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Post by alanc9 on Jun 9, 2020 19:44:44 GMT
IT wouldsn't make sense to pour a whole bunch of money into ME this year anyway. Bio as it currently exists can't handle three projects that are out the conceptual phase, and it sounds like MENext isn't ready to get out of that stage even if they had the staff.
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Post by NotN7 on Jun 9, 2020 21:53:18 GMT
IT wouldsn't make sense to pour a whole bunch of money into ME this year anyway. Bio as it currently exists can't handle three projects that are out the conceptual phase, and it sounds like MENext isn't ready to get out of that stage even if they had the staff. Sorry I understand what your saying but do we really know how Bioware is staffed? I mean after all they really haven't been chatty other than we know there are 30 peeps working to fix Anthem
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 10, 2020 0:35:13 GMT
If they'd gone on a hiring binge, we'd know it. That can't be done in secret, and there are people who go through all the dev recruiting channels to try abd see what's happening.
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Post by Ascend on Jun 10, 2020 12:57:39 GMT
I don't think the Andromeda studio should have been closed, although I completely understand why.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 10, 2020 16:43:32 GMT
EA shut down the part of bioware that made andromeda. Did that show trust? After multiple missteps and contractions I don’t see the capacity currently to shift significant focus away from dragon age. There’s a handful on anthem, maybe a few exploring other stuff. If dragon age looks promising then maybe there will be more rope on offer to trust them. But that, in turn, doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the Bioware name, for the public. Why should I, they buyer, trust Bioware when their employer doesn't?
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 10, 2020 16:59:42 GMT
EA shut down the part of bioware that made andromeda. Did that show trust? After multiple missteps and contractions I don’t see the capacity currently to shift significant focus away from dragon age. There’s a handful on anthem, maybe a few exploring other stuff. If dragon age looks promising then maybe there will be more rope on offer to trust them. But that, in turn, doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the Bioware name, for the public. Why should I, they buyer, trust Bioware when their employer doesn't? They are being trusted to create the next dragon age. Not sure what you as a buyer are looking to trust them about other than that parting money for their product is worthwhile. Only a good game delivered can inspire renewed confidence in their name in that regard.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 10, 2020 17:12:33 GMT
They are being trusted to create the next dragon age From what was reported, the DA4 announcement happened without the consent of EA higher ups and it angered a lot of people, but Bioware, seeing how Anthem was going to release, announced it so as to have a "future" project announced and not have it cancelled under wraps by EA and the studio closed down. So this was more of a Bioware forced EA's hand situation, which also doesn't inspire me with a lot of confidence. Not sure what you as a buyer are looking to trust them about other than that parting money for their product is worthwhile. Their method of operation certainly doesn't inspire me to do so. Only a good game delivered can inspire renewed confidence in their name in that regard. Honestly, what are the chances of that happening? When getting an Andromeda level of quality game can be considered a vast improvement, to the quality of their latest title? It might be better, but I don't expect much. And what is publicly know about DA4 doesn't inspire much confidence, either.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 14, 2020 6:15:09 GMT
If it angered EA, maybe that's a good thing, because fuck EA.
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Post by eternalambiguity on Jun 14, 2020 7:03:20 GMT
If it angered EA, maybe that's a good thing, because fuck EA. EA has been kind to Bioware. Only 1 out of their last 5 games hasn't had some kind of controversy associated with it.
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Post by redeem on Jun 14, 2020 23:11:10 GMT
I largely prefer Shepard based games, so I would welcome another game with him in it, but at the same time, Bioware is not the same and I have negative confidence in their ability to make a serviceable product. In my mind, the series is dead.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 15, 2020 3:09:24 GMT
I largely prefer Shepard based games, so I would welcome another game with him in it, but at the same time, Bioware is not the same and I have negative confidence in their ability to make a serviceable product. In my mind, the series is dead. I think too much time has passed anyway. I just don't think the characters would feel right at this point, and whatever time gap they establish between ME3 and the hypothetical game should see them become more than just groundside combatants. I mean, after defeating the reapers, would it just be Shepard & Friends on some low-key adventure? Can I choose to have Shepard constantly complain about her back aching after being on the Citadel when it blew up?
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Post by redeem on Jun 15, 2020 17:05:58 GMT
I largely prefer Shepard based games, so I would welcome another game with him in it, but at the same time, Bioware is not the same and I have negative confidence in their ability to make a serviceable product. In my mind, the series is dead. I think too much time has passed anyway. I just don't think the characters would feel right at this point, and whatever time gap they establish between ME3 and the hypothetical game should see them become more than just groundside combatants. I mean, after defeating the reapers, would it just be Shepard & Friends on some low-key adventure? Can I choose to have Shepard constantly complain about her back aching after being on the Citadel when it blew up? I am in between on that as well. If they did another Shepard game too early, it would have angered the "leave the OT behind" crowd. But in the same vain, it might have been too long to even make another game with that cast since most of the people who played the OT hate the series or are indifferent to it now. As for a theoretical game, it could be some small scale game akin to the dynamic we saw in Kasumi's DLC or LOTSB. More to do with political dynamics within races and corruption not related to the Reapers. I also always had a thought that with the Reapers defeated, there is nothing stopping the Leviathan's from trying to take over.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 15, 2020 20:51:52 GMT
I think too much time has passed anyway. I just don't think the characters would feel right at this point, and whatever time gap they establish between ME3 and the hypothetical game should see them become more than just groundside combatants. I mean, after defeating the reapers, would it just be Shepard & Friends on some low-key adventure? Can I choose to have Shepard constantly complain about her back aching after being on the Citadel when it blew up? I am in between on that as well. If they did another Shepard game too early, it would have angered the "leave the OT behind" crowd. But in the same vain, it might have been too long to even make another game with that cast since most of the people who played the OT hate the series or are indifferent to it now. As for a theoretical game, it could be some small scale game akin to the dynamic we saw in Kasumi's DLC or LOTSB. More to do with political dynamics within races and corruption not related to the Reapers. I also always had a thought that with the Reapers defeated, there is nothing stopping the Leviathan's from trying to take over. More than that though, Mass Effect as a trilogy was ultimately the resolution of Shepard’s exposure to a much bigger world and bigger threat. Even if it didn’t exactly stick the landing, it still landed and ended that thread. I feel like with that sort of thing, a character’s chapter should rightly close when they reach that resolution, and either they die doing what they had to do, or they live their life and do things not really interesting enough to warrant a game focused on them specifically. The prospect of seeing our old beloved characters finding themselves in better places than they were before, no longer answering to people like they did in the past and being able to reap the benefits of the world they fought for just sounds more appealing to me. Like, I loved seeing Wrex as the leader of his clan on Tuchanka. Sure, it would’ve been nice to have him be a squad mate again, but I was thoroughly satisfied that a character I liked found new purpose, and was happy with my new son krogan squad member. Let the newbies suffer instead lol
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Post by themikefest on Jun 15, 2020 21:18:19 GMT
I largely prefer Shepard based games, so I would welcome another game with him in it, It wouldn't be hard to bring Shepard back for another game. Here's one idea to have Shepard return. I believe they can. One thing I would suggest to them is if they decide to make another trilogy, is to try to have the same writers for all games. There was a post on the old forum from someone who said that about 75% of the people who worked on ME1, did not work on ME3. For me, it's still alive, just in rest mode.
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Post by redeem on Jun 15, 2020 21:53:53 GMT
I largely prefer Shepard based games, so I would welcome another game with him in it, It wouldn't be hard to bring Shepard back for another game. Here's one idea to have Shepard return. I believe they can. One thing I would suggest to them is if they decide to make another trilogy, is to try to have the same writers for all games. There was a post on the old forum from someone who said that about 75% of the people who worked on ME1, did not work on ME3. For me, it's still alive, just in rest mode. I know it would not be hard. There's just a vocal minority who believe that this company can still keep it up with Andromeda despite how woeful reception was. Shepard trilogy was by far the peak of the franchise and likely the peak of Bioware as well. Anthem and Andromeda back to back does not inspire confidence. It would be nice to have all the same writers, but we all saw Drew not even part of ME3 despite being largely responsible for the most popular game in the series (ME2). Outside of Rannoch and Tuchanka, the rest of ME3 felt very dejected compared to the first two games tones. But that's also a gripe for myself after getting used to more dialogue and character interaction. I have no had a playthrough of the series in years. Could not even complete Andromeda when it came out. Got maybe halfway through and did not end up finishing the game until much later. The remaster news has me slightly hopeful, but I also have a level of personal hope that they somehow go back and fix some glaring flaws in the original releases that are not related to bugs or graphics.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 15, 2020 22:07:01 GMT
The notion of playing my shep again is a nice dream. I just don’t see the reality them implementing it and everybody else’s sheps and their choices. The likelihood would be a shep that’s not my shep which would make my annoyance at me3’s auto shep pale in comparison. A fixed post me3 ending without seems a far more workable notion for a post me3 game.
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Post by eternalambiguity on Jun 15, 2020 22:29:14 GMT
Outside of Rannoch and Tuchanka, the rest of ME3 felt very dejected compared to the first two games tones That was absolutely intentional. In my opinion it fit perfectly, but either way it wasn't a mistake by a bad writer.
A new game with lower stakes would not have the same tone at all.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 16, 2020 0:00:38 GMT
I largely prefer Shepard based games, so I would welcome another game with him in it, but at the same time, Bioware is not the same and I have negative confidence in their ability to make a serviceable product. In my mind, the series is dead. I think too much time has passed anyway. I just don't think the characters would feel right at this point, and whatever time gap they establish between ME3 and the hypothetical game should see them become more than just groundside combatants. I mean, after defeating the reapers, would it just be Shepard & Friends on some low-key adventure? Can I choose to have Shepard constantly complain about her back aching after being on the Citadel when it blew up? Agreed. It's likely it would do far more harm than good.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 16, 2020 0:56:05 GMT
I think too much time has passed anyway. I just don't think the characters would feel right at this point, and whatever time gap they establish between ME3 and the hypothetical game should see them become more than just groundside combatants. I mean, after defeating the reapers, would it just be Shepard & Friends on some low-key adventure? Can I choose to have Shepard constantly complain about her back aching after being on the Citadel when it blew up? The great thing about fictional characters is that you can age them as much as you want. Or de-age them, if you want.
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Post by redeem on Jun 16, 2020 2:51:33 GMT
Outside of Rannoch and Tuchanka, the rest of ME3 felt very dejected compared to the first two games tones That was absolutely intentional. In my opinion it fit perfectly, but either way it wasn't a mistake by a bad writer.
A new game with lower stakes would not have the same tone at all.
Well I mean ME1 had more of a "stakes" tone to me. 70 percent of ME3 is fighting Cerberus, not the Reapers. The tone was completely dejected because a singular Turian seemed more impactful than the series main villains. ME3's writing in comparison to the former 2 is bad IMO.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 16, 2020 3:01:33 GMT
I think too much time has passed anyway. I just don't think the characters would feel right at this point, and whatever time gap they establish between ME3 and the hypothetical game should see them become more than just groundside combatants. I mean, after defeating the reapers, would it just be Shepard & Friends on some low-key adventure? Can I choose to have Shepard constantly complain about her back aching after being on the Citadel when it blew up? The great thing about fictional characters is that you can age them as much as you want. Or de-age them, if you want.
Sure, the NPC's. Shepard, not so much, unless they do something terrible like use the default and just age Sheploo. I'd probably toss the game in the trash if they did.
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Post by Phantom on Jun 16, 2020 3:07:59 GMT
That was absolutely intentional. In my opinion it fit perfectly, but either way it wasn't a mistake by a bad writer.
A new game with lower stakes would not have the same tone at all.
Well I mean ME1 had more of a "stakes" tone to me. 70 percent of ME3 is fighting Cerberus, not the Reapers. The tone was completely dejected because a singular Turian seemed more impactful than the series main villains. ME3's writing in comparison to the former 2 is bad IMO. Well They tried to have a Fifth Column with Cerberus but , I do admit it, that they overdid it with Cerberus as the token Fifth Column and many members here have joking called the Second Coming of the Sith Empire or themikefest calls them as Keystone Cops. I prefer if they ever redo Mass Effect 3, having more factions to play the fifth column role that Cerberus fill as of right now.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 16, 2020 3:57:00 GMT
IT wouldsn't make sense to pour a whole bunch of money into ME this year anyway. Bio as it currently exists can't handle three projects that are out the conceptual phase, and it sounds like MENext isn't ready to get out of that stage even if they had the staff. Sorry I understand what your saying but do we really know how Bioware is staffed? I mean after all they really haven't been chatty other than we know there are 30 peeps working to fix Anthem Now this information is before BioWare Edmonton moved to their new building. We know they have two teams in Edmonton and a support team in Texas (they are the ones that are working on The Old Republic and Anthem now). BioWare did have a third team for Mass Effect: Andromeda, but they were merged into Motive Studios which was working on Star Wars: Squadron. Generally from older comments from developers is they normally have one game in full blown production (best guess right now is Dragon Age 4) and another in the concept/prototype stage (my guess a new Mass Effect game). Since then BioWare Edmonton has moved into a new building with more room, but no idea on how they are staffed for they might be the same or they might have more from new hires or transfers from other areas of EA.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 16, 2020 4:02:28 GMT
That was absolutely intentional. In my opinion it fit perfectly, but either way it wasn't a mistake by a bad writer.
A new game with lower stakes would not have the same tone at all.
Well I mean ME1 had more of a "stakes" tone to me. 70 percent of ME3 is fighting Cerberus, not the Reapers. The tone was completely dejected because a singular Turian seemed more impactful than the series main villains. ME3's writing in comparison to the former 2 is bad IMO. Mass Effect 1 was just as hollow as the other Mass Effect games. All the did was introduce the Reapers and the rest of the game was hunting down Saren. Just like in Mass Effect 2 the main focus of the game was hunting down the Collector's while pretty much just showing the Reapers controlled the Collectors, and with Mass Effect 3 it was mostly about Cerberus and then how much the Reapers controlled Cerberus. Its why for me the Reapers were a bad idea. Its also why I don't want Shepard to return for like the majority of other game developers they would try and raise the stakes with a sequel and since I think the Reapers were bad design it would mean we would have a worse designed greater enemy.
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Post by eternalambiguity on Jun 16, 2020 4:34:15 GMT
Shame we never got ME: Citadel.
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