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Post by ClarkKent on Jul 29, 2020 20:16:10 GMT
Jacob brought us "heavy risk but the priize".
He has his place in the Mass Effect pantheon.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 29, 2020 20:23:05 GMT
Taylor will always be better than the traitor calling himself Kosta. Ironic insult considering Taylor is an actual traitor. Twice in fact. Is he? Taylor will always be better than the traitor calling himself Kosta. Jacob is better than no one. You don't agree? Deal with it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 29, 2020 20:26:33 GMT
Ironic insult considering Taylor is an actual traitor. Twice in fact. Is he? Yes. First he betrays the Alliance by joining a terrorist organization. Then he betrays that terrorist organization. And he acts completely self-righteous about it both times. At least Liam owns the fact he screwed up.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 29, 2020 20:33:41 GMT
Yes. First he betrays the Alliance by joining a terrorist organization. Then he betrays that terrorist organization. And he acts completely self-righteous about it both times. At least Liam owns the fact he screwed up. Well I do understand your point. But is it truly self righteous if one organization had red tape(Shepard doesn't count due to his spectre status; and the Council he is only answerable too) and another organization gotten themselves indoctrination. Keep in mind both System Alliance and Cerberus has a lot of baggage to give people pause if not quit.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 29, 2020 20:41:20 GMT
Yes. First he betrays the Alliance by joining a terrorist organization. Then he betrays that terrorist organization. And he acts completely self-righteous about it both times. At least Liam owns the fact he screwed up. Betraying the Alliance? I guess that means Donnelly, Daniels, Chadwas, Moreau are traitors as well. Could t'soni be included on that list? She failed to inform anyone that Shepard's body was in the hands of Cerberus. She did work with Cerberus to help recover Shepard's body, did she not? She uses the my friend card to avoid answering the question when asked. Betraying Cerberus for leaving them? It ended up working in his favor.
Kosta can own up all he wants, it still doesn't change anything. He's a troublemaker. The player learns this when he tells Ryder he's been suspended x number of times like he's proud of that. It's too bad Ryder can't ask him about that. Regardless of the answer, I would have him removed from the squad to avoid any crap. Unfortunately he's lives up to the troublemake name with the crap he did.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 29, 2020 21:16:18 GMT
But who is better is subjective. To bring this back to ME, I can say easily that overall I like the crew and squad of MEA over the Shepard Trilogy. Kallo is better than Joker, Lexi is better than Chakwas, Cora is better than Miranda, Suvi is better than anyone, and so on. Yep. The only thing in trilogy is... that its a trilogy. Theres more of character arc, but the ones we got in Andromeda are way better than in 1 and 2 already, 3 brought in more stuff and heartstring pulling. Also Jacob was never better than Liam I recently tried to play ME2 to end, I could not. Very stiff and psychopatic stuff.. Still not a bad game, just a worst of ME games, easily. Yea hthe rtilogy is a complet story Andromeda is not ye ts oi twould be unfair to judge MEA in comparisomn to ME1-3
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 29, 2020 21:17:16 GMT
Ironic insult considering Taylor is an actual traitor. Twice in fact. Is he? Jacob is better than no one. You don't agree? Deal with it. I don’t really have to deal with it. Jacob being the worst is confirmed by science. He even gets his own unique tier in any companion ranking, appropriately named “Jacob tier”.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jul 29, 2020 21:18:36 GMT
I mean, yea, Jacob is a bit of an asshole but Liam is just stupid.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 29, 2020 21:21:46 GMT
Yes. First he betrays the Alliance by joining a terrorist organization. Then he betrays that terrorist organization. And he acts completely self-righteous about it both times. At least Liam owns the fact he screwed up. I think the writers of Mass Effect should really think about how they use certain terms in their story. Throughout all of the trilogy, the only time Cerberus could ever be seen as a proper extremist group is in ME3, but that doesn’t even count because they’re either indoctrinated by the reapers, or augmented thrall soldiers. Before that, we never really see anything that suggests that they engage in actual terrorist activity. They do a lot of goofy mad science projects that gets them in hot water, but most of that stuff is largely isolated that Shepard either deals with, or they nuke from orbit just to be sure.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 29, 2020 21:23:11 GMT
I mean, yea, Jacob is a bit of an asshole but Liam is just stupid. I wish Jacob was more of an asshole. He’d actually be interesting. For the most part, he’s just an ordinary amenable guy, but he has literally nothing meaningful to say except to suggest doing something that just results in a fail state of the game lol. If you chose whatever Jacob suggested in ME2, most of the crew would die and he’d be dead along with them.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jul 29, 2020 22:15:43 GMT
Actually the one situation where I would sort of be okay with Shepard returning is if it were a prequel. A Mass Effect Zero if you will.
It could create a ton of possible continuity issues though - plus the 'remake the trilogy' crowd would get uppity so I'm not sure if I would really want that.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 29, 2020 22:43:51 GMT
Actually the one situation where I would sort of be okay with Shepard returning is if it were a prequel. A Mass Effect Zero if you will. It could create a ton of possible continuity issues though - plus the 'remake the trilogy' crowd would get uppity so I'm not sure if I would really want that. Mass Effect: Maw. 20+ hours of survival horror surviving the Thresher Maw as Lone Survivor Shepard. Toombs is your companion.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 29, 2020 23:24:15 GMT
The fact you are just saying no rather than actually having evidence shows your disagreements are just your subjective opinion. So thank you for proving my point. You know what, you are right. I am converted. ME:A was the best ME game evarrr. Now, you and I must embark on a quest together, to convince everyone else that they're wrong. What do we do now?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 29, 2020 23:28:17 GMT
Yes. First he betrays the Alliance by joining a terrorist organization. Then he betrays that terrorist organization. And he acts completely self-righteous about it both times. At least Liam owns the fact he screwed up. Well I do understand your point. But is it truly self righteous if one organization had red tape(Shepard doesn't count due to his spectre status; and the Council he is only answerable too) and another organization gotten themselves indoctrination. Keep in mind both System Alliance and Cerberus has a lot of baggage to give people pause if not quit. Yes, it is self-righteous to hold yourself above the rules and quit if you simply don't like them. That's exactly what some here are hating Liam for after doing it once and learning from it and yet when Jacob does it continually with no development apparently it's fine.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 29, 2020 23:30:59 GMT
Yes. First he betrays the Alliance by joining a terrorist organization. Then he betrays that terrorist organization. And he acts completely self-righteous about it both times. At least Liam owns the fact he screwed up. Betraying the Alliance? I guess that means Donnelly, Daniels, Chadwas, Moreau are traitors as well. Also three of them are imprisoned because of that. Joker only gets out because he was needed to work on the Normandy and was there when the Reapers attacked, and Daniels and Donnely are and stay there unless released by Shepard.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 29, 2020 23:40:00 GMT
Yes. First he betrays the Alliance by joining a terrorist organization. Then he betrays that terrorist organization. And he acts completely self-righteous about it both times. At least Liam owns the fact he screwed up. I think the writers of Mass Effect should really think about how they use certain terms in their story. Throughout all of the trilogy, the only time Cerberus could ever be seen as a proper extremist group is in ME3, but that doesn’t even count because they’re either indoctrinated by the reapers, or augmented thrall soldiers. Before that, we never really see anything that suggests that they engage in actual terrorist activity. They do a lot of goofy mad science projects that gets them in hot water, but most of that stuff is largely isolated that Shepard either deals with, or they nuke from orbit just to be sure. Murdering high-level people, using multiple human colonies as test subjects, sabotage and theft of Alliance ships and material, etc all before ME3. The fact it is dealt with later doesn't matter.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 30, 2020 0:21:53 GMT
Well I do understand your point. But is it truly self righteous if one organization had red tape(Shepard doesn't count due to his spectre status; and the Council he is only answerable too) and another organization gotten themselves indoctrination. Keep in mind both System Alliance and Cerberus has a lot of baggage to give people pause if not quit. Yes, it is self-righteous to hold yourself above the rules and quit if you simply don't like them. That's exactly what some here are hating Liam for after doing it once and learning from it and yet when Jacob does it continually with no development apparently it's fine. Kosta learning from it? haha. As many times as he was suspended, he will likely do something stupid again.
Jacob does it continually? So twice, from what you say, means continually?
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Post by Iakus on Jul 30, 2020 15:29:47 GMT
Yes. First he betrays the Alliance by joining a terrorist organization. Then he betrays that terrorist organization. And he acts completely self-righteous about it both times. At least Liam owns the fact he screwed up. I think the writers of Mass Effect should really think about how they use certain terms in their story. Throughout all of the trilogy, the only time Cerberus could ever be seen as a proper extremist group is in ME3, but that doesn’t even count because they’re either indoctrinated by the reapers, or augmented thrall soldiers. Before that, we never really see anything that suggests that they engage in actual terrorist activity. They do a lot of goofy mad science projects that gets them in hot water, but most of that stuff is largely isolated that Shepard either deals with, or they nuke from orbit just to be sure. How many soldiers did they feed to thresher maws again?
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jul 30, 2020 16:34:50 GMT
Betraying the Alliance? I guess that means Donnelly, Daniels, Chadwas, Moreau are traitors as well. Also three of them are imprisoned because of that. Joker only gets out because he was needed to work on the Normandy and was there when the Reapers attacked, and Daniels and Donnely are and stay there unless released by Shepard.
Dr. Chakwas never technically betrayed the Alliance she had got permission to be on leave to help Shepard.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 30, 2020 16:41:15 GMT
Dr. Chakwas never technically betrayed the Alliance she had got permission to be on leave to help Shepard. As had Joker, right? Do I remember it incorrectly?
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Post by AnDromedary on Jul 30, 2020 17:18:22 GMT
Dr. Chakwas never technically betrayed the Alliance she had got permission to be on leave to help Shepard. As had Joker, right? Do I remember it incorrectly? He only mentioned that he was grounded IIRC. So not clear how official his departure from the Alliance was.
But in principle, getting leave or not is not really what makes a difference here, is it? Even if you get leave or officially resign or wahtever, joining a terrorist organization would still technically be a betrayal.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 30, 2020 17:29:46 GMT
Moreau didn't give a crap about anything. He just wanted to fly. Didn't matter who he was flying for as long as he was back in a pilot seat.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 30, 2020 18:21:44 GMT
I think the writers of Mass Effect should really think about how they use certain terms in their story. Throughout all of the trilogy, the only time Cerberus could ever be seen as a proper extremist group is in ME3, but that doesn’t even count because they’re either indoctrinated by the reapers, or augmented thrall soldiers. Before that, we never really see anything that suggests that they engage in actual terrorist activity. They do a lot of goofy mad science projects that gets them in hot water, but most of that stuff is largely isolated that Shepard either deals with, or they nuke from orbit just to be sure. How many soldiers did they feed to thresher maws again? That’s not really terrorism, regardless of the ethics, or lack thereof. The biggest problem is that the Council and Alliance do not have an appropriate response to Cerberus’ presence, and the plot makes everyone extraordinarily weak in order to justify forcing us to side with them. A ship emblazoned with the Cerberus logo should have been put on lockdown, and any operatives aboard arrested (and perhaps executed). But, we gotta hang with Cerberus because The Plot is our god. Even Shepard’s involvement should not have given an ounce of legitimacy to the group in the Council or the Alliance’s eyes, considering their involvement in numerous, forcibly-applied shifts in certain high profile figures.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 30, 2020 18:24:04 GMT
Moreau didn't give a crap about anything. He just wanted to fly. Didn't matter who he was flying for as long as he was back in a pilot seat. He says this, but considering what the dialogue for everyone else was, he was probably fed the same story everyone else was, that Shepard was back and needed them for a mission.
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Post by ahglock on Jul 30, 2020 18:43:59 GMT
Yeah, there's always a bit of nostalgia involved, sure. But if I were to choose to spend my 40 hours of gameplay between Ryker and Troy or Rios and Raffi, I'd pick Ryker and Troy every time. They're better characters. And there's nothing nostalgic about the characters being just plain better. But who is better is subjective. To bring this back to ME, I can say easily that overall I like the crew and squad of MEA over the Shepard Trilogy. Kallo is better than Joker, Lexi is better than Chakwas, Cora is better than Miranda, Suvi is better than anyone, and so on. Sure it is subjective, like everything you just aid was subjectively wrong. Especially Chucky who was worse than everyone in ME OG. But, objectively we can see how many people liked the new crew. And well it wasn't many.
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