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Post by griffith82 on Sept 6, 2019 2:48:32 GMT
So you're disagreeing on the impossible part but agreeing on the irrelevance part, right? I do believe that when you make a commitment to honour all choices and go back on that, especially one as big as Shepard dying, then that promise is broken. And from there, whether you failed to honour one or a million is irrelevant. You've already broken your promise, so you might as well make it worth it. And with that in mind, a ME3 sequel is not impossible, no. They honored them fairly well and how'd they go back on that exactly? They didnt as far as I can tell. They didnt fail their promise imho. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 3:45:42 GMT
It's more bonkers to have him survive in 1 choice when the other 2 kill. Beside the bonkerness to have elastic ending while considering to continue as a successful franchise. Which in turn is bonkers on its own with having already pulled a galactic holocaust as setting. It's hard to top that - I know that's bonkers too - I've seen The Force Awakens. Shepard's DNA is used in the Reaper reproduction process. He has to be broken down to a molecular level to make the process work. Shepard gets turned into a husk, then he gets disintegrated.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 6, 2019 7:30:06 GMT
It's more bonkers to have him survive in 1 choice when the other 2 kill. Beside the bonkerness to have elastic ending while considering to continue as a successful franchise. Which in turn is bonkers on its own with having already pulled a galactic holocaust as setting. It's hard to top that - I know that's bonkers too - I've seen The Force Awakens. Shepard's DNA is used in the Reaper reproduction process. He has to be broken down to a molecular level to make the process work. Shepard gets turned into a husk, then he gets disintegrated. A blood sample might have sufficed for that. |
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Post by themikefest on Sept 6, 2019 11:14:09 GMT
It's more bonkers to have him survive in 1 choice when the other 2 kill. Beside the bonkerness to have elastic ending while considering to continue as a successful franchise. Which in turn is bonkers on its own with having already pulled a galactic holocaust as setting. It's hard to top that - I know that's bonkers too - I've seen The Force Awakens. Shepard's DNA is used in the Reaper reproduction process. He has to be broken down to a molecular level to make the process work. Shepard gets turned into a husk, then he gets disintegrated. My Shepard plays stupid. There is no vision of what to do for the green. Does Shepard give a drop of blood? How about a hair sample? What about spitting? Maybe taking a leak or a dump will be enough? Or better yet, go back down to grab one of the dead bodies to throw in the green. But that couldn't happen could it? It had to be Shepard. Since my Shepard has a weapon in her/his hand, she/he decides it's best to shoot the tube.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 6, 2019 11:27:48 GMT
They honored them fairly well and how'd they go back on that exactly? They didnt as far as I can tell. They didnt fail their promise imho. OK, so if they made a sequel to ME4 with Shepard, they wouldn't be breaking a promise either then, right? |
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 6, 2019 17:41:28 GMT
They honored them fairly well and how'd they go back on that exactly? They didnt as far as I can tell. They didnt fail their promise imho. OK, so if they made a sequel to ME4 with Shepard, they wouldn't be breaking a promise either then, right? Yes which is one reason they won't. |
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 6, 2019 17:44:39 GMT
Yes which is one reason they won't. So how can you be OK with a Shepard sequel to a dead Shepard in one case and not in the other? |
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 6, 2019 17:49:23 GMT
Yes which is one reason they won't. So how can you be OK with a Shepard sequel to a dead Shepard in one case and not in the other? *sigh* Because that ending in ME2 is the fail non canon ending. |
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 6, 2019 17:50:38 GMT
*sigh* Because that ending in ME2 is the fail non canon ending. Why is the ME2 dead Shepard ending a fail and the ME3 one isn't? In ME2, I blew up the collector base and killed the baby Reaper. |
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 6, 2019 17:53:53 GMT
*sigh* Because that ending in ME2 is the fail non canon ending. Why is the ME2 dead Shepard ending a fail and the ME3 one isn't? In ME2, I blew up the collector base and killed the baby Reaper. Because Shepard was meant to survive only till ME3. His/her sacrifice is the end. And non of the endings other than Shepard sacrificing themselves are canon allowing for player choice. |
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Post by themikefest on Sept 6, 2019 17:56:04 GMT
Shepard is meant to survive ME3 to tell the first story.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 6, 2019 17:58:29 GMT
Because Shepard was meant to survive only till ME3 That was never a criterion. Not one that was mentioned to any of the marketing material ever sold to me. There is no line from any Bioware developer that I came across that said "Shepard has to die at the end of ME3". His/her sacrifice is the end. And non of the endings other than Shepard sacrificing themselves are canon allowing for player choice. Kindly and eagerly awaiting citation source. |
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 6, 2019 17:59:42 GMT
Shepard is meant to survive ME3 to tell the first story. Except he/she doesn't. His companions do. If you get the special destroy ending it's very open ended as who knows if he/she was found before they died. |
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 6, 2019 18:02:22 GMT
Except he/she doesn't. His companions do. If you get the special destroy ending it's very open ended as who knows if he/she was found before they died. So you're saying it's possible. |
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 6, 2019 18:02:34 GMT
Because Shepard was meant to survive only till ME3 That was never a criterion. Not one that was mentioned to any of the marketing material ever sold to me. There is no line from any Bioware developer that I came across that said "Shepard has to die at the end of ME3". His/her sacrifice is the end. And non of the endings other than Shepard sacrificing themselves are canon allowing for player choice. Kindly and eagerly awaiting citation source. I dont have a link but Bioware has said the endings are up to the player and one isnt more canon that the rest. Whatever you choose is your canon. As far as no promotion saying that of course they didnt but it was made clear from the get that the big battle would require Sheps sacrifice. I knew that during ME1. |
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 6, 2019 18:03:34 GMT
Except he/she doesn't. His companions do. If you get the special destroy ending it's very open ended as who knows if he/she was found before they died. So you're saying it's possible. Yes Shep surviving is remotely possible for some players that get that. It was left open to interpretation. |
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 6, 2019 18:07:12 GMT
I dont have a link but Bioware has said the endings are up to the player and one isnt more canon that the rest. Whatever you choose is your canon Dead ME2 Shepard included? As far as no promotion saying that of course they didnt Check. it was made clear from the get that the big battle would require Sheps sacrifice. I knew that during ME1. Do not presume. Yes Shep surviving is remotely possible for some players that get that. It was left open to interpretation. But it is possible. |
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Post by Iakus on Sept 6, 2019 18:16:49 GMT
Why is the ME2 dead Shepard ending a fail and the ME3 one isn't? In ME2, I blew up the collector base and killed the baby Reaper. Because Shepard was meant to survive only till ME3. His/her sacrifice is the end. And non of the endings other than Shepard sacrificing themselves are canon allowing for player choice. So much for player choice...
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Post by Iakus on Sept 6, 2019 18:18:05 GMT
That was never a criterion. Not one that was mentioned to any of the marketing material ever sold to me. There is no line from any Bioware developer that I came across that said "Shepard has to die at the end of ME3". Kindly and eagerly awaiting citation source. I dont have a link but Bioware has said the endings are up to the player and one isnt more canon that the rest. Whatever you choose is your canon. As far as no promotion saying that of course they didnt but it was made clear from the get that the big battle would require Sheps sacrifice. I knew that during ME1. Shepard dead in most endings: canon Shepard may be alive in one ending: "Okay, we'll let you interpret it that way" Sounds legit...
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 6, 2019 18:18:40 GMT
So much for player choice... Exactly. Had you known it could end only in one way, would you be up for the ride? Would your "choices matter"? And if so, then it was malevolently withheld. Which makes Bioware liable for a lawsuit.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 7, 2019 2:35:26 GMT
Shepard's DNA is used in the Reaper reproduction process. He has to be broken down to a molecular level to make the process work. Shepard gets turned into a husk, then he gets disintegrated. My Shepard plays stupid. There is no vision of what to do for the green. Does Shepard give a drop of blood? How about a hair sample? What about spitting? Maybe taking a leak or a dump will be enough? Or better yet, go back down to grab one of the dead bodies to throw in the green. But that couldn't happen could it? It had to be Shepard. Since my Shepard has a weapon in her/his hand, she/he decides it's best to shoot the tube. I actually said that a LONG time ago. Why jump into into it. You just need to give dna. So in theory hair,spit,blood,skin,or a few other things should work just as well. I think shepard could easily get some blood since he is covered in his own blood so why jump in like an idiot.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 7, 2019 2:39:40 GMT
My Shepard plays stupid. There is no vision of what to do for the green. Does Shepard give a drop of blood? How about a hair sample? What about spitting? Maybe taking a leak or a dump will be enough? Or better yet, go back down to grab one of the dead bodies to throw in the green. But that couldn't happen could it? It had to be Shepard. Since my Shepard has a weapon in her/his hand, she/he decides it's best to shoot the tube. I actually said that a LONG time ago. Why jump into into it. You just need to give dna. So in theory hair,spit,blood,skin,or a few other things should work just as well. I think shepard could easily get some blood since he is covered in his own blood so why jump in like an idiot. Yes it has been mentioned many times before. Why jump in the green? I guess Bioware wanted the sacrifice thing. Whatever the reason, it wasn't enough for my Shepard to jump in the green. The game put a handgun in her/his hand for a reason. I shot the tube.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 7, 2019 2:42:58 GMT
Shepard is meant to survive ME3 to tell the first story. Except he/she doesn't. His companions do. If you get the special destroy ending it's very open ended as who knows if he/she was found before they died. Okay why would they do a "breath" scene in only one ending if it wasn't to say shepard lived. It doesn't make sense otherwise. You can argue alot of the stuff that came afterwards but in high ems destroy shepard lives. It is your reward for working your but off in SP or for playing MP. In the original pre EC game it was incredibly hard to get high ems destroy. If you didn't import a game you couldn't get it because certain decisions were impossible otherwise. For example you needed to do ALL the side missions,do the main missions a certain way and get every war asset possible. So basically you either played MP or you worked your but off and made ALOT of hard choices and had to import a game to get it. The EC made it ALOT easier to get. So shepard living in high ems was your reward for working your but off.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 7, 2019 2:44:48 GMT
I actually said that a LONG time ago. Why jump into into it. You just need to give dna. So in theory hair,spit,blood,skin,or a few other things should work just as well. I think shepard could easily get some blood since he is covered in his own blood so why jump in like an idiot. Yes it has been mentioned many times before. Why jump in the green? I guess Bioware wanted the sacrifice thing. Whatever the reason, it wasn't enough for my Shepard to jump in the green. The game put a handgun in her/his hand for a reason. I shot the tube. I do kinda like how you end up destroying the unkillable legions of giant death ships and millions or perhaps billions of troops with just a few pistol shots.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 7, 2019 5:36:21 GMT
Now people have changed at BioWare, but the problem is it was BioWare's plan to stop using Shepard after Mass Effect 3. During an interview in 2011 this was said. I think one of the bigger reasons is to let players think its a good time to start the franchise without having to go back and play three other games. Which unfortunately is generally human nature its why they also went with Mass Effect: Andromeda versus Mass Effect 4 for with movies if people see a number they are hesitant to go see a sequel that might indicate they have to see the prior movies if they haven't already seen them. PCGamer ArticleI really don't care what direction BioWare decides to go, except for trying to appease people instead of making a good story. Andromeda to me was BioWare trying to appease people by focusing on what they consider the best aspects of Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3 and stumbling on the overall product because they were focused more the three elements instead of the final product. |
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