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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 20, 2019 19:04:42 GMT
I don't disagree... I'm just saying that "talking like an arse and feeling like doing something good" was the basis of their power fantasy, not the combat itself. I agree, the dialogue in ME:A could have been much edgier (or at least edgier options could have been made available) and that would have been an improvement. However, ME:A2 could easily make that improvement. It's a relatively easy thing to change with Ryder since he/she is growing up and being exposed to things that would change a person and make them more jaded and cynical. It's a logical change for them to make. Only if those changes in personality are optional.
What is wrong with hope and optimism? I am sick of the jaded and cynical "heroes" who just brood when they're not beating up and/or killing the villains (and in some cases the "heroes" are barely different than the villains), I can be jaded, cynical, and downright nihilistic at times and I don't want to be that way all the fucking time. I need to have some hope and optimism in my media.
I LOVE heroes who have a sense of hope, optimism, humor, and can have fun even in the most dire of situations. Shepard needed more of that in the trilogy just to make Shepard a more "realistic" than what we got. Sorry but Shepard always being series and never having any fun with her life (other than ME3: Citadel) is not realistic it's just stupid and poor writing.
So Ryder is a much better written and well rounded character in one game than Shepard was in 3 games and all the DLC.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 19:09:44 GMT
Only if those changes in personality are optional.
What is wrong with hope and optimism? I am sick of the jaded and cynical "heroes" who just brood when they're not beating up and/or killing the villains (and in some cases the "heroes" are barely different than the villains), I can be jaded, cynical, and downright nihilistic at times and I don't want to be that way all the fucking time. I need to have some hope and optimism in my media.
Whoa... I did say "edgier options" to be added. There's nothing inherently wrong with hope or optimism. How is adding in a wider variety of personality options not a good thing?... as varied as they can logically afford to do and still keep the story cohesive, of course.
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Post by Rivercurse on Aug 20, 2019 19:46:38 GMT
I LOVE heroes who have a sense of hope, optimism, humor, and can have fun even in the most dire of situations. Shepard needed more of that in the trilogy just to make Shepard a more "realistic" than what we got. Sorry but Shepard always being series and never having any fun with her life (other than ME3: Citadel) is not realistic it's just stupid and poor writing.
I haven't been here for a while, but I just popped back to say "No". Edit - Also No.
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Post by Kabraxal on Aug 20, 2019 22:49:27 GMT
Only if those changes in personality are optional.
What is wrong with hope and optimism? I am sick of the jaded and cynical "heroes" who just brood when they're not beating up and/or killing the villains (and in some cases the "heroes" are barely different than the villains), I can be jaded, cynical, and downright nihilistic at times and I don't want to be that way all the fucking time. I need to have some hope and optimism in my media.
I LOVE heroes who have a sense of hope, optimism, humor, and can have fun even in the most dire of situations. Shepard needed more of that in the trilogy just to make Shepard a more "realistic" than what we got. Sorry but Shepard always being series and never having any fun with her life (other than ME3: Citadel) is not realistic it's just stupid and poor writing.
So Ryder is a much better written and well rounded character in one game than Shepard was in 3 games and all the DLC.
I don’t get it either.... for reason, so many people want cynical nihilism and grim misery in everything and I’m tired of seeing it push out fun and hopeful stories. Christ, we still have people bitching about Superman being “too goody, goody” and it just makes me want to smack them. Ryder and ME:A was a nice change of pace from the dreary shit infesting gaming...
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 21, 2019 4:21:06 GMT
I don't know... if you want an optimistic hero in an optimistic story, maybe the main theme of said story shouldn't be "unstoppable robo-cthulhus from dark space are going to commit galaxy-wide genocide in the uncounted trillions". Unless a character is completely oblivious, they should sooner or later be shaped by the events they are experiencing. Or at least there should be an option to play them that way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 5:20:09 GMT
I wouldn't call it genocide, more like Reaper reproduction.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 21, 2019 11:00:27 GMT
What is wrong with hope and optimism? I am sick of the jaded and cynical "heroes" who just brood when they're not beating up and/or killing the villains (and in some cases the "heroes" are barely different than the villains), I can be jaded, cynical, and downright nihilistic at times and I don't want to be that way all the fucking time. I need to have some hope and optimism in my media. You can take that up with the "(super)hero deconstruction" genre. It's an ongoing thing in the comic book industry and why the comic book industry has collapsed in the recent years. I LOVE heroes who have a sense of hope, optimism, humor, and can have fun even in the most dire of situations. Shepard needed more of that in the trilogy just to make Shepard a more "realistic" than what we got. Sorry but Shepard always being series and never having any fun with her life (other than ME3: Citadel) is not realistic it's just stupid and poor writing.
I don't know. Shepard to me seemed to have fun, but wasn't cracking jokes when on missions and killing people. Those times where reserved for interactions with other characters and crew. As a former military man, I can tell you we had some good fun during transit, but when on a mission, it was all serious business all the time. It's a shame we didn't get some kind of interaction scenes in the shuttle, instead of the loading screens in ME2 or even elevator rides like in ME1. So Ryder is a much better written and well rounded character in one game than Shepard was in 3 games and all the DLC. Shepard wasn't cynical nor brooding and I don't get where you get that idea from. He was matter of fact, sometimes insultingly so or maybe edgy at times, occasionally in an Arnold-one-liner kind of way, which to me is the fun way of doing edgy. Ryder was cracking juvenile jokes and quipping every other sentence, figuratively, to make him look fun and appealing, which to me had the exact opposite effect.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 4, 2019 15:18:52 GMT
I LOVE heroes who have a sense of hope, optimism, humor, and can have fun even in the most dire of situations. Shepard needed more of that in the trilogy just to make Shepard a more "realistic" than what we got. Sorry but Shepard always being series and never having any fun with her life (other than ME3: Citadel) is not realistic it's just stupid and poor writing.
I haven't been here for a while, but I just popped back to say "No". Edit - Also No.
If "no" is all you can say chances are you don't have anything worthwhile to say. At least I made a case and a defense for my opinion. So why don't you let the smart fans and people here debate and you can go play with yourself in the corner like the good useless troll that you are.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Sept 10, 2019 11:29:12 GMT
It's mostly due to the fact that the game is terrible and there's nothing impactful in it, so people forgot about it instead.
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Post by natetrace on Sept 11, 2019 0:38:27 GMT
I'm ok with it not inspiring videos like that actually...
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Post by SwobyJ on Sept 20, 2019 18:48:12 GMT
Like most of MEA, I liked the shell of Ryder, but the actual practice was highly inadequate.
Nothing wrong with a more optimistic protag. I was a whole variety and ideally a bigger range of expressing them. But Ryder was actually not all that different before and was chained to what mostly felt like a smaller range of expressing themselves.
I've said before that I wouldn't be opposed to Ryder again, with much better vision and work behind their character, and with bits of the MEA character being used as interesting hints of what's more dramatically to come. I can treat MEA as an optional prologue to what's to come, that's fine.
I at least like Ryder more than ME1 Shepard, sue me.
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