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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 8, 2019 19:06:34 GMT
Since I'm probably not going to do all that, what's different? Does it open up a non-Javik slot with interesting dialogue?
Every single squadmate start to questioning Liara, stating what they are seeing is not much 'asari', but another race. With From Ashes installed they simply say the artifacts look "protean".
Her replies on the other hand are much more disconcerning.
And after activating the beacon, Shepard reaction is much more crude when accusing the asari to hold technology that could've helped the war.
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Post by brfritos on Apr 9, 2019 20:37:32 GMT
And after activating the beacon, Shepard reaction is much more crude when accusing the asari to hold technology that could've helped the war.
As it should be. It's a complaint I've had, never mind that it's illegal to withhold Prothean tech.
On the other hand, can you blame them? I mean, take Victus for example, he ask you this same type of question: "Our friendship is new Cmdr. Do you trust me with information that could put your people and Earth in danger"?
And if you try to be a smart ass and make a renegade move, he answears that will cost you the turian fleet.
I don't blame the asari for hiding Prothean technology, every government has their secrets. The problem is they simply refuse to help in the war until their backs are against the wall.
They don't even need Shepard to activate the beacon, send a Matriarch, collect the information and present this to the Alliance. They were very stupid dealing with the issue, but then humans are no better: tons of information about the protheans, reapers and their technology on the Mars's archive and we did what with it?
More durable eezo cores like granite? 
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 9, 2019 21:20:59 GMT
On the other hand, can you blame them? I mean, take Victus for example, he ask you this same type of question: "Our friendship is new Cmdr. Do you trust me with information that could put your people and Earth in danger"? It was a secret for the entire galaxy. Even most asari. Not quite the same. Think about the beacon in Eden Prime. The Alliance could have just kept it and used it to push themselves ahead. They didn't because...it's illegal to withhold it. Now, we know the Alliance will do some sketchy things - AI around time of the first novel, rogue VI - you'll never convince me it wasn't AI research no matter what Hackett says, Cerberus - if we go by ME1, at least some part of them was an Alliance black ops group. I don't blame the asari for hiding Prothean technology, every government has their secrets. The problem is they simply refuse to help in the war until their backs are against the wall. Yep. Even the damn krogan were willing, though they had a price that you could understand they wanted. The krogan would have, IMO, fought regardless. They just wouldn't have fought for Palaven or Earth. The asari were stupid, ESPECIALLY the asari Councilor who refused to participate because the dalatrass was upset - even though the dalatrass attended. That's some trippy logic there.
They don't even need Shepard to activate the beacon, send a Matriarch, collect the information and present this to the Alliance. They were very stupid dealing with the issue, but then humans are no better: tons of information about the protheans, reapers and their technology on the Mars's archive and we did what with it? To be fair, the Alliance never really explored what was there. TIM said as much, saying he was raiding it because humanity had never bothered to find out what was there. In the case it wasn't that the Alliance was denying the information so much as that they never knew what was there. Imagine the leap forward humanity would have made had the delved into it. TIM was right in that area. |
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Post by brfritos on Apr 9, 2019 23:04:27 GMT
On the other hand, can you blame them? I mean, take Victus for example, he ask you this same type of question: "Our friendship is new Cmdr. Do you trust me with information that could put your people and Earth in danger"? It was a secret for the entire galaxy. Even most asari. Not quite the same. Think about the beacon in Eden Prime. The Alliance could have just kept it and used it to push themselves ahead. They didn't because...it's illegal to withhold it. Actually that's not the entire reason. If Shepard asks why humanity don't keep the beacon to themselves, Anderson replies the Alliance don't have the expertise to decode the beacon and want to improve the relations with other species. So it's not entirelly about following galatic law. They don't even need Shepard to activate the beacon, send a Matriarch, collect the information and present this to the Alliance. They were very stupid dealing with the issue, but then humans are no better: tons of information about the protheans, reapers and their technology on the Mars's archive and we did what with it? To be fair, the Alliance never really explored what was there. TIM said as much, saying he was raiding it because humanity had never bothered to find out what was there. In the case it wasn't that the Alliance was denying the information so much as that they never knew what was there. Imagine the leap forward humanity would have made had the delved into it. TIM was right in that area.
It's actually extremely contradictory humanity not reserching the archives to the full extent. TIM is very right when he complains about how we squandered that information. We gather our technology for traveling between the stars where? The location of the Charon relay? The mass effect tech that permates every civilization in the galaxy? And we didn't study it? For what purpose we are not studing it and holding that information?
When you first encounter Dr Eva, she's erasing the archives and copying the information. Who knows what's in there apart the plans for the Crucible? Insight into the Reapers? Strategies? Information about other beacons between the other races, including the asari's one (which there's, for that matter)? The Alliance was extremely incompetent dealing with the beacon on Mars. My point is, I don't blame the asari for holding their beacon and hiding it from the galaxy. I really doubt if the position was inverted humanity would not do the same.
The complain is why they didn't joined the war since the beginning? Like I said before, they didn't needed Shepard to read the information, an asari could do it and pass what they've found. There's no danger from someone finding thier beacon, specially because the location is known to us... if we had studied the beacon on Mars. Which we didn't! 
Maybe is not only the asari the stupid ones, hun? 
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Post by burningcherry on Apr 11, 2019 19:49:58 GMT
Please make sure that you've read this before discussing Mars. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 11, 2019 22:03:02 GMT
Please make sure that you've read this before discussing Mars. You want to make me read a Liara-centric comic?
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Post by Phantom on Apr 11, 2019 23:08:58 GMT
Please make sure that you've read this before discussing Mars. You want to make me read a Liara-centric comic? There is a form of torture not even Cerberus would use on people.
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Post by burningcherry on Apr 12, 2019 21:12:04 GMT
Please make sure that you've read this before discussing Mars. You want to make me read a Liara-centric comic? I can extract the most important parts if that's a problem. In short: there was a lot of negligence from many sides and humans were some of the most responsible ones actually.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2019 4:57:15 GMT
I can extract the most important parts if that's a problem. In short: there was a lot of negligence from many sides and humans were some of the most responsible ones actually. I never argued that humans were stupid for not studying the Mars Archives more deeply. However, on Thessia Liara was told nothing there would be useful, which was a lie. Vendetta knew exactly what they needed to know. As for the hanar, do we honestly think a race who can have all of its defenses removed with a single virus can credibly keep anyone out? Send in the STG. Bribe one of the drell for access. I guess what I'm saying is that when an extinction level event on a galactic scale is coming then anyone who purposely stands in the way of Prothean knowledge should be looked on with suspicion and distrust. |
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Post by brfritos on Apr 13, 2019 15:11:25 GMT
Please make sure that you've read this before discussing Mars.
I've read all the ME comics, the Illusive Man arc is specially bad.
There are some good ones though, the mini-story about how Joker was chosen as pilot of the Normandy is a good one, only ruined by the ending. The mission detailing Jacob and Miranda is very good, as the ones telling the origin of Maya Brooks.
I can extract the most important parts if that's a problem. In short: there was a lot of negligence from many sides and humans were some of the most responsible ones actually. I never argued that humans were stupid for not studying the Mars Archives more deeply. However, on Thessia Liara was told nothing there would be useful, which was a lie. Vendetta knew exactly what they needed to know. As for the hanar, do we honestly think a race who can have all of its defenses removed with a single virus can credibly keep anyone out? Send in the STG. Bribe one of the drell for access. I guess what I'm saying is that when an extinction level event on a galactic scale is coming then anyone who purposely stands in the way of Prothean knowledge should be looked on with suspicion and distrust.
The problem acessing Vendetta is the game never explains in detail. The asari have accessed the prothan VI before or not? If they have, why they didn't told us? On the other hand, only with Shepard or Javik we are able to access Vendetta. The asari counselor only tell us that is an old "artifact" on Thessia. Maybe they don't know how to access the information?
On Mars there are some datapads telling what the protheans are studying: us. The game states the Mars archive are restricted for anyone except the Alliance and all the information dissemination is forbidden until is approved. On Elethania there are evidence the protheans were actually studying us and by what Javik says, they probably 'toyed' with our own evolution.
This means that on Earth the story of how humans evolved is still being teached "the old way", omitting the fact that maybe the protheans were involved in our evolution. Let's be clear about this, maybe.
But I'm derrailing.
The story didn't provided many details, but our own researchers are having trouble decoding the prothean language. Maybe the asari knows there are some information there, but were unable to access it.
But asking for help in decoding that information will expose that the knowledge the protheans left there gave them a superiority over another races.
And let's not forget: the asari ARE the chosen ones, even Javik tell you this when Liara is confronting him. "You were the best hope for this cycle, so you were... guided, when necessary".
Also, what the heck are we to protheans? Toys? 
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Post by themikefest on Apr 13, 2019 16:33:42 GMT
And let's not forget: the asari ARE the chosen ones, even Javik tell you this when Liara is confronting him."You were the best hope for this cycle, so you were... guided, when necessary". On Thessia he will say "Your species was deemed to have potential. A pity you didn't live up to it."
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Post by melbella on Apr 13, 2019 18:35:32 GMT
Also, what the heck are we to protheans? Toys? Seems to be the way the salarians view 'lesser' species like krogan, varren, and yahg.
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