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Post by fylimar on Nov 20, 2024 5:10:24 GMT
Crows are freedom fighters, I hope at least they have no clothes on. I knew Zevran would take over one day! I think I'll try to avoid the unavoidable and steer clear of major major spoilers. I just don't know what to do about this game. As a long time fan, I really want to see it before dooming it, but I keep hearing exactly what murders the game for me. Personally, no other game surpassed DA in terms of building relationships with my companions. They're so real to me. The only way to do that is to give each a compelling story and do GOOD writing. When a character is like a parrot named Captain Obvious on your shoulder, it's hard to do better than offer them occasional crackers. My issue with starting a new Warden is that I literally went through every origin including both exactly the same mages, just one having pointy ears. Well, a very different personality too, since the other one was arcane warrior blood mage. Maybe wait until the game is on sale and try it then. At least in that case you didn't spent too much money on something, you might not like. Yeah, your Crow companion is not Zevran for sure. I must say, Baldurs Gate 3 did beat DA for me in mostly every regard, especially character writing.I was always more at home in Faerun than Thedas anyway as a longtime DnD player.
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Post by adonniel on Nov 20, 2024 19:21:41 GMT
I must say, Baldurs Gate 3 did beat DA for me in mostly every regard, especially character writing.I was always more at home in Faerun than Thedas anyway as a longtime DnD player. Sorry, I couldn't resist. How would this work in your case?
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Post by fylimar on Nov 20, 2024 21:19:06 GMT
I must say, Baldurs Gate 3 did beat DA for me in mostly every regard, especially character writing.I was always more at home in Faerun than Thedas anyway as a longtime DnD player. Sorry, I couldn't resist. How would this work in your case? I would dodge the rocks? But in all seriousness, since I like both, I just go back to the other DA games. At the moment, I'm concentrating a bit more on reading though, Tad Williams has finished his second Osten Ard saga and that one is really good.
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Post by adonniel on Nov 21, 2024 16:30:16 GMT
I would dodge the rocks? But in all seriousness, since I like both, I just go back to the other DA games. At the moment, I'm concentrating a bit more on reading though, Tad Williams has finished his second Osten Ard saga and that one is really good. I just realized, I always told the elves robbed by bridge bandits that I chased the aggressors away, but never gave them charity. Sounds like an excuse to do another run. As per Baldur's Gate, if you can't toss rocks fast enough at them.... I'm about to hang a desperate sign above my door 'Looking for a good new RPG to play.' I drove DA and Witcher 3 into the ground.
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Post by pelassarias on Nov 23, 2024 6:13:19 GMT
Yeah, I've been pretty confused about the reception as well, adonniel. It's been a bit all over the place. Some critics have said bioware is back, others say its fine, while others don't like it at all. So I decided to finally play the game myself. I think I'm around 20 hours in. So these are just initial impressions I suppose. But so far, I do have my gripes. But I'll keep it mostly spoiler free. (Although there might be minuscule spoilers? I put it in the spoiler tag just in case) A major one is the fact that there are few choices implemented from dai and it showing in dialogue and the overall story. They revealed this in an interview before the release of the game and it disappointed me a bit going in. And when you play through the story, you can tell that the writers are trying their best to skirt around this issue. But as someone who has played inquisition and the other games, I can tell what's going on and it results in awkwardness in the writing and the overall narrative for me. I wished they would have implemented more major choices in dai regarding the divine, what the inquisitor did with the wardens, who drank from the well of sorrows, etc. I don't mind them not implementing stuff from da2 and dao, but I think they cut too much here from dai considering the story.
That is probably my biggest gripe so far. I have a few others, like what fylimar mentions about the Crows. I don't like that change either. But despite these gripes, I think I'm going to try to give this a chance. Not everything in datv is bad for me. I like the group for the most part (emmrich, davrin & assan, and bellara are probably my favorites),harding's story so far is interesting, the combat is fun, I have actually enjoyed solas' presence despite not being a major fan, and I have enjoyed picking the grey warden faction for my rook so far. Again though, I'm pretty much still in the beginning, where I just met all the companions so far. So my opinion might change.
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Post by adonniel on Nov 23, 2024 15:21:12 GMT
Hi Pela Your review seems to run similar with a view I'm hearing, that as a game - without the connection to DA - it's not a bad action game that plays more like God of War, except God of War has much stronger writing. The conversation between BioWare and their old fan base seems to run along the lines of Bioware: Triumphant return of BioWare! Dark world filled with strife and conflict! Treacherous labyrinths! Forge relationships with your companions! Innovative combat you get to experience! Heart breaking decisions to shape the world against arising Gods! Become the Hero you desire in an Immersive RPG! Fans: Err the conflict which color fussy slippers to wear? BioWare: Treacherous labyrinths! Forge relationships with your companions! Innovative combat you get to experience! Heart breaking decisions to shape the world against arising Gods! Become the Hero you desire in an Immersive RPG! Fans: A two year old can solve this puzzle. BioWare: Forge relationships with your companions! Innovative combat you get to experience! Heart breaking decisions to shape the world against arising Gods! Become the Hero you desire in an Immersive RPG! Fans: You’re not letting me talk to my companions. BioWare: Innovative combat you get to experience! Heart breaking decisions to shape the world against arising Gods! Become the Hero you desire in an Immersive RPG! Fans: Idk it’s a little dodgy… all those sponge enemies. BioWare: Heart breaking decisions to shape the world against arising Gods! Become the Hero you desire in an Immersive RPG! Fans: You’re not letting me make important decisions. BioWare: Become the Hero you desire in an Immersive RPG! Fans: Is there any other setting to my Rook except goofball? BioWare: Immersive RPG! Fans: It’s not an RPG…
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Post by fylimar on Nov 23, 2024 18:23:49 GMT
I would argue it is not really an rpg, or an rpg with a very railroady GM.
My biggest gripe I can't tell about, because it is a huge spoiler. I'm not hating on the game, if people like it, it's great, I just like the DA universe a bit more gritty myself, not speaking of decisions, more the overall feeling: you play as an elf and no one bats an eyelash, qunari - same. It's as if people of Thedas never hated on elves or mistrusted qunari.
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Post by adonniel on Nov 25, 2024 1:13:14 GMT
fylimar and dadithinkimgay Whelp, I got spoiled for poking around. Awww you guys, don't feel bad. We can always pretend we got abducted by Sloth Demon and this game isn't real. I mean look at it... A game rated nudity just because Solas has a bald head can't be real.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 25, 2024 5:48:52 GMT
fylimar and dadithinkimgay Whelp, I got spoiled for poking around. Awww you guys, don't feel bad. We can always pretend we got abducted by Sloth Demon and this game isn't real. I mean look at it... A game rated nudity just because Solas has a bald head can't be real. I'm ok honestly, I just pretend, the game didn't happen, especially one part, that I as a fan of a certain character, hate with passion.
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Post by seven on Nov 25, 2024 8:57:54 GMT
I have a question. Spoiler for not really spoiler, but I'll spoiler it anyway just in case Did the Inquisitor's LI ever get mentioned? I'm pretty sure I remember picking them, but I don't remember ever hearing about it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 25, 2024 10:13:10 GMT
I hope at least they have no clothes on. I knew Zevran would take over one day! If only it were Zevran. He at least had a decent sense of humour but he could revert to the lethal assassin when required. There was a definite depth to his personality once you got past the superficial charm and you very much got the sense of him using that as a way of coping with his situation. I did rather like the fact that Lucanis said the Crows never took another contract in Ferelden after the 5th Blight because of what Zevran had done to embarrass the Crows and House Arainai in particular. However, that completely overlooked the fact they were still operating in Ferelden after his "failure" both during the 5th Blight (unless you killed that Crow master in Denerim) and subsequently during DAA when they were contracted once again by a Ferelden noble to attack either the Hero or the Orlesian Warden, who was now operating under the authority of the reigning monarch. However, they already seemed to have erased DAA from the lore even as far back as DA2 (because of Anders being in two places at once) and then in DAI, when the logical place to ask about the Wardens should have been Vigil's Keep and there was no need for Clarel to ask permission of Teagan to enter the country when the Wardens had an authorised base of operation. Also, they quietly forgot about the Architect and the awakened darkspawn. Still, based off the history of Zevran subsequent to DAO in WoT2, I would say that the Black Shadow would have had no trouble dealing with the pathetic, nepotistic bunch in DAV. The so called defenders of Antiva couldn't even cope with a solitary dragon on their own. Lucanis in Tevinter Nights sounded interesting and promising, plus you could see why his grandma wanted him to be First Talon. The Lucanis in DAV was said to be a Master Assassin but you really didn't get much evidence of it. He missed his mark twice in a row because apparently he was having problems focusing owing to his demon partner. Zevran would have made mincemeat out of this Lucanis. Of course, everything is so watered down in DAV that instead of leading a band of ruthless, cut-throat assassins who have no mercy on anyone who betrays them, he is basically just the head of the family business who can't even bring himself to execute a traitor because he is family. A real Crow would do that without any hesitation. Not to do so in front of the entire Crow organisation would be seen as a sign of weakness. Then again, this is no longer the Thedas we knew and loved.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 25, 2024 12:24:06 GMT
I have a question. Spoiler for not really spoiler, but I'll spoiler it anyway just in case Did the Inquisitor's LI ever get mentioned? I'm pretty sure I remember picking them, but I don't remember ever hearing about it. From what I have heard from Dorian mancers he doesn't really recognise the inqui. I think, there are some letters, but unless you are a Solavellan, you are pretty much out of luck. And Solavellan has become very creepy and cringy - someone compared them to Bella and Edward in Twilight and that is very fitting. I'm suddenly glad, Sera and Bull don't have a role in that game. Bad enough,what they did with my girl Isabela and my bestie Varric.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 25, 2024 12:29:25 GMT
I hope at least they have no clothes on. I knew Zevran would take over one day! If only it were Zevran. He at least had a decent sense of humour but he could revert to the lethal assassin when required. There was a definite depth to his personality once you got past the superficial charm and you very much got the sense of him using that as a way of coping with his situation. I did rather like the fact that Lucanis said the Crows never took another contract in Ferelden after the 5th Blight because of what Zevran had done to embarrass the Crows and House Arainai in particular. However, that completely overlooked the fact they were still operating in Ferelden after his "failure" both during the 5th Blight (unless you killed that Crow master in Denerim) and subsequently during DAA when they were contracted once again by a Ferelden noble to attack either the Hero or the Orlesian Warden, who was now operating under the authority of the reigning monarch. However, they already seemed to have erased DAA from the lore even as far back as DA2 (because of Anders being in two places at once) and then in DAI, when the logical place to ask about the Wardens should have been Vigil's Keep and there was no need for Clarel to ask permission of Teagan to enter the country when the Wardens had an authorised base of operation. Also, they quietly forgot about the Architect and the awakened darkspawn. Still, based off the history of Zevran subsequent to DAO in WoT2, I would say that the Black Shadow would have had no trouble dealing with the pathetic, nepotistic bunch in DAV. The so called defenders of Antiva couldn't even cope with a solitary dragon on their own. Lucanis in Tevinter Nights sounded interesting and promising, plus you could see why his grandma wanted him to be First Talon. The Lucanis in DAV was said to be a Master Assassin but you really didn't get much evidence of it. He missed his mark twice in a row because apparently he was having problems focusing owing to his demon partner. Zevran would have made mincemeat out of this Lucanis. Of course, everything is so watered down in DAV that instead of leading a band of ruthless, cut-throat assassins who have no mercy on anyone who betrays them, he is basically just the head of the family business who can't even bring himself to execute a traitor because he is family. A real Crow would do that without any hesitation. Not to do so in front of the entire Crow organisation would be seen as a sign of weakness. Then again, this is no longer the Thedas we knew and loved. Not to mention what became of the Felissima Armada. The Lord of Fortunes are a bad joke tbh. And my poor Isabela deserved better. She was kind of selfish in the other games, but she would never had made a spectacle making everything about her with doing pushups instead of just saying 'Hey, I'm sorry, I'll buy you a rum'. I hate that scene, it could have been a moment of character growth for both Isa and Taash and instead it was cringy as hell.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 25, 2024 14:47:36 GMT
I hate that scene, it could have been a moment of character growth for both Isa and Taash and instead it was cringy as hell. It also made me like Bellara a lot less. It was her pointing out the slip up which started the whole sequence. Then she ends up "doing a Bharv" too at the end, for eating the last bread stick (or whatever). So what they were Taash's favourite. Does no one get to eat them too? That whole episode was weird. Also, the world is going to hell in handcart and people are just chilling, eating snacks, drinking coffee and going on picnics. I know people need a bit of down time but it was getting ridiculous. I miss Leliana and her poignant song, whilst we can see how different people react in the background. Didn't need any navel gazing analysis. Also I think our mabari in DAO and DA2 was superior to both Assan and Manfred combined.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 25, 2024 15:04:01 GMT
I hate that scene, it could have been a moment of character growth for both Isa and Taash and instead it was cringy as hell. It also made me like Bellara a lot less. It was her pointing out the slip up which started the whole sequence. Then she ends up "doing a Bharv" too at the end, for eating the last bread stick (or whatever). So what they were Taash's favourite. Does no one get to eat them too? That whole episode was weird. Also, the world is going to hell in handcart and people are just chilling, eating snacks, drinking coffee and going on picnics. I know people need a bit of down time but it was getting ridiculous. I miss Leliana and her poignant song, whilst we can see how different people react in the background. Didn't need any navel gazing analysis. Also I think our mabari in DAO and DA2 was superior to both Assan and Manfred combined. Playing DAO again, I'm so happy, having my mabari again. Yes, it is a bit overdone with all the Wats and world ending stuff I also do not like Hardings and Emmerichs discussion about taking books to a camping trip. A camping trip during a crisis into a warzone... I would have loved a scene like with Inqui and the Chargers or the card game scene - it would have helped deepening the companions and it would be more believable. Going on a vacation during a crisis is just creepy, getting drunk or spending a rare evening playing a game is much more believable in my opinion. A lot of the companions do have potential, but it goes wasted. Bellara feels so shallow and she has so much going on for her, I can think of at least half a dozen good storylines for her. Same with Taash - given how well liked Karlach, a similar character from BG3 is, Taash should have been a hit.
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Post by adonniel on Nov 25, 2024 15:22:19 GMT
The Lucanis in DAV was said to be a Master Assassin but you really didn't get much evidence of it. Oh boy... sounds like Oghren assassinates better. Did he at least pick chests well or it's an Antivan thing? Not having your romance recognize you is a sad sad thing. I hope these guys have forgotten that Cullen ever existed entirely, unless you guys are sparing my feelings and not spoiling that. I think at this point you guys are good to spoil me. One of the things I was looking forward to was jumping in so I could participate in the discussion in a meaningful way with lots of details included, but I don't believe I'll be giving the money to this company. Considering they have forgotten to learn the lore of a story driven game before writing some drivel on top, I suddenly had my Mabari bury my coin pouch in an unknown location. fylimar I'm awaiting those new Warden screenshots. Same hair, new colour please.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 25, 2024 18:18:09 GMT
The Lucanis in DAV was said to be a Master Assassin but you really didn't get much evidence of it. Oh boy... sounds like Oghren assassinates better. Did he at least pick chests well or it's an Antivan thing? Not having your romance recognize you is a sad sad thing. I hope these guys have forgotten that Cullen ever existed entirely, unless you guys are sparing my feelings and not spoiling that. I think at this point you guys are good to spoil me. One of the things I was looking forward to was jumping in so I could participate in the discussion in a meaningful way with lots of details included, but I don't believe I'll be giving the money to this company. Considering they have forgotten to learn the lore of a story driven game before writing some drivel on top, I suddenly had my Mabari bury my coin pouch in an unknown location. fylimar I'm awaiting those new Warden screenshots. Same hair, new colour please.
Ok, biggest gripe for DAV for me, apart from it being too sanitized - and that is a big spoiler:
They kill off Varric in a very cheap way to make a kind of SIxth Sense plot, where Solas lets Rook interact with a dream Varric via blood magic, so that your character thinks, he is alive. The stupid part is, that Harding and Neve bot hsee him die and that companion group speaks about everything and analysing everything, yet they don't have huge reactions to Rook talkin gabout varric as if he is alive or even showing a funeral after Solas reveals everything.
Inquisitor has not a lot of reaction about Varric and a Solavellan just creepily follows the mass murderer into the Fade - not even saying anything about him killing Varric. And he didn't have to kill him: he already disarmed Varric as seen in the trailer and could have used a spell to just push him away. Instead he full on rammed the lyrium dagger into Varrics chest. Oh and he was a big Mythal fanboy and pretty much sidelines romanced Lavellan throughout the finale for her, so that romance creeps me out a lot now. A Lavellan going to the Fade with him comes across as a simp and very desperate - like those girls writing love letters to convicted serial killers.
So yeah, they killed my security blanket character for a cheap 'gotcha', that doesn't even work. As for my warden - I made a few and changed them, because DAO kept crashing on me. I suspect GOG Galaxy and try now a manual install.
I had those ladies, I like to play with - the dwarf is my main:
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Post by adonniel on Nov 25, 2024 19:39:22 GMT
fylimar I love the way your Wardens look. I still find DAO to be visually pleasing, and with some mods it's as good as Veilguard tbh. And hey, they have great hair. When I was stating what I desire to see in the next game, I point blank meant - just give me correct light in the character making screen equivalent of the one in game, so my character isn't a surprise; plus 3 hair wigs that don't look like hay stacks. NOT blow 90% of the budget on 30 shades of a transplanted patch of fur of a black, bi Nug under an armpit accessories. And fandom had already done that job for them with mods.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 27, 2024 9:01:16 GMT
Love your Wardens. As to your main gripe They kill off Varric in a very cheap way to make a kind of SIxth Sense plot, where Solas lets Rook interact with a dream Varric via blood magic, so that your character thinks, he is alive. The stupid part is, that Harding and Neve bot hsee him die and that companion group speaks about everything and analysing everything, yet they don't have huge reactions to Rook talkin gabout varric as if he is alive or even showing a funeral after Solas reveals everything. Inquisitor has not a lot of reaction about Varric and a Solavellan just creepily follows the mass murderer into the Fade - not even saying anything about him killing Varric. And he didn't have to kill him: he already disarmed Varric as seen in the trailer and could have used a spell to just push him away. Instead he full on rammed the lyrium dagger into Varrics chest. Oh and he was a big Mythal fanboy and pretty much sidelines romanced Lavellan throughout the finale for her, so that romance creeps me out a lot now. A Lavellan going to the Fade with him comes across as a simp and very desperate - like those girls writing love letters to convicted serial killers. So yeah, they killed my security blanket character for a cheap 'gotcha', that doesn't even work. The whole business with Varric was so contrived and disrespectful to his character. In a way though, what they did with Varric was symbolic of their attitude to the old fans and previous world states. They didn't fit with the narrative they wanted to tell, so they just chucked them on the rubbish heap. Now there were hints, particularly in DAI and its DLC that the main narrative was always something along these lines but from what has been revealed in the Art Book and other leaks the way it was going to be told was far superior to how it eventually turned out. This is partly the fault of the multiple reboots but not entirely. I remember how a few years back John Epler was quoted as saying that Dragon Age was all about people working as a "found family" or words to that effect and people responded by saying "no it isn't". If anything it was about people working together against a common enemy despite their differences, which could often be quite profound (think of the antagonism in DA2), and the player character could even end up betraying their companions if they so chose. At the time optimists like myself were saying we shouldn't read too much into it, despite him now being one of the main Devs in control of the game, but it turns out the pessimists were right to be worried at the time. Several of the characters would have seem to have been profoundly changed from what they were originally meant to be. Mary Kirby admitted that Lucanis had undergone the most changes of any character and it shows. I don't care what his defenders say on the Lucanis thread, this was not the character depicted in Tevinter Nights. I bet anything that she wasn't happy what they did with Varric either but I dare say was prevented from saying as much. I do hope she and the others win the law suit against Bioware/EA for how they mistreated them over the redundancy.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 28, 2024 7:51:50 GMT
adonniel and gervaise21 Thank you, I liked my wardens too, sadly DAO totally bugs out on me and I gave up on trying to get it to run properly. I'm back to playing BG3 and Guild Wars 2 now. Gerva: totally agree and I hope, Mary Kirby and the rest win their lawsuits. I'm really sad, when seeing , what kind of game we could have had.
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Post by adonniel on Nov 28, 2024 19:25:42 GMT
fylimar Oh no, I guess when people were asking for DAO makeover, this is the reason. The old game is having trouble running on modern stuff. Have you tried it without mods? It might fare better? I hope mine is going to work on my pc now. My old computer's hard drive burned down and I replaced the computer. I haven't played DAO since. I'm not ready to part with Ferelden, my canon Warden happened to be the Queen of. With darkspawn armies swarming the country, I guess she died at the head of Ferelden army with her husband and their daughter defending her home and loved ones. Thankx Failguard, murdering meh AND mah kids.
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