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Post by Iddy on Feb 12, 2020 15:24:58 GMT
Half dwarves, half Qunari and so on.
Part of me suspects that the decision that a child conceived by a human and an elf will always be human was motivated by either laziness or lack of resources.
They didn't want to have to make hybrid character models.
But even if the "always a human" rule was extended to other races, it can't be applied to dwarf x elf or qunari x dwarf.
What happens then?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 12, 2020 15:59:33 GMT
Half dwarves are a thing, since Kieren’s father could be a dwarf.
As for Qunari hybrids, BioWare said they don’t want to commit to an answer about that yet.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 12, 2020 19:54:16 GMT
Half dwarves are a thing, since Kieren’s father could be a dwarf. As for Qunari hybrids, BioWare said they don’t want to commit to an answer about that yet. I meant a literal hybrid. Not just genetically, but physically too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 0:22:32 GMT
Half dwarves are a thing, since Kieren’s father could be a dwarf. As for Qunari hybrids, BioWare said they don’t want to commit to an answer about that yet. I meant a literal hybrid. Not just genetically, but physically too. What's the difference?
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Post by Iddy on Feb 13, 2020 11:14:16 GMT
I meant a literal hybrid. Not just genetically, but physically too. What's the difference? One shows physical traits of both races and the other only has mixed blood.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 22:26:11 GMT
Well, legend speaks of a strange mutant knowing as Nug Boy, who was born with the ears, prominent nose and beady eyes of a nug. The stories say that his mother was an especially large nug and his father was a sexual deviant who was cast out from Denerim. Nug Boy was discovered, naked and afraid, near a Deep Roads entrance in the vicinity of southern Ferelden by a kindly sage who was researching the area's fauna. Though Nug Boy is incapable of speaking the common tongue, it's said that he's able to communicate effectively through alterations in the tone of his squealing.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 14, 2020 20:08:33 GMT
Half dwarves, half Qunari and so on. Part of me suspects that the decision that a child conceived by a human and an elf will always be human was motivated by either laziness or lack of resources. They didn't want to have to make hybrid character models. But even if the "always a human" rule was extended to other races, it can't be applied to dwarf x elf or qunari x dwarf. What happens then? Okay - I'll go on a bit of a tangent that isn't targeting specifically you Iddy, it's just that I saw similar sentiment pop-up in different places at different times, and want to spare some time to address it here, given the opportunity. I'm fairly certain that there's more 'lore from adversity' (like ' we can't make qunari horns in DAO hece we made it so hornless qunari are considered special' or ' The Dragon Age Setting is actually a name of our continent now, lol') in DA than things we already know about, but do find it somewhat irksome that oftentimes story or lore that began its life that way is considered inferior, or even 'lazy'. It's ironic, because - aside from the fact that creative process is usually messier than it's commonly believed - limitations like this are some of many creators (mine included) favorite problems to solve, or in fact considered to be essential for honing creativity (example? Some of the most memorable movies, like Jaws or Star Wars, had many unique and innovative solutions because they've had to go around many technical or budgetary limitations). So let's not immediately throw the word 'laziness' or 'it's just lack of resources' around, even if something has indeed began its life as a limitation to go around that they've decided to incorporate into lore. ...With that said, I'm not sure the whole 'no discernible hybrids' began its life that way. Simply because I think they could easily get away with it - the DAO or even DAII elf and human models aren't terribly different and CC can always make the face more elf like or more human-like. If anything, this can always be spelled outright in lore, even if not through visuals. We know now, for example, that both Tevinter and elvhen architecture in DAO was actually just the same Tevene architecture, yet they've used this to their advantage when they wanted to keep things ambiguous (is it really Tevene? Or is it elvhen?) or spelled outright when they wanted to establish something as, say, elvhen. In other words - even if we assume that right now they WILL have resources to provide us with more body shapes (because I'm pretty sure that there are also more body types for each race than what we got in past games, including more slender/bulkier or curvier/thinner versions for non-mixed races) I don't think the lore will budge much from what was established already. In fact I suspect its such an integral part of story (in other words: there's more to it than a simple hand-waving of game limitation concerning body shapes) it's why we didn't yet get many answers to begin with, or why the devs are careful with answers now - and that giving us proper explanation as to why things are the way they are probably ties directly to why the world is the way it is after the lifting of the Veil and collapse of Elvenhan. In other words, they likely can't say much, because it may spoil quite a few things in the story.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Feb 26, 2020 23:25:39 GMT
Half dwarves, half Qunari and so on. Part of me suspects that the decision that a child conceived by a human and an elf will always be human was motivated by either laziness or lack of resources. They didn't want to have to make hybrid character models. But even if the "always a human" rule was extended to other races, it can't be applied to dwarf x elf or qunari x dwarf. What happens then? The rule isn't "always a human," it's "never an elf." And when the Bioware devs explained why it happened, they made it sound like it happened regardless of what the other race in question was. So that's your answer to dwarf x elf: you'd get an outwardly normal dwarf. (I think there was some speculation that that's part of what's going on with Sandal, though obviously it doesn't answer all or even most of the questions one might have about him.) As for dwarven hybrids... I can't find a source for this, so I could be entirely wrong, but I think I recall some speculation that the founder of the Ash Warriors, who was shorter than the average human but strong enough to kill a rabid dog with his bare hands at 12, was part dwarf. So, if that's true, I'd assume a half-qunari-half-dwarf would be similar: shorter than the average qunari, but also stronger.
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Post by mikoto on May 7, 2020 0:43:02 GMT
Its a curious question to be sure. Though in the case of human/dwarf pairings it does look like the resultant offspring will be human.
I base that off Kieran. In one of my seven worldstates I created a male Dwarf, Demiriz Aeducan who both romanced Morrigan and did the dark ritual with her. Then along comes DAI and Kieran looks like any other run-of-the-mill human boy. Exactly the same as he looks like in my other male Kylen Mahariel based worldstate who, although he didn't romance Morrigan (Leliana instead) he did do the dark ritual.
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Post by dayze on May 7, 2020 2:11:50 GMT
IF I had to hazard a guess; half-dwarves wouldn't look much different than many of the non-dwarven races they are mixed with.
Just a little shorter than average and excepting for the Qunari and those barbarian tribes, a little brawnier.
The half-elf in DA2 was mostly human with mildly pointy ears; he also mentioned that he always thought his elven features shown all over his face but when he lived among the Dalish he realized how human in appearance he really was.
Half-Human, Half-Qunari, aside from maybe skin color, pretty much Sten from DA:O. Similar scenario with pretty much all Half-Qunari; the exception being the Avvar pretty much being qunari with no horns as a potential parent. Not taking into account any aspects of metaphysicalness, connection to the fade, other ways having partial inheritance of dragon's blood might affect different races.
Qunari get horns; humans who do the reaver process have some odds of being crazy, didn't Cassandra have relatives who drank dragons blood and started to have scales or other physical distinctions?
Though Alistair looks fairly typical of the Human-Ferelden.
As for Kieran; he is fairly young it might ancestry might not really make itself known until puberty. Though it does fall under the possibility of laziness on the dev's part here as well. Or they had a specifically idea of what Kieran was and that was just how it was going to be; regardless of parentage.
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Post by vertigomez on May 7, 2020 12:06:44 GMT
Its a curious question to be sure. Though in the case of human/dwarf pairings it does look like the resultant offspring will be human. I base that off Kieran. In one of my seven worldstates I created a male Dwarf, Demiriz Aeducan who both romanced Morrigan and did the dark ritual with her. Then along comes DAI and Kieran looks like any other run-of-the-mill human boy. Exactly the same as he looks like in my other male Kylen Mahariel based worldstate who, although he didn't romance Morrigan (Leliana instead) he did do the dark ritual. I think Kieran just looks like that because of resources. It doesn't matter if his father was a dark-skinned dwarf or a redheaded elf or Loghain or Alistair... he's always a pale-ish brunette boy. I'm honestly surprised they didn't just go ahead and make him a mini Morrigan clone with super fair skin, golden eyes, black hair, etc. That would've been easier to handwave. Canonically, children of dwarves and humans look like stocky short humans/"tall for a dwarf". Children of elves and dwarves, or elves and humans, are just dwarves or humans with an elf parent. We don't know anything about half-qunari or if that's even possible.
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