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Post by Quickpaw on Jul 22, 2019 0:59:57 GMT
I noticed there wasn't a dedicated thread for the Architect, of Dragon Age Awakening and Dragon Age: The Calling. (Or of his various plans to "tame" the blighted creatures of Thedas, Darkspawn and Ghoul alike) The Architect of Beauty "The Architect was the High Priest of Urthemiel and the leader of the Builders "who constructed monuments to the glory of the gods" according to the Great Plan. In scripture he is one of the seven Magisters Sidereal who physically entered the Golden City in -395 Ancient. The High Priest of Urthemiel was the first Magister whom Sethius Amladaris, the High Priest of Dumat, approached to join in his endeavour to reach the Golden City." What I find most interesting about this character, beyond the SEVERE ethical and logistical objections to his various plans, is the contrast between him and Corypheus (The Conductor of Silence). Mr. Archie here seems to have a memory problem that Cory lacks, believing himself to be simply an already awake Emissary rather than one of the Seven who began the Blight cycle in Thedas. I'll voice my own thoughts and theories about him in replies so I can present an unbiased "cover page." |
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 22, 2019 8:53:21 GMT
I actually really like the Architect, despite his whole "let's taint everyone so my own kind doesn't die out" whenever he meets the Warden (or anyone for that matter) he seems quite civil, attempting conversation and even healing wounds they might have gotten And while I suspect that sparing him will come to bite us back at some point, I tend to let him go free in 9 out of 10 of my playthroughs it also makes me wonder...where are the others of the Sidereal? According to one codex entry found in Inquisition, three of them got into a fight, one of them got killed and eaten by a third while the second one fled the scene. I suspect the one eating is Corypheus, and the one who fled was the Architect...so who was the third? And where are the other four?
I also wonder, how did the Architect end up with memory loss? When we first encounter Corypheus he also seems to have some memory loss which has cleared up by the time Inquisition rolls around so why didn't the Architect regain his memory after such a long time?  |
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Post by Iddy on Jul 22, 2019 18:53:27 GMT
I actually really like the Architect, despite his whole "let's taint everyone so my own kind doesn't die out" whenever he meets the Warden (or anyone for that matter) he seems quite civil, attempting conversation and even healing wounds they might have gotten And while I suspect that sparing him will come to bite us back at some point, I tend to let him go free in 9 out of 10 of my playthroughs it also makes me wonder...where are the others of the Sidereal? According to one codex entry found in Inquisition, three of them got into a fight, one of them got killed and eaten by a third while the second one fled the scene. I suspect the one eating is Corypheus, and the one who fled was the Architect...so who was the third? And where are the other four?
I also wonder, how did the Architect end up with memory loss? When we first encounter Corypheus he also seems to have some memory loss which has cleared up by the time Inquisition rolls around so why didn't the Architect regain his memory after such a long time? Corypheus didn't lose his memories. He knew who he was. He was just confused from awakening in modern times.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 23, 2019 6:18:12 GMT
I suspect the one eating is Corypheus, and the one who fled was the Architect...so who was the third? And where are the other four? According to Legacy, Corypheus has been imprisoned in the Vimmark Prison since shortly after the First Blight, so I suppose whether or not he was among the three depends on when exactly the codex was written? I'd say that he was already imprisoned by this time and the three were some of the other Magisters.
If I had to guess as to the cannibal, the "Madman of Chaos" would be a strong contender based on title alone.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 23, 2019 9:09:21 GMT
I suspect the one eating is Corypheus, and the one who fled was the Architect...so who was the third? And where are the other four? According to Legacy, Corypheus has been imprisoned in the Vimmark Prison since shortly after the First Blight, so I suppose whether or not he was among the three depends on when exactly the codex was written? I'd say that he was already imprisoned by this time and the three were some of the other Magisters.
If I had to guess as to the cannibal, the "Madman of Chaos" would be a strong contender based on title alone.
doh, why did I forget that? 
you're right
and I agree about the cannibal one, that title does seem like a good contender, but that still leaves who he ate and who the third one was
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 23, 2019 9:11:28 GMT
I actually really like the Architect, despite his whole "let's taint everyone so my own kind doesn't die out" whenever he meets the Warden (or anyone for that matter) he seems quite civil, attempting conversation and even healing wounds they might have gotten And while I suspect that sparing him will come to bite us back at some point, I tend to let him go free in 9 out of 10 of my playthroughs it also makes me wonder...where are the others of the Sidereal? According to one codex entry found in Inquisition, three of them got into a fight, one of them got killed and eaten by a third while the second one fled the scene. I suspect the one eating is Corypheus, and the one who fled was the Architect...so who was the third? And where are the other four?
I also wonder, how did the Architect end up with memory loss? When we first encounter Corypheus he also seems to have some memory loss which has cleared up by the time Inquisition rolls around so why didn't the Architect regain his memory after such a long time? Corypheus didn't lose his memories. He knew who he was. He was just confused from awakening in modern times. yeah that's what I meant, 'cause the moment Hawke reveals themselves he does recognize them...well, their blood that is and goes all "Imma gonna leave with you or through you" and then "Dumat give me your power!"
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 25, 2019 18:36:32 GMT
I also liked the Architect and spared him in all my playthroughs. But where did you guys get all this information on the other mages who fell when they infected the Golden City? I never beat Inquisition but made it pretty far in the vanilla game. Is it there were they mention the other mages? If so I'll have to try out the game again. Have the same character since the game launched. lol Or is the information in the books written by the writers of the series?
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 25, 2019 19:16:09 GMT
I also liked the Architect and spared him in all my playthroughs. But where did you guys get all this information on the other mages who fell when they infected the Golden City? I never beat Inquisition but made it pretty far in the vanilla game. Is it there were they mention the other mages? If so I'll have to try out the game again. Have the same character since the game launched. lol Or is the information in the books written by the writers of the series? it's mentioned in several codex entries throughout Inquisition, one of Dorian's war table quests also involves finding out the real name of Corypheus where you find out he was one of the Magisters who went to the Golden City you also gain some information by siding with the Templars and doing Calpernia's quest
some of the information is also written in the book World of Thedas
if you wish to read up on some things you can start with the wikia page on the Magisters Sidereal 
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 26, 2019 1:44:48 GMT
I also liked the Architect and spared him in all my playthroughs. But where did you guys get all this information on the other mages who fell when they infected the Golden City? I never beat Inquisition but made it pretty far in the vanilla game. Is it there were they mention the other mages? If so I'll have to try out the game again. Have the same character since the game launched. lol Or is the information in the books written by the writers of the series? it's mentioned in several codex entries throughout Inquisition, one of Dorian's war table quests also involves finding out the real name of Corypheus where you find out he was one of the Magisters who went to the Golden City you also gain some information by siding with the Templars and doing Calpernia's quest
some of the information is also written in the book World of Thedas
if you wish to read up on some things you can start with the wikia page on the Magisters Sidereal Thanks for the link and answers. I already knew Corypheus was one of the original magisters due to his dialogue in DA2. He seemed very confused and assumed Dumat still lived. Hmm, it seems like I may have to replay and actually finish Inquisition. lol
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 26, 2019 7:37:18 GMT
Thanks for the link and answers. I already knew Corypheus was one of the original magisters due to his dialogue in DA2. He seemed very confused and assumed Dumat still lived. Hmm, it seems like I may have to replay and actually finish Inquisition. lol you're welcome
to be honest, I saw the link between the two of them when I saw Corypheus in DA2, I was like..."wait a minute, this guy looks like the Architect, though he's less pretty" (granted the Architect was the head magister of Urthemiel (god of beauty)
and then they reveal that stuff and I wondered "is it a good plan to release/spare the Architect then?" but so far it hasn't been revealed to be a bad choice if you let him go, guess we'll have to wait and see for future installments 
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Post by Quickpaw on Jul 27, 2019 1:21:29 GMT
Now what I want to know is if the Architect shares Corypheus's "respawn" capabilities. Even if he is killed at the end of Awakening, is he truly dead? Maybe that's why he kept Utha and Serani beside him (though I doubt he would have told them of this if it were the case)
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Post by Sifr on Jul 27, 2019 3:48:06 GMT
Now what I want to know is if the Architect shares Corypheus's "respawn" capabilities. Even if he is killed at the end of Awakening, is he truly dead? Maybe that's why he kept Utha and Serani beside him (though I doubt he would have told them of this if it were the case) I suspect that each of the Seven Magisters possesses the ability to respawn, so that would explain why Corypheus and the Architect kept Grey Wardens and Awakened Ghouls around them at all times, possibly to serve as backup bodies in case they were killed.
I like to think that the Architect initially choose Utha for this reason, but over the decades they spent together, genuinely did become fond of her.
Semi-related question, we know that Corypheus can influence the minds of some Wardens (particularly mages) in close proximity to him, so does the Architect share that power as well? Was this the reason why (aside from wanting her sister back) Velanna was so gung-ho about siding with him in Awakening?
A point against this theory though is that Anders was hesitant about allying with him, when in retrospect, this should have affected him going by how Warden Mages are shown to be the most susceptible to it in DA2 and Inquisition.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 27, 2019 9:40:47 GMT
Now what I want to know is if the Architect shares Corypheus's "respawn" capabilities. Even if he is killed at the end of Awakening, is he truly dead? Maybe that's why he kept Utha and Serani beside him (though I doubt he would have told them of this if it were the case) I suspect that each of the Seven Magisters possesses the ability to respawn, so that would explain why Corypheus and the Architect kept Grey Wardens and Awakened Ghouls around them at all times, possibly to serve as backup bodies in case they were killed.
I like to think that the Architect initially choose Utha for this reason, but over the decades they spent together, genuinely did become fond of her.
Semi-related question, we know that Corypheus can influence the minds of some Wardens (particularly mages) in close proximity to him, so does the Architect share that power as well? Was this the reason why (aside from wanting her sister back) Velanna was so gung-ho about siding with him in Awakening?
A point against this theory though is that Anders was hesitant about allying with him, when in retrospect, this should have affected him going by how Warden Mages are shown to be the most susceptible to it in DA2 and Inquisition.
there's also the part about Velanna's Awakening ending slide if she accompanied you to the Mother's Lair if you spare the Architect she eventually saves a human village single handed, then several years later on a deep roads expedition she insists she saw Seranni in the shadows and takes off, when the Wardens try to find her they find nothing
I do think the Architect can influence minds (he does so to an extend in the book the Calling), but I wonder if it's a willpower thing I mean...we don't know exactly what it takes for someone to survive the Joining, is it willpower related as well as acceptance? after all, one has to accept becoming forever tainted, I think even if Jory hadn't been killed by Duncan he still would've died from the Joining itself since he's so adamant about drinking darkspawn blood (I believe there was also a part in the Last Flight that touched upon that but I don't remember the exact words)
as for Corypheus, we know the first Wardens that encountered him were affected by him, as are any following Wardens when the seals start to weaken (which is when they know they need to find someone to reinforce them (such as papa Hawke) but someone had to have been strong enough to overcome his influence to devise the plan to imprison him, after all if all Wardens present had been under his influence none would've been able to imprison him
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Post by Quickpaw on Jul 27, 2019 22:54:00 GMT
It always did seem rather suspicious to me that Serani had such a heel-turn between freeing us from the mines under the assumption that the Architect intended to do "horrible things" to us, to believing in him and his cause so completely after so little time and with FULL knowledge of how the awakened darkspawn reveled in the Wending Wood trap. I mean... You're willing to side with the literal monsters running experiments on you and your clanmates? ............ Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
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