bit looking for clues. Since my favorite superhero is Batman and one of my favorite parts of the Witcher 3 was doing detective work. This game is perfect for me. You have a number of skills to level and they are important during conversations. Each character has 3 disciplines some can be used to influence npc's through dialogue, and some can be used when roaming around. My favorite characters so far are the Ventrue Galeb and the Malkavian Leysha, although I like the Toreador Emem as well, I have trouble using her Celerity discipline. Some disciplines like Celerity and Obfuscate do not increase your blood thirst, while others like Auspex do. Oh be careful when feeding it's easy to kill a mortal through the feeding mechanic. The first time my character fed she killed the vessel.
As soon as you hear Leysha speak you can tell the Malkavian's have changed since Bloodlines. When she speaks you can understand her. She has visions of the future and does sound like a VTMB Malkavian when trying to piece it together. I am playing this blind, and so far I've messed up leveling Galeb for a Ventrue he's not very persuasive. When you level up you can choose between three predefined builds or make your own. For each character I chose a predefined build. Leysha (my favorite) I gave her the investigator build. For both Emem and Galeb I gave them the Veteran build. Each build has their strength and weaknesses. Since I am still early in the game I fail a lot during dialogue. That's because the dialogue choices are 1 or 2 levels above my current level so I fail. I guess this is how it's meant to be. Though in the case of Galeb it does not make sense since he's the oldest vampire in the city, and for centuries he was a shrewd business man. Each character has their own personality Emem the Toreador comes off as ungrateful. Galeb is like I said a shrewd businessman which makes him ruthless. Leysha is confused and has trouble controlling her visions. One time she was listening into a conversation and a vision was going to creep up. She had two options let it creep up or control it.
The game comes with a codex explaining each characters background, as well as the lore of the World of Darkness. For those who are interested in the game just remember two things. 1) This is not VTMB2 and 2) This is not a power fantasy, by that I mean as I said before you won't pass every dialogue check, and things won't go as planned sometimes. I wonder if there are different outcomes to the quests and if there are different endings based on your choices? My only complaint and this may make me sound shallow is that some vampires excluding the Nosferatu are ugly. I mean in popular media and even in Bloodlines the vamps were sexy like Jeanette and VV. Aside from that I am enjoying the game while you can tell this is not a triple A game, the graphics which get the most complaints are not that bad. But maybe that's me since I'm not too into graphics. I grew up in the 80' and 90's during the 8bit and 16bit era's, when the graphics were literally pixels. Another complaint most talk about are the animations. Since I focus on what the characters are saying I have not noticed any bad animations.
Lastly remember this is a detective game so search every nook and cranny. You will find yourself revisiting areas because you missed something.
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Post by trinity0 on May 24, 2022 8:26:01 GMT
I finished the game and i think i have to play it again. I really messed things up by updating the "wrong" skills or choosing the wrong dialog options. It was hard for me to figure out what are the correct dialog options My ending was not how i thought it would end. Choices really matter in this game.
Edit: This was the ending of my first playtrough. I don´t think it could be much worse:
Leysha was confronted with a Werwolf i freed earlier in the Game wit Galeb and i failed to hide from him 3 Times. --> That was the end of Leysha. The Werwolf killed her.
Emem mad it to the door of the Server Room and was confronted with an angry Nosferatu. The one Emem freed in the Chantry earlier in the game. He was not very gratefull and tried to kill Emem. Becaus i failed the confrontation he killed EMEM.
Galeb made it to Stanfield and again i failed the confontation and Stanfield killed Galeb
Epilog: The Engry Nosferatu who killem EMEM killed the Prince and the remaining Camarilla and London Camarilla took over
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Post by talyn82 on May 24, 2022 20:56:19 GMT
I finished the game and i think i have to play it again. I really messed things up by updating the "wrong" skills or choosing the wrong dialog options. It was hard for me to figure out what are the correct dialog options My ending was not how i thought it would end. Choices really matter in this game. I finished the first act two nights ago and I also finished the second act where Galeb, Leysha, and Emem go to different locations, and I don't know if it's because I leveled her wrong but when I finished the Leysha part in the mission summary it says I missed a lot of things. Even though I check every area 2-3 times I keep missing stuff. For Leysha I gave her the investigator profile, and so far it's been good but somehow I keep missing things.
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Post by talyn82 on May 30, 2022 3:35:46 GMT
For those who are interested but are hesitant to buy.
I completed Swansong and I enjoyed it. I first played Bloodlines back in 2019 so what I'm about to say may differ from what others think. My favorite part of Bloodlines was the dialogue and not the combat portions. I liked playing as a smooth talking Toreador or Ventrue in VTMB. All my characters in that game had high charisma and persuasion even the Malkavian. Swansong is dialogue heavy and has little to no action. Everything is handled through conversation. The three main characters are all interesting and great. But my favorite is the Malkavian Leysha towards the end you can really mess with npc's minds by using Dominate on them. I saw a review that said none of the characters are memorable, but all I can say there are a few I won't be forgetting anytime soon like the main three. During each scene you can always restart the scene.
Your choices do matter in this game and affect the ending you get. Also search everything for the most part I got a good ending but something happens that could have been prevented if I was more thorough. Of course some of the dots are difficult to see. I plan to replay the game at a later date to try different options or to try to get a better ending. I don't know how long the game is. For me it took a couple of days because I kept on restarting levels to get the best outcome, and on most I still did not get the best outcome. Without mentioning spoilers there is a scene in the game that is inspired by Bloodlines.
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Post by talyn82 on May 30, 2022 21:28:15 GMT
trinity0 I read your spoilers and the same thing happened to me. Luckily I could go back and restart the levels, so that's what I did trying to get the best outcome. My ending was somewhat good. By that I mean mission accomplished but since I did not do a thorough investigation, it came back and got me in the end.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 1, 2022 5:24:30 GMT
I've been playing it but i've had limited time this month so I'm not very far in.
I'm enjoying it. i also enjoyed the Council and that plus my familiarity with vtm meant i pretty much knew what to expect going in.
I'm particularly enjoying playing Leysha more than i expected. I'm not worrying about getting decisions wrong because i know from playing the council that the story will just keep going - you get a different result rather than a game over. (Learnt that the hard way by losing my hand lol) And i don't expect to do everything in one playthrough, some things are either/or.
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Post by talyn82 on Jun 1, 2022 22:34:13 GMT
I'm particularly enjoying playing Leysha more than i expected. Yeah me too although I always found Malkavians interesting since VTMB. I'm particularly enjoying playing Leysha more than i expected. I'm not worrying about getting decisions wrong because i know from playing the council that the story will just keep going - you get a different result rather than a game over. (Learnt that the hard way by losing my hand lol) And i don't expect to do everything in one playthrough, some things are either/or. I pretty much had the same just go with the flow mentality, but there was one scene I had to redo because I messed up in a previous scene.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jun 1, 2022 22:36:21 GMT
Yeah me too although I always found Malkavians interesting since VTMB. Actually - how was that handled in Swansong? I remember thinking that they'd have to change the way Malks were presented in game when Bloodlines 2 was announced, since even way back when, there were comments about how the first game made fun of mental illness.
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Post by talyn82 on Jun 1, 2022 22:56:45 GMT
Well Leysha does not have that wacky sort of speech the VTMB Malkavian protagonist had. She is mentally fragile and does have visions of the future. I mean did you ever play a Malkavian in VTMB, and if you did did you remember most npc's reactions when you first open your mouth? Well Leysha speaks coherently and makes sense. I gave her the Investigator profile and she knew some psychology, education, and deduction, she was also persuasive. Later on you can mess with npc's minds using Dominate which is pretty fun. It's like the Dementia discipline in VTMB. I found her far more interesting than the VTMB Malkavian fledgling. Also Brian Mitsoda has said that he wanted to make the Malkavians different in Bloodlines 2 than how they were in the first game.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 1, 2022 23:25:47 GMT
I have my suspicions about what leysha's Fractured Perspective/mental derangement is. But they haven't been confirmed yet and it would be a significant spoiler if they had.
Random aside, i love that i can pause during convos/cinematic scenes.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jun 1, 2022 23:41:20 GMT
Well Leysha does not have that wacky sort of speech the VTMB Malkavian protagonist had. She is mentally fragile and does have visions of the future. I mean did you ever play a Malkavian in VTMB, and if you did did you remember most npc's reactions when you first open your mouth? Well Leysha speaks coherently and makes sense. I gave her the Investigator profile and she knew some psychology, education, and deduction, she was also persuasive. Later on you can mess with npc's minds using Dominate which is pretty fun. It's like the Dementia discipline in VTMB. I found her far more interesting than the VTMB Malkavian fledgling. Also Brian Mitsoda has said that he wanted to make the Malkavians different in Bloodlines 2 than how they were in the first game. I did start a Malkavian run - at least once, might have been more but don't actually remember - but the only clan I've ever finished the game with is Toreador, but yeah, I remember. It might seem redundant to say, but 'it was crazy' trying parse out meaning from the displayed text. Ok - so it seems like - as expected - they handle the Malkavians with a bit more...sensitivity and nuance. That's good to hear.
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Post by talyn82 on Jun 2, 2022 0:30:45 GMT
Ok - so it seems like - as expected - they handle the Malkavians with a bit more...sensitivity and nuance. That's good to hear. Yeah she's pretty much lucid when she speaks. Reflecting on VTMB I remember that Jeanette/Therese and Dr. Grout did not speak like the Malkavian protagonist. I believe the reason why they were so out there is cause they kept having glimpses of the future. Like the Malkavian thin blood Rosa in Bloodlines, one moment she speaking to you fine the next she's prophesying the future. But as someone who has suffered from mental health issues my whole life I did not find the Malakavian Fledgling offensive. I just knew it was a game and that the writers took a few liberties. But I know that many hardcore VTM players don't like that protagonist.
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Post by talyn82 on Jun 2, 2022 0:33:45 GMT
Random aside, i love that i can pause during convos/cinematic scenes. This should be the standard for all story heavy games.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Jun 2, 2022 1:01:20 GMT
Ok - so it seems like - as expected - they handle the Malkavians with a bit more...sensitivity and nuance. That's good to hear. Yeah she's pretty much lucid when she speaks. Reflecting on VTMB I remember that Jeanette/Therese and Dr. Grout did not speak like the Malkavian protagonist. I believe the reason why they were so out there is cause they kept having glimpses of the future. Like the Malkavian thin blood Rosa in Bloodlines, one moment she speaking to you fine the next she's prophesying the future. But as someone who has suffered from mental health issues my whole life I did not find the Malakavian Fledgling offensive. I just knew it was a game and that the writers took a few liberties. But I know that many hardcore VTM players don't like that protagonist. I suppose it was perhaps also a bit about what is sometimes called "fishmalk", i.e. a character who's mostly pointlessly silly and overly funny. I'd say I disagree with the notion that I've seen on the page of a group tabletop gamers years ago that Malks need to be dangerous or creepy... axe murderers, as that's pretty cliché as well.
Hah, I never thought about Rosa as a Malk and thought of her ability as an individual thinblood quirk. I took Therese as basically creating the Jeanette persona to deal with her trauma. Not sure what Grout's issue was, though a victorian-style psychiatrist getting bitten by one of his "patients" and largely rejecting that there's anything supernatural about his existence... but yeah, as far as I remember, he got wind of LaCroix's shenanigans, so Neonate Prince Seb made a deal with Ming Xiao to get rid of him and frame Nines Rodriguez at the same time. I guess the thing with Malks ultimately is that they have less of a usual clan schtick as most others - unless "you never know whom you get" is a schtick in itself. Reminds me of VTM:R, an older WoD game which had an additional chronicle featuring a character who appeared as a plotty Ventrue at first glance (helped by re-using the model of a Ventrue character from the main story ), but turns out to be a Malkavian who probably has a case of obsessive-compulsive of some kind.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jun 2, 2022 1:08:27 GMT
Random aside, i love that i can pause during convos/cinematic scenes. This should be the standard for all story heavy games. 100%.
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Post by talyn82 on Jun 2, 2022 1:38:27 GMT
I suppose it was perhaps also a bit about what is sometimes called "fishmalk", i.e. a character who's mostly pointlessly silly and overly funny. I have heard the term "fishmalk" before but did not know what it meant until now. that Malks need to be dangerous or creepy... axe murderers, as that's pretty cliché as well. This is the mentality Brian Mitsoda had when he wrote Mr. Damp for Bloodlines 2. Mr. Damp was the vampire serial killer in the Bloodlines 2 trailers. He's a Malkavian.
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Post by talyn82 on Jun 2, 2022 1:46:28 GMT
featuring a character who appeared as a plotty Ventrue at first glance (helped by re-using the model of a Ventrue character from the main story ), but turns out to be a Malkavian who probably has a case of obsessive-compulsive of some kind. Well there are many forms of mental illness so I guess each individual Malkavian inherits a different kind of mental illness.
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Post by trinity0 on Jun 2, 2022 10:02:27 GMT
Well Leysha does not have that wacky sort of speech the VTMB Malkavian protagonist had. She is mentally fragile and does have visions of the future. I mean did you ever play a Malkavian in VTMB, and if you did did you remember most npc's reactions when you first open your mouth? Well Leysha speaks coherently and makes sense. I gave her the Investigator profile and she knew some psychology, education, and deduction, she was also persuasive. Later on you can mess with npc's minds using Dominate which is pretty fun. It's like the Dementia discipline in VTMB. I found her far more interesting than the VTMB Malkavian fledgling. Also Brian Mitsoda has said that he wanted to make the Malkavians different in Bloodlines 2 than how they were in the first game. I tried Dominate on the NPCs with Leysha and she really messed there mind up. It was fun and at the same time i feel kind of Sorry for them
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Post by talyn82 on Jun 2, 2022 17:50:42 GMT
Well Leysha does not have that wacky sort of speech the VTMB Malkavian protagonist had. She is mentally fragile and does have visions of the future. I mean did you ever play a Malkavian in VTMB, and if you did did you remember most npc's reactions when you first open your mouth? Well Leysha speaks coherently and makes sense. I gave her the Investigator profile and she knew some psychology, education, and deduction, she was also persuasive. Later on you can mess with npc's minds using Dominate which is pretty fun. It's like the Dementia discipline in VTMB. I found her far more interesting than the VTMB Malkavian fledgling. Also Brian Mitsoda has said that he wanted to make the Malkavians different in Bloodlines 2 than how they were in the first game. I tried Dominate on the NPCs with Leysha and she really messed there mind up. It was fun and at the same time i feel kind of Sorry for them Lol, I am the same way. Later on in the game Galeb meets an npc and we have a choice to kill them or spare them, and I chose to kill them as not to leave any witnesses I quickly felt bad after he killed them. This is why I never completed the game Vampyr I felt bad for the patients at the hospital.
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Post by trinity0 on Jun 2, 2022 19:15:17 GMT
I do have a question about the Council. I always thougt that there is only one Representative from every clan in the council.
But in the Game Hazel offers Emem a place in the council next to Hilda. With Emem and Hilda there would be two Toreadors in the Council.
So is it possible that more then one Representative of a Clan is a member of the council?
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Post by talyn82 on Jun 2, 2022 20:26:04 GMT
I do have a question about the Council. I always thougt that there is only one Representative from every clan in the council. But in the Game Hazel offers Emem a place in the council next to Hilda. With Emem and Hilda there would be two Toreadors in the Council. So is it possible that more then one Representative of a Clan is a member of the council? No, I forgot exactly what Hilda tells Emem, but basically there can only be one. Remember in Bloodlines there was only one Primogen from each clan? Because Hilda knows Hazel does not like her, and Emem would be forever grateful and do whatever Hazel wants her to do. I assume at first they would hold joint seats but little by little Hazel would remove Hilda completely. When I that part came up in the game Emem told Hilda she did not want to join the Primogen.
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Post by saandrig on Jun 3, 2022 6:34:34 GMT
This is why I never completed the game Vampyr I felt bad for the patients at the hospital. Dear, I so hope you didn't go on a killing spree on them!
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Post by talyn82 on Jun 3, 2022 14:39:55 GMT
This is why I never completed the game Vampyr I felt bad for the patients at the hospital. Dear, I so hope you didn't go on a killing spree on them! No, i only drained one patient and I remember he was the blind World War I veteran. I felt so bad that I said this game is not for me. That's what I like about the Vampire the Masquerade setting, vamps don't have to drain their victims.
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