Should bioware do one final shepard game?

I can't believe I'm agreeing with you but in this instance I agree there should have been that option but that would require making nearly 2 separate games.

Not a whole separate game, really. It's entirely possible to circle things back around to where Shepard ends up taking TIM up on his offer (I am not opposed to a "working with the bad guys" scenario as such, merely in how it was railroaded)

It would, however, have required some exclusive content: Shepard visiting the Council and/or Anderson and Udina, and either being ordered to work with TIM as a way to infiltrate Cerberus (Paragon) or getting frustrated with the officials and going back to TIM of your own accord (Renegade). How things ended in ME1 could also push Shepard one direction or the other.

True I could see that working. It was definitely railroaded but ME2 is still my favorite. Though I enjoy ME3 almost as much.

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Post by themikefest on Sept 3, 2019 16:40:35 GMT

Aug 29, 2019 4:14:08 GMT Iakus said:

Not until AFTER agreeing to work with TIM, without verifying a single damn claim TIM makes. TIM also says if you don't want to work with them, they can go their separate ways. There is zero option to take him up on that.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with you but in this instance I agree there should have been that option but that would require making nearly 2 separate games.

Not really. If Shepard heads to the Citadel first to talk with Anderson, it wouldn't be hard for him/her to want to go back to Cerberus to deal with the abductions. With Anderson saying we thought you were dead, without any confirmation and saying it's up to Shepard to find a way to stop the reapers, that would make the decision to go back to Cerberus easy. It's obvious that Anderson and the Alliance don't care. My Shepard says **** you Anderson and **** the Alliance.

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Post by griffith82 on Sept 3, 2019 16:43:36 GMT

Sept 3, 2019 16:40:35 GMT themikefest said:

I can't believe I'm agreeing with you but in this instance I agree there should have been that option but that would require making nearly 2 separate games.

Not really. If Shepard heads to the Citadel first to talk with Anderson, it wouldn't be hard for him/her to want to go back to Cerberus to deal with the abductions. With Anderson saying we thought you were dead, without any confirmation and saying it's up to Shepard to find a way to stop the reapers, that would make the decision to go back to Cerberus easy. It's obvious that Anderson and the Alliance don't care. My Shepard says **** you Anderson and **** the Alliance.

That would work too.

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Post by Iakus on Sept 3, 2019 19:13:24 GMT

Sept 3, 2019 16:40:35 GMT themikefest said:

I can't believe I'm agreeing with you but in this instance I agree there should have been that option but that would require making nearly 2 separate games.

Not really. If Shepard heads to the Citadel first to talk with Anderson, it wouldn't be hard for him/her to want to go back to Cerberus to deal with the abductions. With Anderson saying we thought you were dead, without any confirmation and saying it's up to Shepard to find a way to stop the reapers, that would make the decision to go back to Cerberus easy. It's obvious that Anderson and the Alliance don't care. My Shepard says **** you Anderson and **** the Alliance.

And such a scenario should have been allowed to play out BEFORE agreeing to work for TIM.

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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 3, 2019 23:35:55 GMT

Aug 25, 2019 23:37:14 GMT themikefest said:

And yet Shepard does survive depending on ems and if destroy is chosen.

No. They just take a last breath before passing.

Actually one of the developers confirmed it did mean he survived. I don't have the quote or link and I know that hurts my case but I heard it a while ago.

Theidea that they showed that scene just to show shepard dying never made sense. Why not do it in the low ems destroy ending then? It seems stupid to put it in the ending that was harder to get if it was just his dying breath.

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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 3, 2019 23:41:53 GMT

Sept 3, 2019 16:40:35 GMT themikefest said:

I can't believe I'm agreeing with you but in this instance I agree there should have been that option but that would require making nearly 2 separate games.

Not really. If Shepard heads to the Citadel first to talk with Anderson, it wouldn't be hard for him/her to want to go back to Cerberus to deal with the abductions. With Anderson saying we thought you were dead, without any confirmation and saying it's up to Shepard to find a way to stop the reapers, that would make the decision to go back to Cerberus easy. It's obvious that Anderson and the Alliance don't care. My Shepard says **** you Anderson and **** the Alliance.

Yeah the council denying the reapers and then the turian councilor actually insulting shep "this reaper theory proves just how fragile your mental state is" and then having them offer to reinstate you "only symbolically" and then being told they weren't gonna do anything to help the human colonist provides shepard with a pretty good reason to work with cerberus (he doesn't have to actually "join" the cerberus team just work towards one goal). Even andersons response was essentially "my hands are tied I can't help them".

Although I have to say I don't blame the council for not helping those humans since they moved out of council space knowing they were leaving behind the councils laws and safety. However there attitude towards the reapers was what really angered me.

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Post by griffith82 on Sept 3, 2019 23:47:31 GMT

Sept 3, 2019 23:35:55 GMT garrusfan1 said:

No. They just take a last breath before passing.

Actually one of the developers confirmed it did mean he survived. I don't have the quote or link and I know that hurts my case but I heard it a while ago.

Theidea that they showed that scene just to show shepard dying never made sense. Why not do it in the low ems destroy ending then? It seems stupid to put it in the ending that was harder to get if it was just his dying breath.

I remember that too.

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Post by Iakus on Sept 4, 2019 3:01:51 GMT

Sept 3, 2019 23:35:55 GMT garrusfan1 said:

No. They just take a last breath before passing.

Actually one of the developers confirmed it did mean he survived. I don't have the quote or link and I know that hurts my case but I heard it a while ago.

Theidea that they showed that scene just to show shepard dying never made sense. Why not do it in the low ems destroy ending then? It seems stupid to put it in the ending that was harder to get if it was just his dying breath.

I have never seen a definitive "Shepard survived" statement from any developer. Always it was "it is implied" or "there is hope" Essentially, they gave players permission to headcanon it.

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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 4, 2019 7:29:46 GMT

Sept 3, 2019 23:35:55 GMT garrusfan1 said:

No. They just take a last breath before passing.

Actually one of the developers confirmed it did mean he survived. I don't have the quote or link and I know that hurts my case but I heard it a while ago.

Theidea that they showed that scene just to show shepard dying never made sense. Why not do it in the low ems destroy ending then? It seems stupid to put it in the ending that was harder to get if it was just his dying breath.

It's more bonkers to have him survive in 1 choice when the other 2 kill. Beside the bonkerness to have elastic ending while considering to continue as a successful franchise. Which in turn is bonkers on its own with having already pulled a galactic holocaust as setting. It's hard to top that - I know that's bonkers too - I've seen The Force Awakens.

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Post by alanc9 on Sept 4, 2019 15:06:27 GMT

Huh? I don't follow the argument. Since continuing the series while incorporating all outcomes was already off the table, having Shepard survive in only some endings doesn't make things worse. Double impossible is still just impossible.

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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 4, 2019 15:13:42 GMT

Huh? I don't follow the argument. Since continuing the series while incorporating all outcomes was already off the table, having Shepard survive in only some endings doesn't make things worse. Double impossible is still just impossible.

I disagree. Bioware and Mass Effect specifically has a history of not respecting all choices. So whether it is one or one million is irrelevant. Just keep going with the setting options that carried over the most potential possible and go on from there.

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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 4, 2019 15:31:12 GMT

Huh? I don't follow the argument. Since continuing the series while incorporating all outcomes was already off the table, having Shepard survive in only some endings doesn't make things worse. Double impossible is still just impossible.

Do yourself a big favor and stop trying to figure out goes on in the so-called minds of whining entitled fans. It's a path that leads to nowhere.

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Post by Iakus on Sept 4, 2019 15:45:48 GMT

Sept 4, 2019 15:31:12 GMT Cyberstrike said:

Huh? I don't follow the argument. Since continuing the series while incorporating all outcomes was already off the table, having Shepard survive in only some endings doesn't make things worse. Double impossible is still just impossible.

Do yourself a big favor and stop trying to figure out goes on in the so-called minds of whining entitled fans. It's a path that leads to nowhere.

Such a welcoming atmosphere we got here...

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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 4, 2019 15:50:12 GMT

Such a welcoming atmpsphere we got here...

I like the effort in baiting, though. I gotta admit, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, knowing I am always in peoples minds, in one way or another. It would really help if they used some subtlety, though, to have an effect. Otherwise it just comes off as funny or ironic shitposting.

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Sept 4, 2019 15:45:48 GMT Iakus said:

Sept 4, 2019 15:31:12 GMT Cyberstrike said:

Do yourself a big favor and stop trying to figure out goes on in the so-called minds of whining entitled fans. It's a path that leads to nowhere.

Such a welcoming atmosphere we got here...

Wonder if he sees the double meaning of that.... Ah, who am I kidding, of course he won't!

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Post by Iakus on Sept 4, 2019 16:30:57 GMT

Sept 4, 2019 15:50:12 GMT SirSourpuss said:

Such a welcoming atmpsphere we got here...

I like the effort in baiting, though. I gotta admit, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, knowing I am always in peoples minds, in one way or another. It would really help if they used some subtlety, though, to have an effect. Otherwise it just comes off as funny or ironic shitposting.

Not to mention privilege. I mean, if I posted anything like that, i'd have gotten my knuckles rapped for it.

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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 4, 2019 16:37:47 GMT

Not to mention privilege. I mean, if I posted anything like that, i'd have gotten my knuckles rapped for it.

Well, Edér, you know you're next for the gallows. Maybe it would help if you changed your avatar?

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Post by Iakus on Sept 4, 2019 16:49:57 GMT

Sept 4, 2019 16:37:47 GMT SirSourpuss said:

Not to mention privilege. I mean, if I posted anything like that, i'd have gotten my knuckles rapped for it.

Well, Edér, you know you're next for the gallows. Maybe it would help if you changed your avatar?

I'd swap him out for Pallegina. But, you know, Where I'm from, we see a feathered lady, we start worrying maybe her dad got frisky with his hens.

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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 4, 2019 16:51:16 GMT

Where I'm from, we see a feathered lady, we start worrying maybe her dad got frisky with his hens.

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Sept 4, 2019 15:13:42 GMT SirSourpuss said: