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Post by burningcherry on Dec 30, 2019 13:05:28 GMT
…and W5 is awful. How to efficiently nuke it to hell depending on how the Banshees spawn? Is the "2 Engineers + 2 Ravagers" spawn worth it?
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Post by NinjaSuperiority on Dec 30, 2019 19:24:55 GMT
Sounds like no more than 7'' helpless shotgun work if you charge
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 20:50:59 GMT
Nuking on white is often situational rather than efficient since there is not an ideal position to force spawns in a specific point all the time and the map is not as small as glacier. Your choice may also depend on character + weapon combination for instance. Sometimes is faster to retreat a bit, wait for other enemies to catch up and then nuke, some other times is faster not to wait and outright kill the trash spawn without a rocket (especially with the highest dps kit like GI, GTS and DAI) hoping for good adjustments between respawns and banshees approaching you (being able to stop banshees quickly is the key part). From time to time, with very unlucky situations, nuking that trash might be your fastest choice. With practice you kind of “feel” if it is worth it or not. I don’t know If you’re asking specifically for wave 4, 5 or both since you mentioned engineers + ravagers, but as a general rule, if you are dealing with bad spawns and you’ve decided not to nuke immediately, hold the corner of win or another good spot and kill stuff till you get a decent amount of budget to nuke. Often, being patient it’s the fastest and more efficient approach despite bad luck. Having a plan on when to nuke and how much you want to nuke in a specific wave is good, but rarely everything goes your way. Take what the rng gives you, many enemies with high budget value in front of you in a wave in which you didn’t plan to nuke? Pulverize them anyway, it might be your best chance. Sometime you’re going to “waste” a rocket for an underwhelming spawn like the one you mentioned and you end up regretting it cause maybe by waiting you could have use it better, some other times you don’t even get a better chance and if you didn’t nuke right away, you’re going to regret that instead. I don’t think there is a systematic approach that always work, it’s all very situational and luck dependent. That’s my personal take on it though (from a ps3 player perspective).
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Post by burningcherry on Dec 30, 2019 21:00:12 GMT
Did something (25:20), let me upload and maybe someone will tell how bad was that.
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Post by TheNightSlasher on Dec 31, 2019 3:42:10 GMT
…and W5 is awful. How to efficiently nuke it to hell depending on how the Banshees spawn? Is the "2 Engineers + 2 Ravagers" spawn worth it? IIRC, Wave 5 doesn't have engineers. I'm assuming you meant centurions. They both have the same code word though - utter pieces of garbage, so there's some degree of similarity. As for nuking in speed runs, you should at least get one boss unit, preferably two. You can force the initial spawn in the basement area fairly reliably. I'd nuke the initial 5-enemy spawn at the start of the wave. (If it's a 3-enemy spawn, I'd be hesitant). Without AC V, I'd spend two nukes on w5 - once at the beginning and the second one depends on the context. You could get lucky if the first respawn is close to you - nuke it. Otherwise, wait for the banshees to come together (along with some other stuff, ideally) mid-way through the wave or towards the end. If you take AC V, wave 5 deserves 3 nukes. Also, what character/weapon set-up are you using?
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Post by burningcherry on Dec 31, 2019 10:28:43 GMT
…and W5 is awful. How to efficiently nuke it to hell depending on how the Banshees spawn? Is the "2 Engineers + 2 Ravagers" spawn worth it? IIRC, Wave 5 doesn't have engineers. I'm assuming you meant centurions. They both have the same code word though - utter pieces of garbage, so there's some degree of similarity. As for nuking in speed runs, you should at least get one boss unit, preferably two. You can force the initial spawn in the basement area fairly reliably. I'd nuke the initial 5-enemy spawn at the start of the wave. (If it's a 3-enemy spawn, I'd be hesitant). Without AC V, I'd spend two nukes on w5 - once at the beginning and the second one depends on the context. You could get lucky if the first respawn is close to you - nuke it. Otherwise, wait for the banshees to come together (along with some other stuff, ideally) mid-way through the wave or towards the end. If you take AC V, wave 5 deserves 3 nukes. Also, what character/weapon set-up are you using? Yes, I meant W4. I think Engineers are my second most hated unit, and it's not even about the turrets but those death stuns. Using AIU (because fuck Swarmers) and Crusader. Anyway, here it is. W3 cleanup begins at 5:18, I saw no good opportunity to nuke. W4 went nuke-less. W5 is at 9:52 and is basically a nuke shitshow. The first one was undoubtefuly good, then I was just scared of hugs from those Banshees coming from upstairs. 3 nukes. W6 cleanup: same as W3, starts at 12:43. I think the 17:05 nuke (W8) was also good. 18:03, not so much. I hoped for an Atlas kill. W9 starts at 18:23 and has 3 rather bad nukes, I think. The last one is 22:09 because I couldn't just not nuke two Banshees, right?
How do I force basement spawns?
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Post by andy_3_913 on Dec 31, 2019 10:41:01 GMT
^^^ Remind me never to try this Plat solo shit. Oh wait, I'm not going to
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Post by muahmuah on Dec 31, 2019 12:03:55 GMT
What exactly is your goal here?What kind of speedrun.Just fast or sub 20?
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Post by burningcherry on Dec 31, 2019 12:55:50 GMT
What exactly is your goal here?What kind of speedrun.Just fast or sub 20? For now, learning how to nuke. In long term and with different characters, sub 20.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 13:17:50 GMT
You can force the initial spawn in the basement area fairly reliably. I'd nuke the initial 5-enemy spawn at the start of the wave. (If it's a 3-enemy spawn, I'd be hesitant). How do I force basement spawns? Basement is in glacier though, unless you mean the interior part in the lower level, in which case, I have no idea how you do it and I’m very interested in learning it. If it can help you somehow, personally I use a position to force the first spawn in the hallway, let’s say it works 70% of the time, it’s the only one I’ve found so far aside from others positions I’ve seen in muahmuah videos. Basically, you position yourself at the start of the upper level, near the first box and you face somewhere between lz and the ladder that usually everyone uses to fall down while kiting. Wish I could post a pic or something but I don’t have access to my ps3 at the moment. Most of the time the spawn will be in the left part of the hallway, more rarely on the right, when it works of course. What exactly is your goal here?What kind of speedrun.Just fast or sub 20? For now, learning how to nuke. In long term and with different characters, sub 20. Also, if this is just for speedrun practice, I think using something easier like a GI/GTS/DAI + Venom will help you to get more confidence near annoying enemies and consequently in nuking. But now that the doc is around, I’ll just leave it to you pc mustard race guys and I show myself out before I say something really stupid. Sub20 platinum on white on console is likely not even possible anyway
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Post by muahmuah on Dec 31, 2019 13:29:10 GMT
What exactly is your goal here?What kind of speedrun.Just fast or sub 20? For now, learning how to nuke. In long term and with different characters, sub 20. Nuking is more of intuitive thing.There are some rules of course.5,8 and 9 wave are a must vs cerb,but i nuke pretty every wave if i think it will help me with the time.The clean up on 3 is another good option to save some seconds/mins,but only if the spawn is really good.Watched part of your video and you nuked two time 3 goons and a banshee.Never do it.Only in desperate cases.When the atlases aren't around just stop the bashee,kill the goons and if you can kill the banshee.Wait for the atlases.In some cases nuking depends on the chracter as well.As @scarletj5 mentioned use more OP chracter just to get used to it.AIU is not that fast killer despite the good shotgun passives and cloak bonuses.Everything comes with a practice.
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Post by antsu on Jan 1, 2020 10:17:39 GMT
Here (starting 7:35) is the answer how to nuke effectively on wave 5 by freelancer. If you wanna do a speedrun try it with DAI and GTS. muahmuah is the only one who has barely done sub 20 solo with AIU.
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Post by muahmuah on Jan 1, 2020 13:52:04 GMT
Here (starting 7:35) is the answer how to nuke effectively on wave 5 by freelancer . If you wanna do a speedrun try it with DAI and GTS. muahmuah is the only one who has barely done sub 20 solo with AIU. I don't recommend this with slow chracters tho.It's absolutelly luck based nuking .The best way is try this,but if the spawns aren't good,just stop the banshees,wait for some more nemies and then nuke.By this way you will need only two 2 rockets as well.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 1, 2020 16:42:43 GMT
Mate, u allready the second faster man with aiu, so i guess u fast enough !! ;p
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Post by burningcherry on May 16, 2020 8:22:40 GMT
Been practising W8 with QMI and it looks like I can reliably hold it without nuking or spending too much ammo. Should I still or it's better to save more nukes for Banshees?
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Post by andy_3_913 on May 16, 2020 8:48:22 GMT
Been practising W8 with QMI and it looks like I can reliably hold it without nuking or spending too much ammo. Should I still or it's better to save more nukes for Banshees? Be like me don't
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Post by muahmuah on May 16, 2020 18:43:24 GMT
Been practising W8 with QMI and it looks like I can reliably hold it without nuking or spending too much ammo. Should I still or it's better to save more nukes for Banshees? At least 1 rocket is a must on 8 wave.
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Post by burningcherry on May 16, 2020 21:14:34 GMT
Been practising W8 with QMI and it looks like I can reliably hold it without nuking or spending too much ammo. Should I still or it's better to save more nukes for Banshees? At least 1 rocket is a must on 8 wave. Then should I try to force a good spawn or wait for a better occasion? Looks like it's usually possible to get a 6-7-nuke if I slowdown bosses with TS.
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Post by muahmuah on May 16, 2020 22:14:53 GMT
At least 1 rocket is a must on 8 wave. Then should I try to force a good spawn or wait for a better occasion? Looks like it's usually possible to get a 6-7-nuke if I slowdown bosses with TS. Forcing spawns on firebase White doesn't work good,especially on 8 wave. Sometimes you can catch all of them ,but most of the time the spawns are crap. Just wait for more units
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 23:31:13 GMT
Been practising W8 with QMI and it looks like I can reliably hold it without nuking or spending too much ammo. Should I still or it's better to save more nukes for Banshees? I go back and forth on this. Can often get through W8 both quickly and comfortably without a nuke, since Phantoms are efficient at depleting the wave-budget and all the slow-moving units (Pyros, Prime, Atlas) tend to get bunched up and then utterly ruined by AoE powers/Venom/combos etc. But by the same token, the enemies get bunched up for good killstreak nukes, which speed the match along regardless of whether you used it on a wave you otherwise struggle with or not. So the way I tend to do it these days is, if I haven't gotten Targets and so I have all my nukes for normal-wave (or post-objective) killstreaks I'll nuke on w8 (twice, if possible), otherwise I'll save those nukes for W5 and W9 if I had to use 3-4 missiles on a Targets objective wave.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 23:33:49 GMT
Then should I try to force a good spawn or wait for a better occasion? Looks like it's usually possible to get a 6-7-nuke if I slowdown bosses with TS. Forcing spawns on firebase White doesn't work good,especially on 8 wave. Sometimes you can catch all of them ,but most of the time the spawns are crap. Just wait for more units Yeah its so unreliable, sometimes you get full spawns, but most of them time no.. I've learned that the hard way, definitely had ones where I came hauling ass down the stairs with my missile launcher on wave 5 or wave 9, only to realize I nuked a lone Banshee and a couple of Centurions or something shitty like that. Better to let them pile up at chokepoints, then use the nuke once you've got a good group of them.
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