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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 23, 2020 10:38:20 GMT
TLOU2 is a game that wants to immerse you completely and not waste your time with inane bullshit. A true bright spot in today's gaming. Well, I guess that’s better than comparing it to Schindler’s List.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 23, 2020 11:22:20 GMT
Isn't Ryder's story done? His/her goal was to find a home for humanity. That was done when Meridian was found.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 23, 2020 11:32:26 GMT
Isn't Ryder's story done? His/her goal was to find a home for humanity. That was done when Meridian was found. Debatable, considering the nagging sequel bait it tosses into a post-credit scene, suggesting that the Kett may not be quite done. That and the fact that Ryder is still very much alive with few wide-sweeping world states to account for at least leave room for more manageable continuity.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 23, 2020 12:23:45 GMT
Seriously though, what do you recommend they do to remedy the problem? First, we'd have to agree that the problem starts before Andromeda. Not everyone thinks that, in spite of the old BSN catching fire, due to an event that happened around the time of the previous installment of the ME franchise's release. So we can go on from there, once we've agreed upon it, or we can disagree and that'll probably be the end of the conversation.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 23, 2020 14:07:37 GMT
Debatable, considering the nagging sequel bait it tosses into a post-credit scene, suggesting that the Kett may not be quite done. Don't need Ryder for that. Ryder being alive doesn't mean anything. Look at Shepard. He/she dies at the beginning of ME2, and because of plot, he/she is brought back from the dead. With regards to world states, yes it's more manageable to continue in Andromeda. That doesn't mean a continuation can't happen in the Milky Way after the events of ME3. If a sequel is to have Ryder return, would all the pathfinders return as well? I ask this because the turian and asari ship missions are optional. Would Bioware bring in a 3rd va for the asari pathfinder? If not, is Bioware going to have it where that ship was able to get to the Nexus? How about the turian pathfinder? I know both need to be completed for Dunn to survive.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 23, 2020 14:55:37 GMT
Debatable, considering the nagging sequel bait it tosses into a post-credit scene, suggesting that the Kett may not be quite done. Don't need Ryder for that. Ryder being alive doesn't mean anything. Look at Shepard. He/she dies at the beginning of ME2, and because of plot, he/she is brought back from the dead. With regards to world states, yes it's more manageable to continue in Andromeda. That doesn't mean a continuation can't happen in the Milky Way after the events of ME3. If a sequel is to have Ryder return, would all the pathfinders return as well? I ask this because the turian and asari ship missions are optional. Would Bioware bring in a 3rd va for the asari pathfinder? If not, is Bioware going to have it where that ship was able to get to the Nexus? How about the turian pathfinder? I know both need to be completed for Dunn to survive. It’s not a matter of need. There’s no real need for a new protagonist either, but in this case, the thread that leads from that scene fits most with Ryder, given the history so far and other things left unresolved. It’s clear that you don’t like or want it, but that doesn’t change the situation. Shepard was brought back by a major asspull of “resources”, the result of a pointless death that ultimately functioned identically to a coma. I’d prefer never to get anything like that again. The various outcomes of Andromeda are fairly minor compared to the big decisions of ME3. The characters whose fates we affect are relatively minor, some of which have very little dialogue. Their swap or absence would probably not be felt. You are right though. Nothing prevents a continuation of Mass Effect as a post-ME3, since both settings now exist independently. However, it’s clear that BioWare didn’t consider that option to be viable, hence going an alternate route altogether. They might go ahead with that option in hope of saving face or something, but let’s not fall for the idea that this is at all a safe option, given what they would need to do to make it work. The one thing I’m certain of is that if we do get a post-ME4 game, it would probably still be a new cast of characters rather than reprising the old ones outside of prominent NPC’s.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 23, 2020 15:01:21 GMT
I know both need to be completed for Dunn to survive Bioware would have Dunn step down, regardless, in the sequel and might get a small cameo, present another fodder character who may or may not die and either be killed off screen between Andromeda 2 and 3, or be killed off in Andromeda 3, because "real" consequences. I am not invested, because even if he survives the entire way through, his involvement will be minimal, as will be every character with a potential lethal path. At this point, it's just detrimental to my investment in the franchise and my belief in Bioware to make significant commitment to the player's choices being realized in any meaningful way.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 23, 2020 16:30:06 GMT
It’s not a matter of need. There’s no real need for a new protagonist either, but in this case, the thread that leads from that scene fits most with Ryder, given the history so far and other things left unresolved. It may fit with Ryder doesn't mean Ryder has to return. As far as the other stuff. The jardaan could be investigated by another character. It's clear you like/want Ryder to return, but that doesn't change anything. It may not work for you, but if Bioware does that, it works for them and possibly others as well. That's possible though if the plot involves the reapers in any capacity, Shepard would likely be the one to deal with that. I know both need to be completed for Dunn to survive Bioware would have Dunn step down, regardless, in the sequel and might get a small cameo, present another fodder character who may or may not die and either be killed off screen between Andromeda 2 and 3, or be killed off in Andromeda 3, because "real" consequences. I am not invested, because even if he survives the entire way through, his involvement will be minimal, as will be every character with a potential lethal path. At this point, it's just detrimental to my investment in the franchise and my belief in Bioware to make significant commitment to the player's choices being realized in any meaningful way. Who is this he you speak of? Dunn is female.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 23, 2020 16:35:26 GMT
Who is this he you speak of? Dunn is female. Sorry, my bad. As I've said before, I don't think of these characters, I hardly remember who they are and I often mix them up in the game. I don't even know/remember who dies. But, either way, I expect Dunn's fate to line up with the above, regardless.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 23, 2020 19:59:37 GMT
TLOU2 is a game that wants to immerse you completely and not waste your time with inane bullshit. A true bright spot in today's gaming. If TLOU2, a game that is utter trash, is a bright spot then I weep for the future of gaming.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 23, 2020 20:51:34 GMT
TLOU2 is a game that wants to immerse you completely and not waste your time with inane bullshit. A true bright spot in today's gaming. If TLOU2, a game that is utter trash, is a bright spot then I weep for the future of gaming.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 23, 2020 20:57:39 GMT
If TLOU2, a game that is utter trash, is a bright spot then I weep for the future of gaming. I’ll take that as you admitting you were wrong and conceding defeat.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 23, 2020 21:09:34 GMT
I’ll take that as you admitting you were wrong and conceding defeat. Indeed. Hopefully Naughty Dog can get in touch with the Mass Effect Andromeda writers, and really try and pin down some of the genius that went into incredible lines like 'my face is tired'. Actually, not just the writers. Naughty Dog need to get in touch with MEA's designers as well. As I was walking through the painstakingly detailed cities of TLOU2 I was thinking to myself "Man this is ok, but I really miss driving around Voeld and freeing 0/8 hostages".
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Post by redeem on Jun 24, 2020 0:40:31 GMT
Anybody who does not think TLOU2 is garbage from a story standpoint is just blind at this point. Mechanically? The game runs amazing and you could legitimately have fun with the game based off just the in-game mechanics alone. But the story is a jumbled piece of garbage that contradicts itself from the get-go and Ellie's entire purpose in the story and what her "antagonist" does get completely flipped and it is some of the worst writing I have ever seen. Rivalling that of ME3's ending and bits of Andromeda.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 24, 2020 1:30:47 GMT
It’s not a matter of need. There’s no real need for a new protagonist either, but in this case, the thread that leads from that scene fits most with Ryder, given the history so far and other things left unresolved. It may fit with Ryder doesn't mean Ryder has to return. As far as the other stuff. The jardaan could be investigated by another character. It's clear you like/want Ryder to return, but that doesn't change anything. It may not work for you, but if Bioware does that, it works for them and possibly others as well. That's possible though if the plot involves the reapers in any capacity, Shepard would likely be the one to deal with that. Bioware would have Dunn step down, regardless, in the sequel and might get a small cameo, present another fodder character who may or may not die and either be killed off screen between Andromeda 2 and 3, or be killed off in Andromeda 3, because "real" consequences. I am not invested, because even if he survives the entire way through, his involvement will be minimal, as will be every character with a potential lethal path. At this point, it's just detrimental to my investment in the franchise and my belief in Bioware to make significant commitment to the player's choices being realized in any meaningful way. Who is this he you speak of? Dunn is female. Like I said, it’s not a matter of necessity. What I am saying though is that Ryder at least has unfinished business that could just as well be attended to along with the continuation of the setting. There’s no particularly strong reason not to follow that thread with an established character with ties to that narrative, other than “I don’t want it”, of course. I’m not sure how that’s really a rebuttal. Sure I want Ryder to return, that much is obvious, but I don’t think the situation you speak of is the same as the one I’m referring to. The situation is simply that Ryder is narratively the most qualified character to continue any threads following the events of the first game. If you want to fabricate a new character to follow future threads, that’s fine, but this phantom character and companion roster has no history or connection to the story that we’ve observed so far. It’s not a matter of whether or not something works for me, but the writers making a world state function by making the appropriate story decisions, either by canonizing a specific world state scripted by Mass Effect 3, or cherry-picking elements in a combination they feel might appeal to players the most (e.g., picking Destroy, but the geth and EDI get to live). It’s not likely that BioWare would ever have the reapers play an active role in a future game again. The trilogy exhausted them, and there’s not much value left in them other than just remembering the history of the previous games, like perhaps seeing a reaper husk half-buried on Tuchanka or something as remnants of a long-won war. Frankly, trying to do more again with them would be extremely disappointing and show that they’ve finally run the well completely dry. There’s so much presumably unknown throughout the galaxy. It’d be a shame to squander it on something we’ve already seen enough of for years. ”Reapers? Ah shit, here we go again.”
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Post by eternalambiguity on Jun 24, 2020 4:29:36 GMT
Seriously though, what do you recommend they do to remedy the problem? First, we'd have to agree that the problem starts before Andromeda. Not everyone thinks that, in spite of the old BSN catching fire, due to an event that happened around the time of the previous installment of the ME franchise's release. So we can go on from there, once we've agreed upon it, or we can disagree and that'll probably be the end of the conversation. I'm certainly willing to accept that assertion for the sake of argument. Even if I don't agree with the premise I may agree with your solution.
So it all went wrong with ME3. What went wrong, and what does Bioware need to change in future ME games to prevent it from happening again?
it is some of the worst writing I have ever seen You need to read more, friendo.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 24, 2020 8:51:51 GMT
Anybody who does not think TLOU2 is garbage from a story standpoint is just blind at this point. Mechanically? The game runs amazing and you could legitimately have fun with the game based off just the in-game mechanics alone. But the story is a jumbled piece of garbage that contradicts itself from the get-go and Ellie's entire purpose in the story and what her "antagonist" does get completely flipped and it is some of the worst writing I have ever seen. Rivalling that of ME3's ending and bits of Andromeda. I'm noticing a trend of people calling things 'bad writing' for things they just don't like.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 24, 2020 9:01:53 GMT
Anybody who does not think TLOU2 is garbage from a story standpoint is just blind at this point. Mechanically? The game runs amazing and you could legitimately have fun with the game based off just the in-game mechanics alone. But the story is a jumbled piece of garbage that contradicts itself from the get-go and Ellie's entire purpose in the story and what her "antagonist" does get completely flipped and it is some of the worst writing I have ever seen. Rivalling that of ME3's ending and bits of Andromeda. I'm noticing a trend of people calling things 'bad writing' for things they just don't like. You do tend to do that, yes.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 24, 2020 9:21:58 GMT
I'm noticing a trend of people calling things 'bad writing' for things they just don't like. You do tend to do that, yes. I feel like I'm quite measured in my criticism honestly. In particular, I've probably praised MEA and DAI as much as I've criticised them. I just don't want useless bullshit in my games. And hey 'my face is tired' is a damn good line.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 24, 2020 9:42:15 GMT
You do tend to do that, yes. I feel like I'm quite measured in my criticism honestly. In particular, I've probably praised MEA and DAI as much as I've criticised them. I just don't want useless bullshit in my games. And hey 'my face is tired' is a damn good line. I forgot the since it was mostly teasing.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 24, 2020 11:29:13 GMT
Anybody who does not think TLOU2 is garbage from a story standpoint is just blind at this point. Mechanically? The game runs amazing and you could legitimately have fun with the game based off just the in-game mechanics alone. But the story is a jumbled piece of garbage that contradicts itself from the get-go and Ellie's entire purpose in the story and what her "antagonist" does get completely flipped and it is some of the worst writing I have ever seen. Rivalling that of ME3's ending and bits of Andromeda. I'm noticing a trend of people calling things 'bad writing' for things they just don't like. Unless they’re referring to things that they don’t like because characters have to essentially betray themselves via the idiot ball to get dramatic moments rolling.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 24, 2020 13:14:05 GMT
I'm noticing a trend of people calling things 'bad writing' for things they just don't like. Unless they’re referring to things that they don’t like because characters have to essentially betray themselves via the idiot ball to get dramatic moments rolling. People who say that haven't been paying attention to the themes of the series.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 24, 2020 14:21:13 GMT
It’s not likely that BioWare would ever have the reapers play an active role in a future game again. Why are assuming I would want the reapers to have an active role? Is it because I mentioned they could be involved in any capacity? The closest I would want the reapers to have any role would be through dialogue and flashbacks.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 24, 2020 16:29:48 GMT
The tl;dr would be a whole lot. The non tl;dr would be ... we could be here all day, me writing them and you reading them. I don't think ME3 could be "fixed" per se. It would be better to chug it, in its entirety and start over. what does Bioware need to change in future ME games to prevent it from happening again? First of all, outlining choices, as well as the plot points of the trilogy beforehand, instead of winging it, Kathleen Kennedy style, would be a good idea. Not contradicting themselves, would be another. Even better if they can keep themselves from doing it in the same game. Also, trying to write characters, again, instead of pandering to demographics. I don't need to know this character has an insta, or reads fanfics, or his views on irrigation. I just don't care and I doubt anyone does. We wanna see these characters do heroic stuff, not just average stuff. I don't want to feel these people are "like me". I've done stuff in my life, not all of which I'm proud, or even comfortable sharing and probably slightly above what the average person goes through, nowadays, but that's nowhere near what I want to see. I want to see people going through Ymir mechs, that stuff is crazy and gets me hyped. Like, I gotta know more about this person. That's the kind of stuff I want to see to get me interested in Bioware's companions again. Compare Peebee's intro to that and it's just ... not interesting. Of course, not everyone needs to go through Mechs to be cool. They can fly, like Samara, or jump down from the ceiling, like Thane and knock 5 mercs out with punches. That kind of stuff.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 24, 2020 16:42:38 GMT
Unless they’re referring to things that they don’t like because characters have to essentially betray themselves via the idiot ball to get dramatic moments rolling. People who say that haven't been paying attention to the themes of the series. "What is this sacrifice bullshit ? I want to marry my love interest ! Bioware's writers sux !"
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