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Post by nunziodefilippis on Nov 13, 2019 7:30:05 GMT
I cannot speak to anything regarding Solas. I will simply say that Fenris is following the agenda that makes sense for Fenris. And when we meet him in this story, he is not very interested in anyone's agenda other than his own. Also I recognize the elf with Fenris. He was the one we saw like a year ago when I think some concept art of the next comic or something was teased. Good memory... though he's evolved, design-wise, since then.
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Post by Iddy on Nov 13, 2019 14:35:45 GMT
Oh! Hm... Well I was going to argue against the possibility, but it's difficult to know how Solas recruits, what he tells his agents, and what they in turn tell others. Fenris has some things going for him in this regard, however: he's intelligent, he's cautious, and he's slow to trust, all of which make him a less-than-ideal candidate for recruitment by Solas or his agents; they'll want someone who will follow blindly, and that does not describe Fenris (at this point in his life). If you just mean that, even without recruitment, Solas is taking advantage of the chaos and mage paranoia created by the Blue Wraith's activities, then that's to be expected. I would hope that any villain worth his salt would do the same; in the end, it's less work for him and means he's freer to machinate from the shadows. David Gaider once touched on this, and seemed to think Fenris could join Solas. Of course, this was after he left, so bear that in mind. But it's worth noting... CutieInk @maddie_B_Artist
@gideonemery @davidgaider So many people want to see Fenris in DA4 (including myself). How does that make you feel knowing how beloved the character is? :3 #TheDreadWolfRises #Fenris #DragonAge4 David Gaider @davidgaider
I think it's super! And considering how susceptible a certain broody elf might be to egg-related propaganda, it's an idea completely within the realm of plausibility. 😉 That's... pretty weird. As far as I remember, Fenris doesn't give two fucks about elven history.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 13, 2019 15:05:07 GMT
David Gaider once touched on this, and seemed to think Fenris could join Solas. Of course, this was after he left, so bear that in mind. But it's worth noting... CutieInk @maddie_B_Artist
@gideonemery @davidgaider So many people want to see Fenris in DA4 (including myself). How does that make you feel knowing how beloved the character is? :3 #TheDreadWolfRises #Fenris #DragonAge4 David Gaider @davidgaider
I think it's super! And considering how susceptible a certain broody elf might be to egg-related propaganda, it's an idea completely within the realm of plausibility. 😉 That's... pretty weird. As far as I remember, Fenris doesn't give two fucks about elven history. Yeah, he’s more anti-mage than pro-elf so I don’t see him being into what Solas is selling.
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 13, 2019 15:40:42 GMT
David Gaider once touched on this, and seemed to think Fenris could join Solas. Of course, this was after he left, so bear that in mind. But it's worth noting... CutieInk @maddie_B_Artist
@gideonemery @davidgaider So many people want to see Fenris in DA4 (including myself). How does that make you feel knowing how beloved the character is? :3 #TheDreadWolfRises #Fenris #DragonAge4 David Gaider @davidgaider
I think it's super! And considering how susceptible a certain broody elf might be to egg-related propaganda, it's an idea completely within the realm of plausibility. 😉 That's... pretty weird. As far as I remember, Fenris doesn't give two fucks about elven history. I think it's less about elven history per se, and more about finding common ground with an elf who freed slaves and toppled an empire of evil mage-gods. That's a foundation that can be built upon.
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Post by Iddy on Nov 13, 2019 15:54:20 GMT
That's... pretty weird. As far as I remember, Fenris doesn't give two fucks about elven history. I think it's less about elven history per se, and more about finding common ground with an elf who freed slaves and toppled an empire of evil mage-gods. That's a foundation that can be built upon. True enough. Although, it would depend on how honest Solas is gonna be about this. I'd like to think he wouldn't try to mislead the modern elves into thinking they have a place in his perfect world.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 13, 2019 17:36:03 GMT
I think it's less about elven history per se, and more about finding common ground with an elf who freed slaves and toppled an empire of evil mage-gods. That's a foundation that can be built upon. True enough. Although, it would depend on how honest Solas is gonna be about this. I'd like to think he wouldn't try to mislead the modern elves into thinking they have a place in his perfect world. Well, considering he tells a Dalish Inquisitor that their people will be wiped out means he’d have to mislead them. He is Fen’Harel the Trickster after all.
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Post by xerrai on Nov 13, 2019 18:26:09 GMT
True enough. Although, it would depend on how honest Solas is gonna be about this. I'd like to think he wouldn't try to mislead the modern elves into thinking they have a place in his perfect world. Well, considering he tells a Dalish Inquisitor that their people will be wiped out means he’d have to mislead them. He is Fen’Harel the Trickster after all. Pretty much. Even if he opts to not lie to them (i.e. telling them falsehoods), Solas will probably start using partial/technical truths. So misleading is pretty much a given. "We fight for a better world" "You fight for the People" "When this over, this world will be reborn" "You may not live to see it, but you could potentially live to find a place in the new world" I mean, I certainly can't see him outright admitting that he is Fen'Harel and that he more or less intends to reshape the world in a very literal fashion...except to perhaps his closest lieutenants and/or ancient elves.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Nov 14, 2019 9:04:55 GMT
Still maintain the only way Fenris would work for/with Solas is if he didn't know he was working for/with Solas. I can't imagine Varric hasn't warned him about Solas by this point. And he's got no reason to buy into Solas' stated plans. Regardless of his relationship with Hawke (though I'm gonna assume its friendly anyway), Fenris has non-elves he cares about and they are pretty much screwed by Solas' current plan of action. Same logic I have for why Merrill wouldn't willingly work for him right now.
EDIT: OR Fenris is infiltrating Solas' network on purpose. That's the other way I could see him working for/with Solas.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 14, 2019 9:26:30 GMT
Still maintain the only way Fenris would work for/with Solas is if he didn't know he was working for/with Solas. I can't imagine Varric hasn't warned him about Solas by this point. And he's got no reason to buy into Solas' stated plans. Regardless of his relationship with Hawke (though I'm gonna assume its friendly anyway), Fenris has non-elves he cares about and they are pretty much screwed by Solas' current plan of action. Same logic I have for why Merrill wouldn't willingly work for him right now.
EDIT: OR Fenris is infiltrating Solas' network on purpose. That's the other way I could see him working for/with Solas.
I don't see Fen'harel as being stupid enough to be duped by someone as obvious as Fenris.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Nov 14, 2019 9:30:24 GMT
Still maintain the only way Fenris would work for/with Solas is if he didn't know he was working for/with Solas. I can't imagine Varric hasn't warned him about Solas by this point. And he's got no reason to buy into Solas' stated plans. Regardless of his relationship with Hawke (though I'm gonna assume its friendly anyway), Fenris has non-elves he cares about and they are pretty much screwed by Solas' current plan of action. Same logic I have for why Merrill wouldn't willingly work for him right now.
EDIT: OR Fenris is infiltrating Solas' network on purpose. That's the other way I could see him working for/with Solas.
I don't see Fen'harel as being stupid enough to be duped by someone as obvious as Fenris. Solas, himself, no probably not. If he's smart, he'd be sure to put all of Varric's friends on a watch list. lol But the cellular nature of his organization might allow people further down the ranks to be duped by a cover of "Here is a badass elf who fights the humans and wants to free his enslaved people. That's totally what I'm in this for! He'd make a great asset!"
I'm just saying that's one of the few ways I could see Fenris knowingly "working" for Solas. I'm also not saying that it wouldn't ultimately blow up in Fenris' face. lol
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 14, 2019 17:08:45 GMT
except to perhaps his closest lieutenants and/or ancient elves I'd be curious to know how many ancient elves would support Solas's plan, regardless of their knowing his true identity. If I were in prison, and someone came to me and said, "I have a plan that will see you freed from prison, but 90% of everyone outside of prison will die," I don't know that I'd take the offer. At the very least, I wouldn't immediately jump at it and would be pissed at the person for even considering such a thing and then trying to tempt me with it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 14, 2019 19:46:22 GMT
I'd be curious to know how many ancient elves would support Solas's plan, regardless of their knowing his true identity. I'm curious to know just how many ancient elves there are out there. So far we have met Solas and the sentinels in game and Felassan in one of the novels. There are also possibly the strange elves in the Tirashan. Solas tells Abelas that there are others like him out there but it makes me wonder where exactly they have been holed up all this time. With the Deep Roads overrun by darkspawn it clearly can't be there and, apart from the Tirashan and the Arbor Wilds, there haven't been any signs of them in the remoter regions of Thedas. So it would be interesting to know where they have been hiding out. Clearly the ancient enclave in Arlathan Forest was the group that the spreading Tevinter Empire disturbed and that would seem to be the group from which modern elves descend. They were clearly pro-Evanuris and anti-Fen'Harel but it is possible that other ancients who survived the collapse of the empire would not have been too thrilled about him if the spirits in the Ancient Library are anything to go by.
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Post by Noxluxe on Nov 15, 2019 10:41:37 GMT
I can't decide if Fenris' new design makes him look more or less like a Final Fantasy character.
Regardless, it's great to see him again. Hope his characterization in the comic will be compatible with a Mage-Hawke romance in DA2.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 15, 2019 14:23:35 GMT
I can't decide if Fenris' new design makes him look more or less like a Final Fantasy character. Regardless, it's great to see him again. Hope his characterization in the comic will be compatible with a Mage-Hawke romance in DA2. The writers said they made sure to not talk about his love life so that he would be compatible with both Hawkes that romanced him and Hawkes that didn’t.
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Post by Noxluxe on Nov 15, 2019 15:20:15 GMT
The writers said they made sure to not talk about his love life so that he would be compatible with both Hawkes that romanced him and Hawkes that didn’t. That's great to hear. I was thinking more along the lines of him not being so thirsty for mage blood that a past relationship with a mage would seem plain impossible, but it's nice that they're leaving the purely romantic front ambiguous.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 15, 2019 16:23:16 GMT
The writers said they made sure to not talk about his love life so that he would be compatible with both Hawkes that romanced him and Hawkes that didn’t. That's great to hear. I was thinking more along the lines of him not being so thirsty for mage blood that a past relationship with a mage would seem plain impossible, but it's nice that they're leaving the purely romantic front ambiguous. If I recall, that front will be fine too. He’s hunting slavers, not mages. It’s just most slavers in Tevinters are mages. Considering Francesca is the main character in this story and she’s a mage, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see how he draws a distinction (he does even in DA2 after all).
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Post by nunziodefilippis on Nov 15, 2019 16:31:06 GMT
That's great to hear. I was thinking more along the lines of him not being so thirsty for mage blood that a past relationship with a mage would seem plain impossible, but it's nice that they're leaving the purely romantic front ambiguous. If I recall, that front will be fine too. He’s hunting slavers, not mages. It’s just most slavers in Tevinters are mages. Considering Francesca is the main character in this story and she’s a mage, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see how he draws a distinction (he does even in DA2 after all). We wrote him without any reference to romance, but definitely as if he stood with Hawke and his friends against the Templars in defense of the mages. But we also wrote him as if the group split up after DA II, and he was feeling a little abandoned afterwards. So we wrote him as no longer anti-mage, but definitely reeling from being alone once again. One quick point, though. Even if he stood in defense of mages in Kirkwall, it doesn't mean he has any tolerance and especially not any love for the mageocracy in Tevinter.
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Post by Noxluxe on Nov 15, 2019 17:36:54 GMT
We wrote him without any reference to romance, but definitely as if he stood with Hawke and his friends against the Templars in defense of the mages. But we also wrote him as if the group split up after DA II, and he was feeling a little abandoned afterwards. So we wrote him as no longer anti-mage, but definitely reeling from being alone once again. One quick point, though. Even if he stood in defense of mages in Kirkwall, it doesn't mean he has any tolerance and especially not any love for the mageocracy in Tevinter. Wow. Okay. Does that "definitely" mean explicit references to him defending the Kirkwall circle, or does it just mean that you've definitely written him to be capable of having defended innocent mages? I've been looking forward to a pro-templar DA2 playthrough, albeit as a mage romancing him. It never occurred to me that Fenris might show up in expanded universe material being too supportive of mages either.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 15, 2019 18:34:09 GMT
So we wrote him as no longer anti-mage, but definitely reeling from being alone once again. This even fits with a romanced Hawke considering by DAI they had effectively abandoned him (with the lame excuse they were afraid for his safety!!!!) and then if they survive the Fade they head off for Weisshaupt, still presumably without him. I could even imagine Fenris trying to make his way there but becoming side-tracked by the plight of elven (and other) slaves.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Nov 15, 2019 18:52:48 GMT
We wrote him without any reference to romance, but definitely as if he stood with Hawke and his friends against the Templars in defense of the mages. But we also wrote him as if the group split up after DA II, and he was feeling a little abandoned afterwards. So we wrote him as no longer anti-mage, but definitely reeling from being alone once again. One quick point, though. Even if he stood in defense of mages in Kirkwall, it doesn't mean he has any tolerance and especially not any love for the mageocracy in Tevinter. Wow. Okay. Does that "definitely" mean explicit references to him defending the Kirkwall circle, or does it just mean that you've definitely written him to be capable of having defended innocent mages? I've been looking forward to a pro-templar DA2 playthrough, albeit as a mage romancing him. It never occurred to me that Fenris might show up in expanded universe material being too supportive of mages either. Same question. I assume its the latter? Also "Fenris being too supportive of mages" lol
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Post by nunziodefilippis on Nov 16, 2019 0:13:56 GMT
We never reference what specifically happened in Kirkwall. But his interactions with mages are not characterized by wanting them all dead. This is a Fenris who hates the mageocracy and is wary of those who seek too much power via magic. And he loathes slavers and has been killing them.
So if your Fenris sided with mages, he will fit here. If your Fenris sided with Templars, he’ll still work - but his rage is focused on slavers to allow both versions to work.
We found that writing him as if he sided with the Templars would break anyone’s Fenris who didn’t, but writing him this way allowed both paths to work. At least, that was our plan - you’ll decide if we pulled it off to your satisfaction.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 16, 2019 1:16:50 GMT
and he was feeling a little abandoned afterwards. So we wrote him as no longer anti-mage, but definitely reeling from being alone once again. Awww... This even fits with a romanced Hawke considering by DAI they had effectively abandoned him (with the lame excuse they were afraid for his safety!!!!) Meh I don't think it's "lame." It fits well with my Hawke's canon. From a meta perspective, it's a practical choice by the devs. I don't think anyone should have expected to see any of Hawke's possible LIs. Hell, there are people right now who want cameos of all the DAI people in DA4; that's just not going to happen; it's too resource intensive for too little payoff.
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Post by Noxluxe on Nov 16, 2019 9:23:13 GMT
We never reference what specifically happened in Kirkwall. But his interactions with mages are not characterized by wanting them all dead. This is a Fenris who hates the mageocracy and is wary of those who seek too much power via magic. And he loathes slavers and has been killing them. So if your Fenris sided with mages, he will fit here. If your Fenris sided with Templars, he’ll still work - but his rage is focused on slavers to allow both versions to work. We found that writing him as if he sided with the Templars would break anyone’s Fenris who didn’t, but writing him this way allowed both paths to work. At least, that was our plan - you’ll decide if we pulled it off to your satisfaction. Thank you for that clarification, that sounds exactly appropriate.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 16, 2019 15:48:59 GMT
I don't think anyone should have expected to see any of Hawke's possible LIs I never expected to see Fenris with Hawke but just wanted a better reason why he wasn't there. Varric had already told me that if you were looking for Fenris just follow the trail of dead people. That suggested he was off doing something positive, so if Hawke had said that Fenris was off hunting down slavers (who operate outside of Tevinter as well as within) then that would have explained why he wasn't with Hawke when we met them. It was the fact that Fenris wasn't given something specific other than Hawke didn't want him to get hurt. Merrill was helping elves in Kirkwall (based off what Varric tells us); it made sense that Hawke would want Anders to stay well away from the Warden trouble bearing in mind that it involved Corypheus and Anders was technically a deserter; Isabella would have wanted to stay with her ship. Only Fenris didn't have any good reason why he was not with Hawke. Which is why I say that having him off in Tevinter hunting down slavers makes perfect sense to me whether he was in a relationship with Hawke or not.
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Post by Solas on Nov 16, 2019 18:37:29 GMT
I wonder what is the name of that bomb ass Dalish elf becuz *____*
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