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Post by Psychevore on Sept 18, 2023 6:17:40 GMT
Oh....Shadowheart...  Finished her quest line last night. Her VA is really top quality. With the way things had been going, I'd managed to convince myself that there was a happy ending waiting for her. Not so, obviously.
The name of the High Priestess of Shar triggered something for me. Viconia is in one of the earlier BG games, right? Or is the name just a coincidence? It is the Viconia from BG1/BG2, yes. AND SHE ISN'T RECRUITABLE?!?!?! *grabs torches and pitchforks, plots route to Larian studios*
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Sept 18, 2023 11:01:26 GMT
It is the Viconia from BG1/BG2, yes. AND SHE ISN'T RECRUITABLE?!?!?! *grabs torches and pitchforks, plots route to Larian studios* I mean, she is! Not as a companion but ... ... if you hand Shadowheart over to her you can recruit her and her temple as allies for the endgame.
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Post by Psychevore on Sept 18, 2023 16:23:21 GMT
AND SHE ISN'T RECRUITABLE?!?!?! *grabs torches and pitchforks, plots route to Larian studios* I mean, she is! Not as a companion but ... ... if you hand Shadowheart over to her you can recruit her and her temple as allies for the endgame.
Well, I looked her up and even though she looks absolutely breathtaking, as usual, I am going to have to murder her for that mace she's holding.
Sets strength to 18. Beautiful. Nice shield too.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 18, 2023 16:26:46 GMT
I mean, she is! Not as a companion but ... ... if you hand Shadowheart over to her you can recruit her and her temple as allies for the endgame. Well, I looked her up and even though she looks absolutely breathtaking, as usual, I am going to have to murder her for that mace she's holding.
Sets strength to 18. Beautiful. Nice shield too. It's the best shield in the game.
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Post by fylimar on Sept 18, 2023 16:39:31 GMT
I'm finished with the game. I really loved the whole experience. I loved my little halfling lore bard - she convinced everyone of anything she wants  .
Some spoilers:
- Shadowlands - really cool and creepy map. Loved the old village with the House of Healing and the other stuff.
- I loved Raphael singing his own themesong during the fight.
- Jaheira - how cool is she? I loved her in the first two games and was glad, that Larian managed to make her in character. I wish, there would have been more interaction with her family though.
- Halsin was awful - I think, he really was made as a meme character. He was constantly hitting on my character or Shadowheart, my girlfriend in that playthrough.
- Lae'zel surprised me so much. She is such a great character.
- I was creeped out and intrigued by teh Orin/Bhaal cult story part - that one kept me on my toes.
- generally the three chosen ones should have been introduced sooner - I mean, Ketheric was introduced in act 1, so that was ok, but Orin and Gortash only entered the picture at the end of act 2. Orin managed to still have some memorable moments, but Gortash was really not that interesting.
- I loved the prison break underwater. Didn't like that the Umberlee priestesses attack you afterwards - I wish you could have explained, what happened, but there was not really an option other than 'It isn't what it looks like'.
- I liked Astarions character development - and I never liked him in EA. I convinced him not to ascend and he helped his brethren finding shelter in the Underdark. They did him dirty with his end though. I wished, the companions or I as the pc could have sheltered him unti lhe found shadow .
- I'm glad, tehy rewrote Wylls story, still he seems to have less content than the others and despite him being actually the dukes son, no one in BG reacts to him. I dragged him through every street, talked to everyone in the hopes to get a reaction. It was still nice, that we could save his father, even if it is only for a short time, since Mizora seems hellbent (no pun) on killing the old man. Speaking of Mizora - she overstayed her welcome in my camp, when she sent those spiders after me (it happened to be my character, saving Wylls dad - I didn't look up a guide and sent a character in every direction. It worked, but my girl was faced with Mizoras spiders - nothing, a well placed fireball can't handle). I wish, we coulc have sent her away, maybe reminding her what happened with Raphael.
- I liked the endgame generally, but I didn't like that we had to name someone to become a mindflayer. And I freed Orpheus, I thought he would be the mindflayer-free solution. Karlach volunteered and I thought, that this would be the only option to keep her alive. I later found out, that she would have gone with Wyll to Avernus, if she hadn't becoem a mindflayer, but oh, well. I thought, I saved her life. But tbh, she is teh most cheerful mindflayer, that ever existed - and she seemed truly happy.
- I loved, that I could convince Lae'zel to choose freedom over staying in teh strict gith society - and Orpheus was totally ok with that and wished her a good life.
- I would have loved a more fleshed out end scene - with all companions and npcs, so that you can talk to them again - like with the tiefling party.
- And of course we all know, that it is truly the story of a cute dog and his best friend owly and we are just npcs
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Post by witchcocktor on Sept 18, 2023 18:02:09 GMT
Genuinely starting to hate Karlach. If you recruit her, the game really forces you to suddenly care about her IMMEDIATELY, and she is the only character who is handled with goddamn kids gloves. You can be an atrocious ass to every companion throughout the entire game, but her dialogue options are always really tame in comparison. There is no way to be truly neutral with her, and you are put into this position to care about how her story ends. Shit, it's complete bollocks that she gets a whole cutscene at the end while other companions only get something if you romance them, if that. This reeks of favoritism and being a writers pet. I detest that, especially when some companions feel kind of unfinished. Hopefully the patch this week fixes some other characters as well, but doubtful. Also, do not like her coming onto me. She always does it. At least she takes it fine when you reject her. Though sometimes the game sneak romances Karlach and I suddenly get a dialogue option to turn her down even if I have never shown any interest in her. I also really didn't like her emotional outburst after killing Gortash, especially when many of my companions have pissed off gods so death can be imminent, or have suffered hundreds of years of torment like Astarion. I understand what they were going for, and I am fine with her having her moment, but it's still annoyed me, mostly because the dialogue options again were pretty tame. You can thankfully tell her to suck it up I suppose, but then you are railroaded into giving a damn about what happens to her in the end.
But thankfully, I have found the perfect route for Karlach: making her a mindflayer, and I'm going to keep doing that every singe run from here on out.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Sept 18, 2023 20:53:15 GMT
While I rather like Karlach, I do get your feelings on writer's pets and agree with some of the things you mentioned. However Karlach probably lacked the most content quest and ending wise on release if you exclude the two non origin companions. She only got that extra scene at the end because people complained, so they added it in the most recent patch. Wyll also suffers from a lack of content imo, probably due to his late rewrite. I do have a good feeling that Larian will add more for the other companions/endings/epilogues etc. at a later date from things they've said recently and because they seem to like doing definitive editions. We've also already seen the voice actors suspiciously teasing about being back together on vid. I could be wrong but as of right now I'm betting the question is probably not if but when they do this.....Well hopefully.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 18, 2023 21:52:55 GMT
I finished Astarion's questline. And it was everything I had hoped for. NOTHING like the train wreck that was (romancing) Fenris. What a relief! I didn't expect to hate Fenris' bitter ass even more all those years later, lol. (Sorry all Fenris fans, I mean no disrespect, but we'll never be friends, lol.) I'm not even mad anymore that I couldn't romance him, although I wonder how your influence over him shapes the romance. I think I like it even better this way. Helping him without wanting anything in return. Feels good. So yeah, I managed to blast Cazador off the platform with Eldritch Blast. Only had to reload once to get the angle right. After that my druid set most of the monsters on fire, Laezel too. Couldn't be helped. She slayed a bunch before the fire killed her. So totally worth it! Astarion then got loose on his own and helped kill... bats. Lol.
Then I spent embarrassing 10min looking for Cazador's coffin in the mansion. Had to look it up up online. It was right on the friggin platform, LOL. I didn't see it! So he somehow teleported into his coffin after falling while everyone was still there? OK then, that's bizarre but whatever.
Seeing Astarion cry after stabbing him to death was quite touching and felt real. Excellent character arc. I'm really impressed with the writing in this game. This might be one of my favorite companion arcs ever now. The stellar voice acting combined with the animations, just amazing. And I'm not just saying this because I'm thirsty for this pretty boy sad puppy. Kinda makes you feel bad even for wanting to get into his pants after you learn how his life's been.
Then I convinced him to not become the next Cazador and he thanked me for it. In fact, back at camp he showered my girl with gratitude for believing in him. Very sweet. I almost teared up. Seeing him become the person I wanted him to be after all. Very satisfying. Shadowheart and him are two sides of the same coin of abuse to me. Two very different but equally believable ways of coping with it.
If you play evil and make them worse, you basically keep abusing them. And if you romance them will they even realize it? I'm not sure I can go through with corrupting those two further but if I replay as an evil monster I might do it and then hate that character as much as I hated psycho renegade Shepard who shot Mordin in the back...
How did you guys deal with the 7000 angry spawn? I set then all free and got shit from everyone for it, understandably. My druid is just the kind of well meaning idiot who'd do something so dangerous out of misguided kindness. Realistically this should be a very bad move and get a lot of people killed. The ones you can talk to even say they probably can't control their hunger. The kids might eat their parents. But since this is a game maybe it'll be fine. We'll see. Astarion at this point agreed with everything I said so he too thinks they deserve a chance. It's settled then! What did my heroic freeing of Astarion get me, you wonder? Well, I rose in his esteem from neutral to glorious MEDIUM! Seriously, this has to be bugged. This does not match his opinion AT ALL. I'm basically the greatest person in his life now. As I should be after what I've done for him. Completely broken ridiculous. Shadowheart basically worships the ground I walk on now. THAT makes sense. If you give Astarion what he thinks he wants, does THAT give you super high approval? That would be funny... I lOVED Karlach's reaction to completing Astarion's mission. Basically everyone reacts the same. And it's so heart warning. Btw I don't see Karlach as a writers pet at all. That's Shadowheart and Astarion imo. They get all the juicy tragic story. Helping Karlach was a quick thing. Now I'm waiting for a bad ending there. In between there's nothing more. She does get good reactions to certain people. Like her enthusiasm for Misnc. Adorable. Sorry I just love the woman. Such a positive attitude. Also, I resolved the Nine Fingers buisness. That conversation between her and Jaheira and Minsc was hilarious! Gosh, I love this game to bits. Starfield will be such a disappoinment after this masterpiece. My hype is totally deflated. BG3 will be the game all other RPGs will have to compare to and none will for years, I feel. Same as with Witcher 3 at the time. I'm so in love with the game and the characters. Gah!
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Sept 18, 2023 22:54:05 GMT
The ending arcs of Astarion, Shadowheart and Lae'Zel are exactly why I love them most, you see the biggest improvement, it may take a while but it's worth it imo. It's also some of the best acting I've seen in a long time. I agree about Karlach, she got shafted the most when it comes to her main quest, basically fetch stuff for the blacksmith annnnd that's it, even with the added end scene, her quest will still suffer. When it comes to the spawn, I killed them because I was playing a good but also somewhat pragmatic character, but there's really no warm fuzzy decision there. You either have to worry about 7000 feral vampires on the loose that don't have any guidance, or you kill 7000 innocent victims. I intend to do a more chaotic goody? play-through releasing them, because I think they deserve a chance to find a cure or live a somewhat decent life like Astarion.
I also think Astarion was kind of done dirty with a particular scene at the end, but I'm unsure if you got there, so I won't spoil anything. Also one of the best lines you can say to him imo (he takes it in such a lovely way) is sadly only a breakup line, that I wish any character could say, regardless of romancing or not.
I intend a more evil play-through as well but the one evil guy I started, I ended up deleting because I wasn't enjoying it. It feels really shitty to kill the grove, so I might have to bypass them altogether. I'm unsure but I think read somewhere that approval only goes up about one point at a time with the companions? which feels kind of weird when it seems like they love you due to the story but approval shows medium. idk It also kind of took me a while to find out where Cazedor ended up too, I did not expect him to appear back in his coffin either, but I never claimed to be playing a smart character.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 19, 2023 2:12:05 GMT
I'm still enjoying my measured march through Act 1. I've exhausted all content in the Underdark, and saved in preparation for the Mountain Pass. I really enjoy how so many quests lead back to the main path. Some might find it overly convenient, but it makes for good gaming. I've not done a single quest that felt superfluous or a waste of time. I've also chosen to "nope" on the occasional quest, knowing I'll play this game dozens of times. I probably robbed myself of some additional questing, combat, XP, and fun by chucking a certain amulet into lava, today. I watched it melt like the One Ring. It just felt like a risky liability. May the poor soul make its way to the Morninglord. I'm a 5e optimizer, so of course I've optimized the full party. Even with all of Larian's buffs, melee is still a needless venture, in my opinion. Lae'zel was respec'd to Archery as soon as I had the ability to do so. Thinking that her class might be tied up in her story, I left Karlach alone through level 5. She was a liability, getting beat to hell whenever I used her. That's what happens when you stand in melee and take hits. I respec'd her to Paladin, today, one fight before level 6. (Great timing!) Man, what an improvement. My truest loves in D&D are Wizards, Sorcerers, and Paladins. It's great to finally have all those bases covered. She was awesome for the string of battles in which she shared, and I look forward to involving her more. Wyll is the Sorcerer in our party. He had been Draconic-Infernal Sorlock; but I just respec'd him for Storm Sorcery (Sor4/War2). I had a ton of the lightning-themed gear sitting unused, and found that a lot of it fit him better than the rest of the party. That naturally led to the retraining. He won't fully come online until level 7, and will get his slew of bonus spells at 8. Still, I look forward to trying to exploit his lightning loadout and slightly reworked spell list. I'm pleased that I stuck to my preference and played a Wizard on my first playthrough. I'm playing on Balanced (should've done Tactician), so I've been able to use Friends on nearly every social check I've made. That's as good as having a great Charisma modifier. So, conversations are covered and I have a spellbook bursting with useful spells. It feels a bit like cheating. I'm trying not to think about what I'll play next, with so far left to go. Paladin, Sorcerer, and GOOlock are all calling to me.
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Post by Psychevore on Sept 19, 2023 5:39:14 GMT
Genuinely starting to hate Karlach. If you recruit her, the game really forces you to suddenly care about her IMMEDIATELY, and she is the only character who is handled with goddamn kids gloves. You can be an atrocious ass to every companion throughout the entire game, but her dialogue options are always really tame in comparison. There is no way to be truly neutral with her, and you are put into this position to care about how her story ends. Shit, it's complete bollocks that she gets a whole cutscene at the end while other companions only get something if you romance them, if that. This reeks of favoritism and being a writers pet. I detest that, especially when some companions feel kind of unfinished. Hopefully the patch this week fixes some other characters as well, but doubtful. Also, do not like her coming onto me. She always does it. At least she takes it fine when you reject her. Though sometimes the game sneak romances Karlach and I suddenly get a dialogue option to turn her down even if I have never shown any interest in her. I also really didn't like her emotional outburst after killing Gortash, especially when many of my companions have pissed off gods so death can be imminent, or have suffered hundreds of years of torment like Astarion. I understand what they were going for, and I am fine with her having her moment, but it's still annoyed me, mostly because the dialogue options again were pretty tame. You can thankfully tell her to suck it up I suppose, but then you are railroaded into giving a damn about what happens to her in the end.
But thankfully, I have found the perfect route for Karlach: making her a mindflayer, and I'm going to keep doing that every singe run from here on out.
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Post by witchcocktor on Sept 19, 2023 6:01:56 GMT
I finished Astarion's questline. And it was everything I had hoped for. NOTHING like the train wreck that was (romancing) Fenris. What a relief! I didn't expect to hate Fenris' bitter ass even more all those years later, lol. (Sorry all Fenris fans, I mean no disrespect, but we'll never be friends, lol.) I'm not even mad anymore that I couldn't romance him, although I wonder how your influence over him shapes the romance. I think I like it even better this way. Helping him without wanting anything in return. Feels good. So yeah, I managed to blast Cazador off the platform with Eldritch Blast. Only had to reload once to get the angle right. After that my druid set most of the monsters on fire, Laezel too. Couldn't be helped. She slayed a bunch before the fire killed her. So totally worth it! Astarion then got loose on his own and helped kill... bats. Lol.
Then I spent embarrassing 10min looking for Cazador's coffin in the mansion. Had to look it up up online. It was right on the friggin platform, LOL. I didn't see it! So he somehow teleported into his coffin after falling while everyone was still there? OK then, that's bizarre but whatever.
Seeing Astarion cry after stabbing him to death was quite touching and felt real. Excellent character arc. I'm really impressed with the writing in this game. This might be one of my favorite companion arcs ever now. The stellar voice acting combined with the animations, just amazing. And I'm not just saying this because I'm thirsty for this pretty boy sad puppy. Kinda makes you feel bad even for wanting to get into his pants after you learn how his life's been.
Then I convinced him to not become the next Cazador and he thanked me for it. In fact, back at camp he showered my girl with gratitude for believing in him. Very sweet. I almost teared up. Seeing him become the person I wanted him to be after all. Very satisfying. Shadowheart and him are two sides of the same coin of abuse to me. Two very different but equally believable ways of coping with it.
If you play evil and make them worse, you basically keep abusing them. And if you romance them will they even realize it? I'm not sure I can go through with corrupting those two further but if I replay as an evil monster I might do it and then hate that character as much as I hated psycho renegade Shepard who shot Mordin in the back...
How did you guys deal with the 7000 angry spawn? I set then all free and got shit from everyone for it, understandably. My druid is just the kind of well meaning idiot who'd do something so dangerous out of misguided kindness. Realistically this should be a very bad move and get a lot of people killed. The ones you can talk to even say they probably can't control their hunger. The kids might eat their parents. But since this is a game maybe it'll be fine. We'll see. Astarion at this point agreed with everything I said so he too thinks they deserve a chance. It's settled then! What did my heroic freeing of Astarion get me, you wonder? Well, I rose in his esteem from neutral to glorious MEDIUM! Seriously, this has to be bugged. This does not match his opinion AT ALL. I'm basically the greatest person in his life now. As I should be after what I've done for him. Completely broken ridiculous. Shadowheart basically worships the ground I walk on now. THAT makes sense. If you give Astarion what he thinks he wants, does THAT give you super high approval? That would be funny... I lOVED Karlach's reaction to completing Astarion's mission. Basically everyone reacts the same. And it's so heart warning. Btw I don't see Karlach as a writers pet at all. That's Shadowheart and Astarion imo. They get all the juicy tragic story. Helping Karlach was a quick thing. Now I'm waiting for a bad ending there. In between there's nothing more. She does get good reactions to certain people. Like her enthusiasm for Misnc. Adorable. Sorry I just love the woman. Such a positive attitude. Also, I resolved the Nine Fingers buisness. That conversation between her and Jaheira and Minsc was hilarious! Gosh, I love this game to bits. Starfield will be such a disappoinment after this masterpiece. My hype is totally deflated. BG3 will be the game all other RPGs will have to compare to and none will for years, I feel. Same as with Witcher 3 at the time. I'm so in love with the game and the characters. Gah! Why I think Karlach is a writer's pet is because there is very little choice on how to approach her. You are basically ride or die Karlach simp the minute she hits the camp, and there is very little room to be a complete dick to her directly. This is completely different from other companions. This kind of '' push '' whether intentional or not, makes me like a character less. The game should allow me to make the decision to care or not care about the characters. You can decide to turn on Astarion and help the Gur if he ascends. And during the ascended Astarion romance conclusion, you can kick him in the balls where he leaves the camp and you for good. And you can just... continuously tell off Astarion regarding his visions of grandeur of gaining power and how he is going to abuse it for his (and yours) own good. There's also a dialogue option when you meet the Gur in Baldur's Gate where you can basically say '' if you want to burn Astarion at the stake, be my guest lol. ''
Shadowheart you can be really distrustful of, and make her completely uncomfortable by asking too many questions. You can just really disregard her faith and tell her off about it. YOu can intrude on her prayers and not let her do the trials in the Gauntlet of Shar, which she really disapproves of. During the Nightsong scene, she can turn on you if you don't let her do what she wants. And her finale quest, after everything you have done to redeem her, you can be a horrid person and just let the cult take her away.
Gale and Wyll are kind of so-so as well, but you have a lot of disapproving, dickish and dismissive dialogue options with them. Lae'zel you can just fuck up in multiple ways and she is always ready to stand against you. Oh, and you can just let Shadowheart kill her lol.
Compared to all these companions, Karlach just sticks out like a sore thumb to me. I do agree with the Astarion remarks about how the non-romance path actually works better than the romance one. But that's more so the issue with '' I can fix him '' type of relationships: you spend all the time just trying to help your loved one, and in return you get... a person who opens up about their feelings and is loyal to you. So a normal relationship, really, but often that relationship is still marred with '' how are we going to continue fixing this person '' instead of it feeling like a truly equal relationship. I think that the romance path is too much fixing him, and too little seeing the change in action. Friendzoning Astarion is actually very nice. He basically says that he has had a parade of lovers, but can't think of any friends, until you. Honestly, he is very Dorian-like to me, a guy who is obviously not ready for a relationship, and is much better as a friend. 
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Post by fylimar on Sept 19, 2023 11:13:39 GMT
I started my second playthrough with my Durge Suri Mena. She is a Seldarine Drow - and yes, I know how edgelordy it is, drow and Durge, but she is actually really sweet and nice. She is the first drow I made, that left the nautiloid, because I'm tbh a bit tired of all the drows you see in pics of other players. I prefer halflings, gnomes, my favorite female half elf face 1 and tieflings and have a githyanki wizard in the pipeline too. But I thought, I'd go out of my comfort zone and see, if drows really have so many different reactions - and yeah, they have. At least for now. Suri did get all the companions, but Karlach (getting her next), helped a lot of kids in the grove, chatted with different people, found out about a kind of conspiracy involving someone in the grove and is now out in the wild, finding a cure. I'm really invested in the Durge because of the connection to the other two games and because, the Durge sound like a Lovecraft protagonist stranded in Faerun tbh. Strangely enough, Durge seems to be a good fit for an Astarion romance, especially resisting Durge. I think about going down that route with her. I'm not the biggest Astarion fan, but it somehow seems fitting.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 19, 2023 11:29:25 GMT
Genuinely starting to hate Karlach. If you recruit her, the game really forces you to suddenly care about her IMMEDIATELY, and she is the only character who is handled with goddamn kids gloves. You can be an atrocious ass to every companion throughout the entire game, but her dialogue options are always really tame in comparison. There is no way to be truly neutral with her, and you are put into this position to care about how her story ends. Shit, it's complete bollocks that she gets a whole cutscene at the end while other companions only get something if you romance them, if that. This reeks of favoritism and being a writers pet. I detest that, especially when some companions feel kind of unfinished. Hopefully the patch this week fixes some other characters as well, but doubtful. Also, do not like her coming onto me. She always does it. At least she takes it fine when you reject her. Though sometimes the game sneak romances Karlach and I suddenly get a dialogue option to turn her down even if I have never shown any interest in her. I also really didn't like her emotional outburst after killing Gortash, especially when many of my companions have pissed off gods so death can be imminent, or have suffered hundreds of years of torment like Astarion. I understand what they were going for, and I am fine with her having her moment, but it's still annoyed me, mostly because the dialogue options again were pretty tame. You can thankfully tell her to suck it up I suppose, but then you are railroaded into giving a damn about what happens to her in the end.
But thankfully, I have found the perfect route for Karlach: making her a mindflayer, and I'm going to keep doing that every singe run from here on out.
For you, my man: That's how you deal with that  I did that on my second PT.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 19, 2023 15:34:24 GMT
I also think Astarion was kind of done dirty with a particular scene at the end, but I'm unsure if you got there, so I won't spoil anything. Also one of the best lines you can say to him imo (he takes it in such a lovely way) is sadly only a breakup line, that I wish any character could say, regardless of romancing or not.
Do you mean at the end of his arc or the entire game? I'm nowhere near almost finished with the game. Still have Gortash and Orin to kill, free Orpheus, free Wyll's dad...
That breakup lines has made me curious. I might have to look for a YT video because I'm unlikely to ever see it. "Breaking up" with Gale before the sex scene was super awkward. He did not take it well. Got over it fine though. Later he refers to my girl as his ex lover. Dude, you guys were never lovers! Not even a couple. No kiss, nothing! Jeez... LOL. He's really the Anders of BG3.
Another note about the ritual, as I was playing I kept wondering if the player character could do the ritual and sacrifice Astarion. I assume not because he got loose at some point after shoving Cazador off the platform. I don't even understand how he got loose, tbh. Kept expecting there to be a choice to free Astarion or not. That would have been suuuper evil. Interesting twist, so that's a shame. Unless there is a way I don't know about? I guess you have to be a vampire in the first place...
So you don't know what happens when you free all the spawn. Exciting, terrifying, lol! I have a very bad feeling about it, haha.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 19, 2023 15:55:21 GMT
I started my second playthrough with my Durge Suri Mena.  Dark Jaheira, I dig it! There's too many potential PTs I'd have to do, gosh... Durge sounds interesting and I agree that one who tries to resist it is most interesting and I can see this being intriguing and ripe with inner conflict for both with an Astarion romance. And I REALLY want to romance Astarion, dammit. But I'd rather play evil next and do completely different things. Which would be recruiting Minthara and maybe romancing her. Two PTd is usually the max I ever do, if at all. No matter how much I love a game. I always prefer new shiny games and new stories. It's... unfortunate. What I would love to do: 1. Play REALLY evil and corrupt and use and abuse all my companions, use the tadpole, become a monster. Get rid of all the characters who are too nice, like have Karlach killed outright. 2. Romance Astarion as a good person 3. Romance Karlach as a good person 4. Romance Astarion as a bad person and foster his dark side and be condescending scumbags together. 5. Romance Shadowheart as a good person 6. Push Shadowheart to the dark side and romance her with an evil character. Technically I'd like to romance all characters but the only games I ever did that were ME1+2. Not even ME3. Always meant to carry all romances through. Never happened. I guess this is what YT is for. Never got round to romancing my fav characters in DAI either (Cass and Dorian). Only 1 PT and a quickly aborted second one. Game was just too drawn out and I feel like BG3 is about as big. (Had 140h in DAI). So this is an issue with ANY big (open world) game for me. Takes too long. With BG3 at least it feels there's a lot of diverging content that would warrant at least one more PT without feeling tedious. Hmm.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Sept 19, 2023 20:44:07 GMT
I also think Astarion was kind of done dirty with a particular scene at the end, but I'm unsure if you got there, so I won't spoil anything. Also one of the best lines you can say to him imo (he takes it in such a lovely way) is sadly only a breakup line, that I wish any character could say, regardless of romancing or not.
Do you mean at the end of his arc or the entire game? I'm nowhere near almost finished with the game. Still have Gortash and Orin to kill, free Orpheus, free Wyll's dad...
That breakup lines has made me curious. I might have to look for a YT video because I'm unlikely to ever see it. "Breaking up" with Gale before the sex scene was super awkward. He did not take it well. Got over it fine though. Later he refers to my girl as his ex lover. Dude, you guys were never lovers! Not even a couple. No kiss, nothing! Jeez... LOL. He's really the Anders of BG3.
Another note about the ritual, as I was playing I kept wondering if the player character could do the ritual and sacrifice Astarion. I assume not because he got loose at some point after shoving Cazador off the platform. I don't even understand how he got loose, tbh. Kept expecting there to be a choice to free Astarion or not. That would have been suuuper evil. Interesting twist, so that's a shame. Unless there is a way I don't know about? I guess you have to be a vampire in the first place...
So you don't know what happens when you free all the spawn. Exciting, terrifying, lol! I have a very bad feeling about it, haha. The scene I was disappointed in is at the end of the game and it's because it seems to be played for laughs. It's fine that the scene is there, especially if someone doesn't really like Astarion or take him seriously, but I would like the option to respond in a more caring way and you're not given the option to do so ( it's especially sad for such an abused character imo). As for the breakup scenes, they all have different lines for each character depending on the point of your romance, or paths you're taking. The breakup line I was referring to happens in Act 2 after the drow confrontation, and you can say you "think he needs more of a friend than a lover" the response was sad and surprising. Sometimes I'll take a certain option to see what happens and then reload, Witchcockter posted a pic of Astarion's response in his second post. I basically would like it if you could say something similar on a friend path even without the romance, because it's a nice eye opening line that you only get to see on a romance/breakup and I find that unfortunate.
Gale is a big ninja romance, a lot of the companions are. He basically thought I was a cheater on my play-through and I never flirted with him once, didn't even get his famous weave scene so I don't know what was going on there. idk
And there are no epilogues, so I do not know what happens with the spawn. I think Larian said they thought people might find them boring so they left them out? which is weird but there might be a good chance they'll add epilogues at a later time because of all the feedback.
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Post by Psychevore on Sept 19, 2023 21:16:25 GMT
As I'm slowly finishing up my first run, I'm starting to think about my next. Question: does sneak attack work with rage? If yes, I will probably play a Half Orc Berserker 5/Thief 7 and hit like a truck with a dagger or rapier or something  If not I might play a Cleric for the first time in my life. Nature Domain, dump strength, dex and int, use maxed Wisdom for hitting things (with Shillelagh) until those sweet, sweet stat setting items come into play. That way all remaining points can be put in Con (good for concentration) and Cha (to avoid fights) and I'll end up with a ridiculous statline of like 18/18/16/18/8/16(or 18). Like I old school rolled a 94 or something 
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Post by Iakus on Sept 20, 2023 4:01:15 GMT
FINALLY, we meet at last! 
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Post by fylimar on Sept 20, 2023 7:16:56 GMT
I started my second playthrough with my Durge Suri Mena.  Dark Jaheira, I dig it! There's too many potential PTs I'd have to do, gosh... Durge sounds interesting and I agree that one who tries to resist it is most interesting and I can see this being intriguing and ripe with inner conflict for both with an Astarion romance. And I REALLY want to romance Astarion, dammit. But I'd rather play evil next and do completely different things. Which would be recruiting Minthara and maybe romancing her. Two PTd is usually the max I ever do, if at all. No matter how much I love a game. I always prefer new shiny games and new stories. It's... unfortunate. What I would love to do: 1. Play REALLY evil and corrupt and use and abuse all my companions, use the tadpole, become a monster. Get rid of all the characters who are too nice, like have Karlach killed outright. 2. Romance Astarion as a good person 3. Romance Karlach as a good person 4. Romance Astarion as a bad person and foster his dark side and be condescending scumbags together. 5. Romance Shadowheart as a good person 6. Push Shadowheart to the dark side and romance her with an evil character. Technically I'd like to romance all characters but the only games I ever did that were ME1+2. Not even ME3. Always meant to carry all romances through. Never happened. I guess this is what YT is for. Never got round to romancing my fav characters in DAI either (Cass and Dorian). Only 1 PT and a quickly aborted second one. Game was just too drawn out and I feel like BG3 is about as big. (Had 140h in DAI). So this is an issue with ANY big (open world) game for me. Takes too long. With BG3 at least it feels there's a lot of diverging content that would warrant at least one more PT without feeling tedious. Hmm. Yes, I love Jaheiras hair and had to get a mod to use it with my characters. About the length: yes, BG3 is a very big game, but unlike DAI I have actually fun playing it again. Most quests are fun and meaningful, whereas the sidequests in DAI felt boring and the world felt empty. I play BG3 nearly nonstop since 2020 in early access and never got bored. And I don't even play evil, I just love the tieflings too much. I think I played the first act of BG3 more often than the DA games combined ( and I have a lot of playthroughs with DAO and DA2)
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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 20, 2023 11:05:04 GMT
Why I think Karlach is a writer's pet is because there is very little choice on how to approach her. You are basically ride or die Karlach simp the minute she hits the camp, and there is very little room to be a complete dick to her directly. This is completely different from other companions. That's a valid point. I didn't really pay attention to that tbh. I was happily simping, lol. I guess there's so little to Karlach's story sadly that there's not that much room for being a dick to her? Also she's dealing with things in a positive way so there's not point going "don't cry about it" because she doesn't anyway. I feel like being a dick to other people is what hurts her most, lol. Shadowheart and Astarion have a childlike vulnerability to them because of the abuse. So you can mess them up the most. Still I get where you're coming from. Just weird that if the writers like Karlach so much, why did she get so little content. I mean, hell, even Minsc the super late addition gets more screen time, I think. At the beginning I really thought Kalrach would get awesome content. Her story is cool but then her problem gets semi solved and then that's it? I still have a lot to do in act 3 so I'm hoping there's SOMETHING else. Obviously the entire situation is grim. So it's even weirder this gets ignored so much. Like, well, tough luck. Can't help you there, mate. Moving on! Unless going to hell for the Orpheus business adds more Karlach content? I assume not. So far I could save everyone from dying outright, like Gale. Or fix their situation entirely. But maybe Karlach is destined to die because I guess somebody has to. Wyll is merely screwed but I hope I can do something about that too. On the other hand I like when stories require real sacrifice. In Karlach's case it would just suck though without gaining anything from her death.
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Post by Ravenfeeder on Sept 20, 2023 12:38:29 GMT
Why I think Karlach is a writer's pet is because there is very little choice on how to approach her. You are basically ride or die Karlach simp the minute she hits the camp, and there is very little room to be a complete dick to her directly. This is completely different from other companions. This kind of '' push '' whether intentional or not, makes me like a character less. The game should allow me to make the decision to care or not care about the characters. Given that there's a different writer for each Origin, all the them are "writer's pets". I suspect Karlach's lack of options is more down to her being written/recorded later than the rest. Samantha Beart has said she came into the project much later than the rest of the cast. She wasn't involved in all the Early Access recording and re-recording the rest of them did.
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Post by Curious Crow on Sept 20, 2023 19:33:48 GMT
Act 3 spoilers. Druid session ramblings. I don't like Orin's arc. Because I want to laze around in the city, see the sight, enjoy the tadpole nibbling on the scraps, ect. But it feels akward knowing my companion is in some stinky sewer being groped by Orin, and not the good gropin either. But she's so demanding. I need to kill Gortash, that's fine, kinda need to deal with his robots first which is annoying since I couldn't cheese the detonator with stealth. I could start the console but would then get rudely interrupted before it went boom. >:C And then I also have to be judged and found adequite by the anchovy man? Excuse you. There is only two ways our encounter can go and it's either death or romance and Gale is blocking the romance part.
So am overjoyed that the Helena loophole exists. And guessing it also works if you skip Gorthash and his mechanical wonders. And happy that I can just skip the persuasion check and call her pathetic. It was carthartic. Sure sure I should feel sorry for her but that frigging bridge kinda burned up all my patience.
Speaking of Gortash, since I blew up both is water and land park the fist at the castle thing were kinda miffed. Figured to turn the non lethal option on when the bodyguards turn came. Did knock out one fist because he never attacked me (except for attacks of oppurtunity but we all get a little eager with those). Then go to the upper floor and the nobles are panicing, but not hostile. So dispose of the baneites, then go back down and outside for a wee nap before facing the fancy man himself. Then I come back and everyone is suddenly chill. The nobles are circling the empty throne and one even has the gall to give me the stink eye when I tried to open the door to the upper floor. Like lady, you were screaming your head off a nap ago, don't you sass me.
Eitherway, do a bit of regicide. Karlach has her moment and the druid kinda just stands there, akward. Then when she leaves to go scream at the stars she says she loves me. Allright...Then we go back to camp and persumably she's done screaming and there is no conversation on this any more. Cool. Guess she mixed the saves up.
While I was not up for sexy times with the squid I was kinda disappointed he gave up so fast. I mean it's still a big old no but some pushing would've been appreciated. Did make a save before if the temptation hits.
The boat talk with Gale was so sweet. And now he's like constantly. Are u ok babe. Plz talk to me. U can tell me anything! Which is sweet but why don't I have the option to ask him to hug me while scream for a moment.
Been seeing so many characters with Alice's face it's making me miss her. Almost started leaning into the idea of have her be Dark Urge instead of Charlatan. I do have one Dark Urge going though so idk. Also keep forgetting to take screenies. Too absorbed into the game I guess.
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Post by coldwetn0se on Sept 20, 2023 21:23:06 GMT
So tossing out a tip regarding the Iron Throne (for those that may not know...and can learn from my stupid arse  ) I did manage to save everyone, but had to skip any looting to do so. The magpie in me was screeching! Here are some of the things I learned - and will definitely employ on my next run. 1) MEET OMELUUM! I suspect most people do, but some might not bother talking to Blerg in the Myconid colony during the Underdark section. 2) I didn't give the Gith egg to the old crone from the Society of Brilliance, and thankfully so (saw how that turned out online). If the "egg" isn't a factor, Blerg and Omeluum will come to Baldur's Gate, and you can speak to Blerg and learn that Omeluum is missing. 3) He is in the Iron Throne, and will telepathically speak to you. (He will also show up on the main map, once down in the prison.) When you get to him, he has the ability to "Blink" himself and one other character directly to the submersible. Here is where I was stupid. I had my MC rescue him, and then he and my messy Sorc just sat on their laurels for TWO TURNS!  I then wised up and started sending him back down the hatch during the last two rounds to grab the hostages. I read his unique spell of Blink incorrectly, and thought it was a "one-time use" spell. Nope! I ended up using all of my relevant potions (I had tossed haste spore in a number of areas to help quicken the smaller folk), and wasted so much time. In conclusion, if you are trying to do everything you can in the Iron Throne, USE the squiddy!  Next time, I am going to get that damn loot. Obviously, if you don't care about the loot, or saving more than just the main Gondian and the Duke (if he is still alive at this point), then proceed as you wish. Or if you really want to do the Gith egg thing, then go for it. Play as you want and have fun! 
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 20, 2023 22:35:40 GMT
So tossing out a tip regarding the Iron Throne (for those that may not know...and can learn from my stupid arse  ) I did manage to save everyone, but had to skip any looting to do so. The magpie in me was screeching! Here are some of the things I learned - and will definitely employ on my next run. 1) MEET OMELUUM! I suspect most people do, but some might not bother talking to Blerg in the Myconid colony during the Underdark section. 2) I didn't give the Gith egg to the old crone from the Society of Brilliance, and thankfully so (saw how that turned out online). If the "egg" isn't a factor, Blerg and Omeluum will come to Baldur's Gate, and you can speak to Blerg and learn that Omeluum is missing. 3) He is in the Iron Throne, and will telepathically speak to you. (He will also show up on the main map, once down in the prison.) When you get to him, he has the ability to "Blink" himself and one other character directly to the submersible. Here is where I was stupid. I had my MC rescue him, and then he and my messy Sorc just sat on their laurels for TWO TURNS!  I then wised up and started sending him back down the hatch during the last two rounds to grab the hostages. I read his unique spell of Blink incorrectly, and thought it was a "one-time use" spell. Nope! I ended up using all of my relevant potions (I had tossed haste spore in a number of areas to help quicken the smaller folk), and wasted so much time. In conclusion, if you are trying to do everything you can in the Iron Throne, USE the squiddy!  Next time, I am going to get that damn loot. Obviously, if you don't care about the loot, or saving more than just the main Gondian and the Duke (if he is still alive at this point), then proceed as you wish. Or if you really want to do the Gith egg thing, then go for it. Play as you want and have fun!  God. Damn. It. I made it to him with my MC, but didn't have time to get back (or even free him). The rest of the party got out with - most - of the Gondians, and the Duke, but then they had to get to the beach to revive my MC. Some bloody hero. Thank you, though - that will be very helpful next time around.
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