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Post by Catilina on Jul 24, 2022 16:05:18 GMT
Okay. Legbamel. And we'll see.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jul 24, 2022 19:07:14 GMT
Cati
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Post by legbamel on Jul 24, 2022 22:04:16 GMT
I was rather hoping to draw some people out of the woodwork to convince me of the error of my ways. or at least to pile on and act all suspicious.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 24, 2022 23:24:53 GMT
I change my vote from Legbamel to Dad.
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Post by adonniel on Jul 25, 2022 1:59:18 GMT
VOTES Legba - 1 Gerva - 1 Cati - 1 Dad - 1
Still to vote: Gerva
In order to promote rushed decisions and panic. CLOSING VOTES IN 48H.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jul 25, 2022 5:07:33 GMT
I was rather hoping to draw some people out of the woodwork to convince me of the error of my ways. or at least to pile on and act all suspicious. Gervaise is innocent. Seven is pretty specific in their hints so I’m leaning towards them being innocent as well. Though I couldn’t tell you who to switch to because I’m also at a loss, and you yourself may even be guilty. What do you think about Seven and Cati?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 25, 2022 8:52:22 GMT
I'm still thinking through my options.
Dadi seems fairly happy to accept the role of the Bear. Since the Bear does not seem wholly evil, I might take a risk if I thought that the Bear had any idea who the last Spy is, as they could eat them in the night. However, Dadi has been very reluctant to point the finger at anyone this round, although has declared their confidence in me, presumably to try and convince me to vote elsewhere.
Legbamel adopted a very dangerous strategy for a Spy but still hasn't altered the vote for me even though it was clear that a) no one else thinks I am a Spy and b ) I currently have the deciding vote. Presumably waiting for me to vote and will then follow my lead but I would prefer to know that I am in the clear before doing so or it could result in another tie-breaker.
Seven started the voting by opting for Legbamel, which is not suspicious in itself since Seven is probably as much in the dark as everyone else. However, I feel that the Spy would have opted for a different target, probably the Bear as it is as much a danger to the Spy as everyone else.
Catilina's voting is a touch suspicious, first opting to Legbamel and then switching after receiving a vote from Dadi, presumably to avert the possibility of Legbamel switching to him.
Okay, let's think through possible scenarios. If we don't get the spy this round, then they will likely eliminate someone overnight. If the Bear attacks them at the same time, then that leaves the Bear and one Hero and presumably we go to a tie-breaker? Or may be it is just a win for the heroes. If the Bear doesn't attack them or gets the wrong person, that would leave the Bear and a Spy. Again, would that mean a tie-breaker or just a win for the spies? Also, if the Bear is uncertain who the spy is, they could simply opt to not eat anyone overnight. That would leave a Spy, a Hero and a Bear. Either way the Bear survives. If we vote off the Bear this round, this would leave a Spy and 3 Heroes, one of whom would be eliminated overnight. Bearing in mind the confidence expressed in me as a Hero, I think the victim would likely be me. That would leave the survivors none the wiser about who to vote for next round. Based off the answers given, I don't think there is anyone still in the game who could remove the spy overnight, although they could have been concealing their identity.
It does seem a toss up between Cati as the potential Spy and Dadi as the Bear. I'm going to pray that it is really a nice Bear, so I vote for Catilina.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 25, 2022 9:40:41 GMT
I'm still thinking through my options.
Dadi seems fairly happy to accept the role of the Bear. Since the Bear does not seem wholly evil, I might take a risk if I thought that the Bear had any idea who the last Spy is, as they could eat them in the night. However, Dadi has been very reluctant to point the finger at anyone this round, although has declared their confidence in me, presumably to try and convince me to vote elsewhere.
Legbamel adopted a very dangerous strategy for a Spy but still hasn't altered the vote for me even though it was clear that a) no one else thinks I am a Spy and b ) I currently have the deciding vote. Presumably waiting for me to vote and will then follow my lead but I would prefer to know that I am in the clear before doing so or it could result in another tie-breaker.
Seven started the voting by opting for Legbamel, which is not suspicious in itself since Seven is probably as much in the dark as everyone else. However, I feel that the Spy would have opted for a different target, probably the Bear as it is as much a danger to the Spy as everyone else.
Catilina's voting is a touch suspicious, first opting to Legbamel and then switching after receiving a vote from Dadi, presumably to avert the possibility of Legbamel switching to him.
Okay, let's think through possible scenarios. If we don't get the spy this round, then they will likely eliminate someone overnight. If the Bear attacks them at the same time, then that leaves the Bear and one Hero and presumably we go to a tie-breaker? Or may be it is just a win for the heroes. If the Bear doesn't attack them or gets the wrong person, that would leave the Bear and a Spy. Again, would that mean a tie-breaker or just a win for the spies? Also, if the Bear is uncertain who the spy is, they could simply opt to not eat anyone overnight. That would leave a Spy, a Hero and a Bear. Either way the Bear survives. If we vote off the Bear this round, this would leave a Spy and 3 Heroes, one of whom would be eliminated overnight. Bearing in mind the confidence expressed in me as a Hero, I think the victim would likely be me. That would leave the survivors none the wiser about who to vote for next round. Based off the answers given, I don't think there is anyone still in the game who could remove the spy overnight, although they could have been concealing their identity.
It does seem a toss up between Cati as the potential Spy and Dadi as the Bear. I'm going to pray that it is really a nice Bear, so I vote for Catilina.
If you're a hero, you should rethink your vote.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 25, 2022 10:12:07 GMT
If you're a hero, you should rethink your vote. I am a hero, which you should be able to work out if you follow the narrative and which people have expressed confidence in me. Did you vote for Dadi as the Bear or as a Spy? I was rather perplexed why you changed your vote from Legbamel unless you were specifically aiming for the Bear. I know he voted for you but this still left Legbamel with 2 votes to your one. If Legbamel had changed from me to you, that would still have left me with the deciding vote. I ask again, should we be aiming for the Bear or the Spy? Originally, I thought the Bear but then thought it through and decided that perhaps the Spy would be the better option. If you are a hero, who do you think is the Spy?
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Post by Catilina on Jul 25, 2022 10:20:02 GMT
If you're a hero, you should rethink your vote. I am a hero, which you should be able to work out if you follow the narrative and which people have expressed confidence in me. Did you vote for Dadi as the Bear or as a Spy? I was rather perplexed why you changed your vote from Legbamel unless you were specifically aiming for the Bear. I know he voted for you but this still left Legbamel with 2 votes to your one. If Legbamel had changed from me to you, that would still have left me with the deciding vote. I ask again, should we be aiming for the Bear or the Spy? Originally, I thought the Bear but then thought it through and decided that perhaps the Spy would be the better option. If you are a hero, who do you think is the Spy? I want to target the spy as prior, but the bear is good too – the problem, I don't know, who is the spy and the bear.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 25, 2022 11:42:06 GMT
I don't know, who is the spy and the bear. I'm pretty sure Dadi is the Bear. I've had another rethink and perhaps it would be better to opt for the person I am fairly confident about, who is dangerous, rather than getting it wrong. So I change my vote from Catilina to Dadithinkimgay. You may have fooled me Cati but it will still leave us with 3 heroes versus one spy going into the night, unless Dadi decides to put me into a tie-breaker or Legbamel changes their vote to someone other than me.
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Post by legbamel on Jul 25, 2022 11:46:04 GMT
Okay, I am going to change my vote from Gervaise to Dadi on the basis of agreeing that it seems the bear is identified but the spy is ever so sneaky. I still don't have any strong suspicions and it seems like no one else does, either.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jul 25, 2022 15:47:26 GMT
I don't know, who is the spy and the bear. I'm pretty sure Dadi is the Bear. I've had another rethink and perhaps it would be better to opt for the person I am fairly confident about, who is dangerous, rather than getting it wrong. So I change my vote from Catilina to Dadithinkimgay. You may have fooled me Cati but it will still leave us with 3 heroes versus one spy going into the night, unless Dadi decides to put me into a tie-breaker or Legbamel changes their vote to someone other than me. I can’t think of a worse plan than voting out someone who you KNOW isn’t a spy while the other spy runs afoot. Like, you ARE technically getting it wrong by voting me out. Not only do you lose a member of your party, you also are helping out the spy this round. I didn’t realize a threat was someone who proved your innocence to the others. After I’m gone, the next person will likely be you. Meaning there will be 3 people voting blindly come the next day round. If I’m saved, there will at least be one person (either you or I) whose role won’t be up in the air. That will make it easier for us, and I say US because I don’t consider myself a spy.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 25, 2022 17:45:30 GMT
After I’m gone, the next person will likely be you. I do realise this. If I’m saved, there will at least be one person (either you or I) whose role won’t be up in the air. This is true, although I will still likely go out overnight. That will make it easier for us, and I say US because I don’t consider myself a spy. So the Bear is really on the side of the heroes? I presume that means the Bear will not attack anyone overnight in case they get it wrong. I must admit that should make it easier for the surviving Hero; just vote for the person who is not the Bear. I'm still unclear on the rules concerning the Bear, though. It says they win if they maul everyone to death, so I presume that means even if the Spy goes out, we would go into another night and the Bear mauls the last Hero. If I change my vote now, I assume we will get a tie-breaker, unless someone else follows my vote. You admit you can't be certain Cati is guilty and Cati doesn't seem certain who is the Spy either. May be it is a good act but may be it isn't. The same seems true of Legbamel. That leaves Seven, who was happy to vote for Legbamel and hasn't said much since. It could well be that the one time I didn't vote for Seven, is the one time that Seven is the Spy. Looking back at my notes, if Seven and Catilina have been telling the truth, I've a pretty good notion who they are. Legbamel is more problematic as could be one of two roles, one of which is Florianne. I don't know how Legbamel could be certain that none of the rest of us are Florianne unless being the role. Or it could be a clever ploy by the Spy. Should I trust the Bear? Why didn't you follow Cati's vote for Legbamel earlier? It was odd that you voted for Cati instead when you claim not to have any idea who is guilty, yet know I am innocent so it would make sense to vote for the person who voted for me. If you are on the side of the heroes and it is better that anyone goes out rather than you, why split the vote like that? Why don't you change your vote now? Then you could at least give yourself a chance by voting for Legbamel as that would make it two each and Legbamel has voted for you already. Your original vote for Cati was unprovoked and yet you seem to favour forcing me into voting for Cati. There is an outside chance you could be the Spy who has been pretending to be the Bear, whilst the real Bear has been keeping quiet about it. I still have one vote change left and am not going to use it when you have the option to change your vote first and yet are pressuring me to do so.
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Post by seven on Jul 26, 2022 1:41:41 GMT
I've not picked up anything to suggest who else to vote for - hence why I've not said anything else.
All I can offer is cute cat gifs.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 26, 2022 7:33:14 GMT
Okay, I've thought about it overnight and since Dadi is still sticking with Cati, I think I will let things stand. If I change my vote I have a one in three chance of getting it right, whereas opting for the person I believe is the Bear seems the wiser option. I don't feel that Cati has acted more suspiciously than anyone else. The alternative would be for me to swap to Legbamel. Even then that would still leave a tie-breaker unless the Bear also changed their vote.
Saying that you are on the side of the heroes is all very well when trying to save yourself but there is no guarantee what the Bear will do overnight. The Bear only wins by mauling everyone to death, so it is in the interests of the Spy to get rid of the Bear too. However, since the two players under threat if I change my vote can both potentially be spies, their voting doesn't tell me very much. I still think removing an identified threat is preferable to accidentally removing a Hero. If that results in me having to take one for the team overnight, then so be it.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jul 26, 2022 14:00:28 GMT
Okay, I've thought about it overnight and since Dadi is still sticking with Cati, I think I will let things stand. If I change my vote I have a one in three chance of getting it right, whereas opting for the person I believe is the Bear seems the wiser option. I don't feel that Cati has acted more suspiciously than anyone else. The alternative would be for me to swap to Legbamel. Even then that would still leave a tie-breaker unless the Bear also changed their vote. Saying that you are on the side of the heroes is all very well when trying to save yourself but there is no guarantee what the Bear will do overnight. The Bear only wins by mauling everyone to death, so it is in the interests of the Spy to get rid of the Bear too. However, since the two players under threat if I change my vote can both potentially be spies, their voting doesn't tell me very much. I still think removing an identified threat is preferable to accidentally removing a Hero. If that results in me having to take one for the team overnight, then so be it. So you’re voting me out while also saying that voting me out is in the interests of the spy? I don’t know what else to say to convince you that this a foolish move. It’s pretty much a wasted turn for us, and you’re essentially putting the nail in your coffin and setting the heroes up for failure come next day round. There is always a risk of voting out a hero. That hasn’t changed since the first round, but there are behaviors to look out for. That’s why I’m staying with Cati because they haven’t been specific with their answers nor were they paying attention to the conversations happening - which is pretty spy-like behavior to me. If not Cati, then Leg the next round. Done deal. And if it’s Seven, well, you’re playing a good game because I don’t suspect you at all! But oh well. That’s all I have to say.
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Post by seven on Jul 26, 2022 20:13:23 GMT
Man,why can't I be this good when I am the actual spy?
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jul 26, 2022 22:17:53 GMT
I'm sorry Adonniel, but may I ask for a 24 hour extension?
I'm not willing to let the heroes take this risk. I'd like more discussion with Cati and Leg.
Cati and Leg, can you see how voting me out is a huge risk for the heroes? I'm willing to change my vote to anyone other than Gervaise as I know they are innocent.
I understand how people may see me as a threat, but I'm not in the position to speak about my role. I will say that my interest is getting rid of the spies.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 26, 2022 23:05:28 GMT
How I forgot about Seven! Sorry. I have to think.
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Post by adonniel on Jul 26, 2022 23:08:38 GMT
I'm sorry Adonniel, but may I ask for a 24 hour extension? Granted!
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 27, 2022 8:40:34 GMT
I'm willing to change my vote to anyone other than Gervaise as I know they are innocent. I'm willing to change my vote, if you change yours first. I only have one vote change left and I have been burned before by taking action that I can then not undo when it plays into the hands of the spies. Obviously you want to survive so are going to fight for it. However, are you are genuinely on the side of the heroes? First round didn't offer us much in the way of clues from the voting as people just did reciprocal voting, apart from Cati who was left with the decision about how to break the deadlock. There was nothing helpful to go on from the questions, apart from the fact that someone had to be lying to avoid being seen as the Bear and, of course, the Spy would be lying anyway because they have no profile to base their answers on. However, what happened after Cati realised a decision needed to be made about who to vote for was what I found interesting at the time. In the exchanges prior to Cati's vote, you immediately denied you were the Spy, which Cati suggested was suspicious, followed by Seven. I suggested that I was more worried about the Bear, which you queried but others seemed to agree with me that it was a threat, immediately making me wonder if you were in fact the Bear. However, what really made me suspicious was what followed the vote for Seven. It was obvious that Seven would probably change her vote to someone else in order to give her a fighting chance in a tie-breaker. This is when your behaviour became really suspicious. Not only did you encourage her to change her vote but directed her towards me. I had made one comment about being worried about the Bear (which incidentally I would not have done as a Spy as I generally try not to draw attention to myself at all). Addressing yourself to Seven, you threw suspicion my way because " I find Gervaise the most suspicious because they keep directing fear onto a role that technically isn’t evil." I repeat, I made one comment about the Bear, plus a jokey rhyme. It was other people who picked up and ran with it. In making your argument about why the Bear should be allowed to survive, you didn't know that the tie-breaker would result in a boon that would thwart the Bear or that there would also be a debuff that would land on the Spy. In fact if the person choosing that option had gone for another, they would simply have been eliminated, leaving just two heroes, a spy and a bear. Either way, at the end of the night we could have been down two heroes, unless the Spy was foolish enough to opt for the same person as the Bear. I think that would have resulted either in a win for the spies (if the hero had been eliminated in the previous day round) or in one hero, one spy and one bear going into the vote. The Bear could then simply play one off against the other without really being bothered who was eliminated. So don't say the Bear is on the side of the heroes. (Incidentally, this will be the same scenario if we vote off a hero this round). There are two reasons why I didn't suspect Seven after the first round. Firstly, Seven appealed to other people to change their minds rather than immediately changing her vote. Then she appealed to the Bear to avenge her. This would be rather hard if the game ended because the last spy had been eliminated, although if it didn't then the Spy would draw consolation from everyone else being eaten. Still, after you pointed out to Seven that she could save herself by voting for someone else and then threw suspicion my way, that is what she did. As I said at the time, it was clear that it would have been a decision between you and me, since changing to Cati would not have saved her. It is also obvious that had I reciprocated the vote by changing it from you to Seven, then that would have automatically eliminated Seven and saved me from the tie-breaker. To avoid doing this was not the action of a last Spy, which is the argument I would have made for my innocence this round if you had not conveniently decided to declare it yourself. Now in order to save yourself, you are once again trying to manipulate other people into changing their votes rather doing so yourself first. Clearly, there is no point in switching to Legbamel or Catilina since they are already voting for you, so you are encouraging them to switch to Seven, just as you did with Seven switching to me in the first round. If you genuinely thought Seven was the Spy, why didn't you vote for her before? The fact is, like a true Bear, you are only concerned with your own survival and I honestly think the heroes will have a better chance of winning this without the Bear.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 27, 2022 8:51:58 GMT
Think very carefully before changing your vote. I could be wrong about Seven but I stand by my comments about the Bear. Whatever Dadi says, the Bear is a neutral role and in true animal fashion, survival is the only rule. (See what I have said about this above). It does not matter to the Bear who is voted off so long as they aren't.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jul 27, 2022 16:50:14 GMT
I'm willing to change my vote to anyone other than Gervaise as I know they are innocent. I'm willing to change my vote, if you change yours first. I only have one vote change left and I have been burned before by taking action that I can then not undo when it plays into the hands of the spies. Obviously you want to survive so are going to fight for it. However, are you are genuinely on the side of the heroes? First round didn't offer us much in the way of clues from the voting as people just did reciprocal voting, apart from Cati who was left with the decision about how to break the deadlock. There was nothing helpful to go on from the questions, apart from the fact that someone had to be lying to avoid being seen as the Bear and, of course, the Spy would be lying anyway because they have no profile to base their answers on. However, what happened after Cati realised a decision needed to be made about who to vote for was what I found interesting at the time. In the exchanges prior to Cati's vote, you immediately denied you were the Spy, which Cati suggested was suspicious, followed by Seven. I suggested that I was more worried about the Bear, which you queried but others seemed to agree with me that it was a threat, immediately making me wonder if you were in fact the Bear. However, what really made me suspicious was what followed the vote for Seven. It was obvious that Seven would probably change her vote to someone else in order to give her a fighting chance in a tie-breaker. This is when your behaviour became really suspicious. Not only did you encourage her to change her vote but directed her towards me. I had made one comment about being worried about the Bear (which incidentally I would not have done as a Spy as I generally try not to draw attention to myself at all). Addressing yourself to Seven, you threw suspicion my way because " I find Gervaise the most suspicious because they keep directing fear onto a role that technically isn’t evil." I repeat, I made one comment about the Bear, plus a jokey rhyme. It was other people who picked up and ran with it. In making your argument about why the Bear should be allowed to survive, you didn't know that the tie-breaker would result in a boon that would thwart the Bear or that there would also be a debuff that would land on the Spy. In fact if the person choosing that option had gone for another, they would simply have been eliminated, leaving just two heroes, a spy and a bear. Either way, at the end of the night we could have been down two heroes, unless the Spy was foolish enough to opt for the same person as the Bear. I think that would have resulted either in a win for the spies (if the hero had been eliminated in the previous day round) or in one hero, one spy and one bear going into the vote. The Bear could then simply play one off against the other without really being bothered who was eliminated. So don't say the Bear is on the side of the heroes. (Incidentally, this will be the same scenario if we vote off a hero this round). There are two reasons why I didn't suspect Seven after the first round. Firstly, Seven appealed to other people to change their minds rather than immediately changing her vote. Then she appealed to the Bear to avenge her. This would be rather hard if the game ended because the last spy had been eliminated, although if it didn't then the Spy would draw consolation from everyone else being eaten. Still, after you pointed out to Seven that she could save herself by voting for someone else and then threw suspicion my way, that is what she did. As I said at the time, it was clear that it would have been a decision between you and me, since changing to Cati would not have saved her. It is also obvious that had I reciprocated the vote by changing it from you to Seven, then that would have automatically eliminated Seven and saved me from the tie-breaker. To avoid doing this was not the action of a last Spy, which is the argument I would have made for my innocence this round if you had not conveniently decided to declare it yourself. Now in order to save yourself, you are once again trying to manipulate other people into changing their votes rather doing so yourself first. Clearly, there is no point in switching to Legbamel or Catilina since they are already voting for you, so you are encouraging them to switch to Seven, just as you did with Seven switching to me in the first round. If you genuinely thought Seven was the Spy, why didn't you vote for her before? The fact is, like a true Bear, you are only concerned with your own survival and I honestly think the heroes will have a better chance of winning this without the Bear. I don't think this is an accurate read. You said two comments about the bear - a jokey rhyme is still a comment, Gervaise. I've already made the point that the spies would be interested in drawing attention towards the bear. So that's why that happened, full stop. And then I learned otherwise and I've been working with you guys ever since. Also, I've already said that Seven seems innocent based on the specificity of their answers. So, no, I'm not trying to get Cati and Leg to switch to Seven. I don't have a grand master plan other than trying to root out the other spy. And I'm not just trying to save myself. I have said that the heroes will be at a disadvantage come next day if I'm voted out, but you seem more than happy to have Cati, Leg, and Seven be in that position. I hope that means you or someone else has something up their sleeve, because it's looking bleak for me. As far as vote switches go, I'm only willing to switch to Leg. It does not matter to the Bear who is voted off so long as they aren't. You just made the point that I tried to get Seven to vote for you, even though I wasn't in danger and could have remained silent. So that doesn't follow with my actions in this game.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 28, 2022 7:53:10 GMT
You just made the point that I tried to get Seven to vote for you, even though I wasn't in danger and could have remained silent. I made the point that it was likely that ultimately Seven would have changed her vote if no one else did, in order to give herself a fighting chance. There would have been no point in voting for Cati as that would have relied on someone else changing, which they had already failed to do. So, logically, Seven would have opted for either you or me. Seven had thrown some suspicion your way, so might well have opted for you. Thus you thought to fend off such a move by directing her to vote for me. As far as vote switches go, I'm only willing to switch to Leg. Here is the problem. If Cati is telling the truth, then can only be one role that I would not want to vote off. If Leg is telling the truth, then could be Florianne, again someone I would not want to vote off but for a different reason to Cati. Seven could be a number of roles but her response this round does point to one particular role. I don't think any of the roles are going to be much help to the heroes defending from the Spy. However, unlike the Bear, keeping them in the game is not going to endanger the other heroes. I repeat, get it wrong this round and eliminating a hero would leave us going into the night with two heroes, a spy and a bear. If the bear chooses to attack and opts from a different target to the spy, we would end the night with no heroes. If the bear chooses not to attack, we end the night with a hero, a spy and a bear. That leaves us with a 50/50 chance of the Bear choosing the spy correctly. adonniel ; Please would you clarify something for me. Does the game end once the final spy is eliminated or does it continue so long as the bear is in play? Also, if the spy attacks the bear in the night, are both eliminated or just the bear? I know I should have asked this before and the rules aren't clear on this. Please would you delay closing the vote until I have had time to process the answer; say another 12 hours. Thank you.
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