Should bioware do one final shepard game?

I never understood the lack of jack content

Most people didn't upgrade the Normandy, so for most players going into ME3, she was dead. And because Bioware had 18 months to make ME3, she was royally reduced to a cameo in a side mission, just like Samara and we got Tali as a squadmate, 2/3 of the game in, because Weekes interjected that you can't have a Mass Effect game without Tali. Jack was supposed to be a full squadmate in ME3, hence the complete makeover.

I hope in the next game they come back as squad mates

Jack and Miranda in their interactions practically write themselves. I want elevator rides back, just so I can get stuck in one with Jack and Miranda.

I think they should have no new characters as squadmates

So it's possible to bring all the LI's back as crew. And yes this includes sam and cortez from ME3 Though they wouldn't be squadmates. It would bring ALOT of people to the game and sell dlc

Yes, it would. And as I said last time, after the Citadel blowing up, Kelly can decide that the safest place in the galaxy is right next to Shepard and she can be on board, too. But no Diana Allers, please. Why couldn't we get Emily Wong on board? She was a good girl and Bioware killed her off in a tweet.

Aug 15, 2019 7:11:27 GMT Son of Dorn said:

I honestly don't know why anyone would want Shepard to come back

Because he will sell copies.

People didnt upgrade? Why? Unless you want a dead crew. I dont agree this would bring everyone back. It's as risky as Andromeda 2. Andromeda 2 is the safer course.

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Should bioware do one final shepard game? Aug 23, 2019 15:31:17 GMT

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People didnt upgrade? Why?

Because they didn't know what the upgrades would be useful at? Don't ask me, I upgraded.

Unless you want a dead crew

From what I hear, it was entirely unintentional.

I dont agree this would bring everyone back

Obviously not everyone. Mordin and Thane are irrevocably dead. You can get around Legion's death, as with the rest of the Geth, even with the Destroy ending. Oh, there was a couple of Geth with a backup server with all the Geth processes on it and they went to a cluster that had no Relay activated and hid there, till the beam fired. Now the Geth are all back, hurray! Cheap, I know, but whatever. Or we could Lazarus Project a former dead squadmate or two. It could be part of the Normandy's next set of upgrades and bring all the former dead squadies back. Also cheap.

It's as risky as Andromeda 2. Andromeda 2 is the safer course.

Maybe, depending on what you mean by safe, but I don't see it being as marketable. At least right now. I mean, what's the pitch going to be? Remember that game we made that you guys really didn't like and reviewed worse than Sonic and the Dark Brotherhood? Well, we're making a sequel to that. Did we mention we're facing severe internal problems that will hamper development and the end result will be just as underwhelming? Also, it will feature an entire new squad of people that will feel vastly inferior to the OT crew that they will inevitably be compared to. That'll be $60, please. I don't see that going over that well with the fans.

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Aug 23, 2019 14:14:54 GMT themikefest said:

Aug 22, 2019 16:35:37 GMT @upagain said:

So, new Shepard is farmer who dreamed about joining the Alliance and screwed up his/her mission (be it Torfan, Acuze, or even Elysium, since were changing everything drastically anyways). He/she is a PITA soldier with a lippy attitude and a penchant for punching people or shooting them before talking to them. We have no paragon dialogue choices because of their (Bioware's) Shepard's background. Alec Ryder became the first human spectre for his service with Grissom. Anderson washed out of the Alliance when Saren tried to frame him and Saren was sent packing by a council that didn't want such an anti-human figure as part of the spectres. No one figures out the Reaper threat until they show up in Vancouver... and the story goes forward from there. If it's a mediocre game, will it sell to all or even most old Bioware fans driven away by how things went down at the end of ME3? I doubt it.

None of that happened since it was a dream.

With regards to farmer Shepard, he/she owns a farm. She/he has help from James and Kaidan as well as others who help to keep the farm running. Then there/'s Anderson, who's married to Kaylee. They have a farm called I Trust You. The next farm in the area is owned by Udina who's married to Helena Blake. In town, Ashley owns a beauty salon called Dollface. Jack owns a tattoo shop. Samantha owns a game store called Checkmate. Adams is the local mechanic that takes care of the machinery for the local farms. Chakwas is the local doctor. TIM is major of the town. Hackett is governor of the state. Conrad and Jenna own a sports bar called The #1 Fan. Kelly is the local psychiatrist. Her business is called I love everyone. Rupert Gardner owns the local restaurant. He's married to Gianna Parasini. Jacob works as a bouncer at the local strip club, The Prize. Miranda is the states attorney general. Ken and Gabby own the local car repair shop. Steve owns a small plane company. Jeff Moreau works at the local furniture store because he likes leather seats.

Yep, it was all a dream. Shepard dies a victim of Vrolik's Syndrome because Joker isn't strong enough to pull him onboard the SR2. As Shepard is falling into the abyss, he's dreaming about what might have been... the potential that he nitpicked away.

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Aug 23, 2019 15:31:17 GMT SirSourpuss said:

People didnt upgrade? Why?

Because they didn't know what the upgrades would be useful at? Don't ask me, I upgraded.

Do you have a source for people not upgrading? I've never heard stats on that. I don't doubt it, though -- the ME3 infographic implies that a lot of people finished ME3 in a low-EMS state, so I'm used to the idea of nonoptimal play from the bulk of players.

Obviously not everyone. Mordin and Thane are irrevocably dead.

Unless Mordin's in hiding, but I suppose that wouldn't change within the timeframe being proposed.

You can get around Legion's death, as with the rest of the Geth, even with the Destroy ending. Oh, there was a couple of Geth with a backup server with all the Geth processes on it and they went to a cluster that had no Relay activated and hid there, till the beam fired. Now the Geth are all back, hurray! Cheap, I know, but whatever. Or we could Lazarus Project a former dead squadmate or two. It could be part of the Normandy's next set of upgrades and bring all the former dead squadies back. Also cheap.

As usual, I don't understand how retconning choices away fits in with the whole concept of having to respect the player's choices. It's like canonization, but without the honesty.

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Should bioware do one final shepard game? Aug 23, 2019 17:19:13 GMT

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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 23, 2019 17:19:13 GMT

Aug 23, 2019 16:35:57 GMT alanc9 said:

Do you have a source for people not upgrading?

There was an info-something-or-other, like the one for ME3, but mot exactly, that a certain percentage did not upgrade, or did not upgrade enough, the Normandy and that most casualties occurred before the Collector base.

Aug 23, 2019 16:35:57 GMT alanc9 said:

Unless Mordin's in hiding, but I suppose that wouldn't change within the timeframe being proposed.

Sure.

Aug 23, 2019 16:35:57 GMT alanc9 said:

As usual, I don't understand how retconning choices away fits in with the whole concept of having to respect the player's choices. It's like canonization, but without the honesty.

To explain away inconsistencies, take less variables into account, make the setting more fun by not deleting entire factions etc. Or you could not. Just saying. It's an option that is available to them that they can chose to take or not. Just as many other things that they chose to insert that weren't there originally. Like the Andromeda Initiative. And I don't see how one can have a problem with one thing and not the other, without sounding like a hypocrite.

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Post by traks on Aug 23, 2019 17:40:34 GMT

IMO the next Mass Effect game is not about re-establishing ME to become a never-ending series. They wanted to do just a trilogy and have already brought out four games, so one above plans for an overall very successful franchise.

They should focus on bringing out the most exciting story they can imagine in the ME universe. If that gets a mass movement of fans old or new (back) into Mass Effect, fine. If not, a fantastic 5th game would be the proper end to the series.

I doubt that Shepard would be the fitting ingredient for the best possible next game (especially with the canon being 600+ years in the future), so I vote no to the OP's question.

Let Shepard rest. He told the story for as long as he could/wanted to. Time to accept that fact.

If they are not sure they continue the sries after game 5, it would be nice if they could connect both galaxies. I would be fine with a starting point either in Andromeda or the Milky way and continuing with Ryder or a new character (even in/from Andromeda). The story just has to be fantastic.

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Aug 23, 2019 17:40:34 GMT traks said:

IMO the next Mass Effect game is not about re-establishing ME to become a never-ending series. They wanted to do just a trilogy and have already brought out four games, so one above plans for an overall very successful franchise.

They should focus on bringing out the most exciting story they can imagine in the ME universe. If that gets a mass movement of fans old or new (back) into Mass Effect, fine. If not, a fantastic 5th game would be the proper end to the series.

I doubt that Shepard would be the fitting ingredient for the best possible next game (especially with the canon being 600+ years in the future), so I vote no to the OP's question.

Let Shepard rest. He told the story for as long as he could/wanted to. Time to accept that fact.

If they are not sure they continue the sries after game 5, it would be nice if they could connect both galaxies. I would be fine with a starting point either in Andromeda or the Milky way and continuing with Ryder or a new character (even in/from Andromeda). The story just has to be fantastic.

I don't expect the game to reach "most exciting" status, not through current Bioware. And because of Bioware's current track record, I doubt people will give it the benefit of the doubt. The game will really need a hook to draw players back in, otherwise it's not going to work.

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Post by traks on Aug 23, 2019 19:07:08 GMT

Bringing back Shepard would from a story standpoint be like making a movie sequel that doesn't make any sense. The one Shepard game too much. Could it sell? Of course. I for one would buy any new ME game, I'm still an addict. It would be a sequel just to make some money though.

But for the Mass Effect universe, it is not about sales anymore, it is about approaching the next game as if it is the last and about finishing on the highest note from a quality standpoint. And that means the best story at the end of the canon they want to tell (so, sorry, but Shepard can't be in it, being dead for likely 500+ years even if he survived, unless he put himself into stasis).

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Aug 23, 2019 15:31:17 GMT SirSourpuss said:

People didnt upgrade? Why?

Because they didn't know what the upgrades would be useful at? Don't ask me, I upgraded.

Unless you want a dead crew

From what I hear, it was entirely unintentional.

I dont agree this would bring everyone back

Obviously not everyone. Mordin and Thane are irrevocably dead. You can get around Legion's death, as with the rest of the Geth, even with the Destroy ending. Oh, there was a couple of Geth with a backup server with all the Geth processes on it and they went to a cluster that had no Relay activated and hid there, till the beam fired. Now the Geth are all back, hurray! Cheap, I know, but whatever. Or we could Lazarus Project a former dead squadmate or two. It could be part of the Normandy's next set of upgrades and bring all the former dead squadies back. Also cheap.

It's as risky as Andromeda 2. Andromeda 2 is the safer course.

Maybe, depending on what you mean by safe, but I don't see it being as marketable. At least right now. I mean, what's the pitch going to be? Remember that game we made that you guys really didn't like and reviewed worse than Sonic and the Dark Brotherhood? Well, we're making a sequel to that. Did we mention we're facing severe internal problems that will hamper development and the end result will be just as underwhelming? Also, it will feature an entire new squad of people that will feel vastly inferior to the OT crew that they will inevitably be compared to. That'll be $60, please. I don't see that going over that well with the fans.

Now your being facetious. There is so much I dont agree with in that statement. I dont agree it was underwhelming or the squad was inferior but I didnt compare them. Also you dont know they'll suffer the same problems.

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I played through ME2 maybe a couple months ago. Haven't done a playthrough since 2013. I went through the Omega 4 relay, and thought to myself, oh shit, I forgot to upgrade the Normandy.

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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 24, 2019 15:32:30 GMT

I dont agree it was underwhelming or the squad was inferior but I didnt compare them

You don't have to. But if you read, listen, or watch the critics that reviewed Andromeda, these seem to be their overwhelming critiques, or part of them, in addition to whatever other complains they bring forth. You may not agree with it, but that's what it is and its another reason as to why the game underperformed, compared to EA's projections.

Also you dont know they'll suffer the same problems.

I wrote an entirely too long answer to this, but please, instead of me doing the talking, describe to me how do you see Andromeda 2 being received? from announcement to release.

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However they bring Sheppard back would be too messy to be believable. So no.

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Aug 24, 2019 15:32:30 GMT SirSourpuss said:

I dont agree it was underwhelming or the squad was inferior but I didnt compare them

You don't have to. But if you read, listen, or watch the critics that reviewed Andromeda, these seem to be their overwhelming critiques, or part of them, in addition to whatever other complains they bring forth. You may not agree with it, but that's what it is and its another reason as to why the game underperformed, compared to EA's projections.