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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 20, 2020 22:13:55 GMT
Well, that's 10 hours in and it remains a tense experience. It's enjoyable (and challenging) but it requires concentration. Certainly not 'light relief'.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 21, 2020 17:07:02 GMT
12 hours in and the tension remains intense. Nothing too controversial has happened yet. Perhaps in due course it will.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 22, 2020 5:12:05 GMT
I am glad you are liking the Last of Us Part 2, but its not a game for me. Neil Druckmann gave me a lot of concern about the game with his comments and then the general ideas from the spoilers just turned me off. I did not like the idea at the end of The Last of Us where you were in all intents and purposes forced to kill all the scientists and basing this entire game off that choice also is one of the many reasons why I wasn't probably going to get the game even if the leaks didn't happen.
As far as embargoing player reviews for two weeks if that is the case then at least in the case with The Last of Us Part 2 all the professional reviews should have been embargoed just as long for any of the reviews that were published before the release date are accurate in my opinion because Sony placed tight restrictions on what could and could not be discussed.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 22, 2020 10:37:42 GMT
And people like different things. I'll have to check what was said (and the leaks) in a week or so when I've finished. In the meantime, 14 hours in. So far so good.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 22, 2020 14:56:05 GMT
And people like different things. I'll have to check what was said (and the leaks) in a week or so when I've finished. In the meantime, 14 hours in. So far so good. Ugh, I want to ask your opinion on certain atrocities Ellie commits but can't in case you haven't reached that point yet.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 22, 2020 15:48:16 GMT
Ugh, I want to ask your opinion on certain atrocities Ellie commits but can't in case you haven't reached that point yet. I haven't seen Ellie commit any atrocities. Everyone Ellie has killed so far was very clearly out to kill her. Maybe ask me again after I've progressed some. My playthrough is at the 17 hour mark.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 22, 2020 18:37:52 GMT
Ugh, I want to ask your opinion on certain atrocities Ellie commits but can't in case you haven't reached that point yet. I haven't seen Ellie commit any atrocities. Everyone Ellie has killed so far was very clearly out to kill her. Maybe ask me again after I've progressed some. My playthrough is at the 17 hour mark. Due to the exploration in the game its probably hard to tell where you are exactly. For I have heard a lot of people say the game started to fail for them at the 10-12 hour mark and it doesn't seem you are at that story point yet. Its why talking about the game is hard for you never know exactly where another person is.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 22, 2020 20:55:36 GMT
Due to the exploration in the game its probably hard to tell where you are exactly. For I have heard a lot of people say the game started to fail for them at the 10-12 hour mark and it doesn't seem you are at that story point yet. Its why talking about the game is hard for you never know exactly where another person is. I'm around 22 hours in and have to say I'm enjoying it (using the term 'fun' is the wrong word). The images I'm dropping as I'm playing should be totally non-spoilery, but anyone who has played will know exactly where I'm up to. Oh, and a good tip for any player. Check . your . ammo . before . opening . doors ! 😛
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Post by smilesja on Jun 23, 2020 0:37:26 GMT
I am glad you are liking the Last of Us Part 2, but its not a game for me. Neil Druckmann gave me a lot of concern about the game with his comments and then the general ideas from the spoilers just turned me off. I did not like the idea at the end of The Last of Us where you were in all intents and purposes forced to kill all the scientists and basing this entire game off that choice also is one of the many reasons why I wasn't probably going to get the game even if the leaks didn't happen. As far as embargoing player reviews for two weeks if that is the case then at least in the case with The Last of Us Part 2 all the professional reviews should have been embargoed just as long for any of the reviews that were published before the release date are accurate in my opinion because Sony placed tight restrictions on what could and could not be discussed. I’m more worried for the people who like the game. I’m on the same boat as you but the over the top reaction to the game reminds of Andromeda or DA2. People are insisting that you choose a side or you’re a shill or a hater. I wish I can block the spoiler thread though.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 23, 2020 4:28:15 GMT
Playing this game has finally given me the nudge needed to drop in and say hi. I'm very far along in the game. I'd guess maybe 2/3 of the way through. I don't trust my playtime stamps because my dog ensures that half my time is spent paused. I've not really tried to verify whether it's counting those idle times. I'll pay attention next PT. Anyway, this game is phenomenal so far. I wish people weren't so hung up on the few moments that seem to be at the heart of all of their complaints. These characters and stories are really good, as expected. The people involved are generally cool people who can also be shockingly violent. They're shaped by their world, their experiences. That doesn't "make it right," so to speak; but who can judge them too harshly? This world is terrible. It's awkward talking around key plot points. I will say for Hanako Ikezawa that I've not seen Ellie commit any atrocities. She's stacked a lot of bodies, but none that didn't try to kill her first. She's the same as she's always been. I keep thinking back to the review SkillUp (is that his name?) did, referencing supposed plotholes. Maybe they're yet to come, but I've not encountered any. It's been very clean and tight. Unlike him, I'm enjoying the entire cast of the game, and enjoying the convergent storylines. Oh, well. Enough talking around the details. I'll return for some proper discussion after completing the game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 23, 2020 4:47:10 GMT
Playing this game has finally given me the nudge needed to drop in and say hi. I'm very far along in the game. I'd guess maybe 2/3 of the way through. I don't trust my playtime stamps because my dog ensures that half my time is spent paused. I've not really tried to verify whether it's counting those idle times. I'll pay attention next PT. Anyway, this game is phenomenal so far. I wish people weren't so hung up on the few moments that seem to be at the heart of all of their complaints. These characters and stories are really good, as expected. The people involved are generally cool people who can also be shockingly violent. They're shaped by their world, their experiences. That doesn't "make it right," so to speak; but who can judge them too harshly? This world is terrible. It's awkward talking around key plot points. I will say for Hanako Ikezawa that I've not seen Ellie commit any atrocities. She's stacked a lot of bodies, but none that didn't try to kill her first. She's the same as she's always been. I keep thinking back to the review SkillUp (is that his name?) did, referencing supposed plotholes. Maybe they're yet to come, but I've not encountered any. It's been very clean and tight. Unlike him, I'm enjoying the entire cast of the game, and enjoying the convergent storylines. Oh, well. Enough talking around the details. I'll return for some proper discussion after completing the game. Please don't tag me with comments like that in a thread I can't discuss them.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 23, 2020 4:52:52 GMT
Playing this game has finally given me the nudge needed to drop in and say hi. I'm very far along in the game. I'd guess maybe 2/3 of the way through. I don't trust my playtime stamps because my dog ensures that half my time is spent paused. I've not really tried to verify whether it's counting those idle times. I'll pay attention next PT. Anyway, this game is phenomenal so far. I wish people weren't so hung up on the few moments that seem to be at the heart of all of their complaints. These characters and stories are really good, as expected. The people involved are generally cool people who can also be shockingly violent. They're shaped by their world, their experiences. That doesn't "make it right," so to speak; but who can judge them too harshly? This world is terrible. It's awkward talking around key plot points. I will say for Hanako Ikezawa that I've not seen Ellie commit any atrocities. She's stacked a lot of bodies, but none that didn't try to kill her first. She's the same as she's always been. I keep thinking back to the review SkillUp (is that his name?) did, referencing supposed plotholes. Maybe they're yet to come, but I've not encountered any. It's been very clean and tight. Unlike him, I'm enjoying the entire cast of the game, and enjoying the convergent storylines. Oh, well. Enough talking around the details. I'll return for some proper discussion after completing the game. Please don't tag me with comments like that in a thread I can't discuss them. I'm not sure I understand what you mean. It's late and I'm off to bed. I'll be careful about tagging you in TLoU2 discussions until your posts indicate we can talk, at the very soonest. I'll likely not be back on until finishing the game. That may be tomorrow, at this current rate of progress. I feel like there's still a lot ahead, though, so it could be longer.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 23, 2020 4:56:16 GMT
Please don't tag me with comments like that in a thread I can't discuss them. I'm not sure I understand what you mean. It's late and I'm off to bed. I'll be careful about tagging you in TLoU2 discussions until your posts indicate we can talk, at the very soonest. I'll likely not be back on until finishing the game. That may be tomorrow, at this current rate of progress. I feel like there's still a lot ahead, though, so it could be longer. You tag me in a post where you say you don't see my position, but it's in a thread where I can't talk about it because of spoilers.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 23, 2020 5:54:37 GMT
I like the trading cards, and solving puzzles to get into locked rooms and such. Could do with less of the "mash square to not see a disgusting game over scene". Also kind of annoying that there doesn't seem to be a way to upgrade my carrying capacity, I hate leaving resources behind.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 23, 2020 8:30:31 GMT
I hate leaving resources behind. I agree. I play stealthy so my resources are usually full. So mostly I'm looking for drugs and materials. I am enjoying crawling around in the grass. It's hitting my Assassin's Creed tendencies. So far I've not been offended by Ellie's actions. Though they aren't always easy decisions.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 23, 2020 8:34:55 GMT
I hate leaving resources behind. I agree. I play stealthy so my resources are usually full. So mostly I'm looking for drugs and materials. I am enjoying crawling around in the grass. It's hitting my Assassin's Creed tendencies. So far I've not been offended by Ellie's actions. Though they aren't always easy decisions. Lol, I'm not offended either, I was expecting the enemy to be a lot more sympathetic. Whatever Ellie's personal reasons, it's hard to feel bad about wiping out the WLF when every five minutes I'm tripping over a diary entry about how much they suck.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 23, 2020 13:17:20 GMT
it's hard to feel bad about wiping out the WLF when every five minutes I'm tripping over a diary entry about how much they suck. There is an interesting internal dialogue in my head: If I could sneak through without killing anyone, should I? Or does it make more sense to eliminate everyone? Safer to be sure? And what about dogs? Dogs are nice, but in these circumstances they are the first to be introduced to my bow... (these dilemmas are in many games, they are just more visceral in this one.)
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 23, 2020 16:32:35 GMT
And people like different things. You're certainly not alone, Sofa. I posted on the spoiler thread that a buddy of mine loves the game. Took him 24 hours and he thought the storytelling was very good (even though he didn't expect much to begin with), level design phenomenal and combat challenging. I could tell he really enjoyed the game from how much he was willing to talk about it. I was so surprised too because he's NOT one who cares about a game's story much. He often skips dialogue (which is so ironic because he used to be a videogame translator, lol). So I thought, OK, he simply enjoyed the gameplay. But no, he actually enjoyed the narrative and had no issues sympathizing with the characters. He even called the narrative clever and emotionally effective and not heavy-handed at all. Keep enjoying the game! It's not for me either because of the brutal gameplay alone. But seems like the outrage is directly tied to people's opinion of Joel and their strong emotional attachment to the character and his actions in the previous game.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 23, 2020 17:09:09 GMT
Keep enjoying the game! It's not for me either because of the brutal gameplay alone. But seems like the outrage is directly tied to people's opinion of Joel and their strong emotional attachment to the character and his actions in the previous game. Yes, it's brutal, though 'in fact' no more so than many games where you kill 'enemies'. The difference is that the enemies have names and cutting throats is significantly more visceral (and gurgly). I like Joel, though he's clearly flawed. I'm sure I'm not spoiling Part II to say that Joel and his decision at the end of Part I is key to Part II. And... 24 hours in, the game has thrown an interesting curve ball. ok. rolling with it.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 24, 2020 2:41:29 GMT
Keep enjoying the game! It's not for me either because of the brutal gameplay alone. But seems like the outrage is directly tied to people's opinion of Joel and their strong emotional attachment to the character and his actions in the previous game. Yes, it's brutal, though 'in fact' no more so than many games where you kill 'enemies'. The difference is that the enemies have names and cutting throats is significantly more visceral (and gurgly). I like Joel, though he's clearly flawed. I'm sure I'm not spoiling Part II to say that Joel and his decision at the end of Part I is key to Part II. And... 24 hours in, the game has thrown an interesting curve ball. ok. rolling with it. Don’t go on YouTube it’s full conspiracy theories saying how Anita ruined the game and playing the victim when people call them out.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 24, 2020 2:52:56 GMT
Keep enjoying the game! It's not for me either because of the brutal gameplay alone. But seems like the outrage is directly tied to people's opinion of Joel and their strong emotional attachment to the character and his actions in the previous game. Yes, it's brutal, though 'in fact' no more so than many games where you kill 'enemies'. The difference is that the enemies have names and cutting throats is significantly more visceral (and gurgly). I like Joel, though he's clearly flawed. I'm sure I'm not spoiling Part II to say that Joel and his decision at the end of Part I is key to Part II. And... 24 hours in, the game has thrown an interesting curve ball. ok. rolling with it. *thinks your past some of the stuff I hated* *sees you still praising it* *steps out of reach of you*
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 24, 2020 3:53:05 GMT
Yes, it's brutal, though 'in fact' no more so than many games where you kill 'enemies'. The difference is that the enemies have names and cutting throats is significantly more visceral (and gurgly). I like Joel, though he's clearly flawed. I'm sure I'm not spoiling Part II to say that Joel and his decision at the end of Part I is key to Part II. And... 24 hours in, the game has thrown an interesting curve ball. ok. rolling with it. *thinks your past some of the stuff I hated* *sees you still praising it* *steps out of reach of you* Have you actually played and finished this game yourself, or just watched some YouTube and read some online chatter? You have zero context for the actions taken by characters if you aren't taking the journey with them. This game doesn't try to make bad things good; but it does show how decent people can stray so far from the path that they no longer recognize themselves. I can't be much more than an hour from the end, at this point. My dog is super needy, and I again spent half my playing time taking care of the little dude. It's late and everyone needs to sleep, so I'll conclude the journey tomorrow. I can say this: This game has been very, very good. It's absolutely lived up to the expectations I had for it. The leaks were a tremendous disservice to this game and its creators. So many got whipped into a frenzy without context or accurate details, and sadly fail to see the quality of the story. Games this dark and harsh aren't for everyone. This series is the only of the sort that I have ever played, and that likely won't change. They're rough. They're to experienced, rather than being something you play for fun. I find them to be experiences well worth the time, money and elevated BP invested. I decided to play on Survivor from the very beginning, as I always played TLoU on Survivor. I'm glad I did. There's so much more verisimilitude in a paucity of resources and facing serious danger from every foe. It feels like the game as it's supposed to be played, for me. I am a bit bummed that there are no trophies for Survivor, Survivor+, etc... but the tougher experience is its own reward. At least I'll have 100% unlocked and ready for Survivor+. I can only play this game so many times in a year. My skills, and Ellie's slow ass aiming, finally seemed to reach a compromise about 1/3 of the way through the game. By the time I passed the halfway, resources started to stretch longer and my health always remained full. By this late stage, now, I've seen and done too much to be fazed by anything. I'm not sure if it's fearlessness or numbness 😆, but it's bad for the fools who get in the way.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 24, 2020 4:08:33 GMT
*thinks your past some of the stuff I hated* *sees you still praising it* *steps out of reach of you* Have you actually played and finished this game yourself, or just watched some YouTube and read some online chatter? You have zero context for the actions taken by characters if you aren't taking the journey with them. This game doesn't try to make bad things good; but it does show how decent people can stray so far from the path that they no longer recognize themselves. I can't be much more than an hour from the end, at this point. My dog is super needy, and I again spent half my playing time taking care of the little dude. It's late and everyone needs to sleep, so I'll conclude the journey tomorrow. I can say this: This game has been very, very good. It's absolutely lived up to the expectations I had for it. The leaks were a tremendous disservice to this game and its creators. So many got whipped into a frenzy without context or accurate details, and sadly fail to see the quality of the story. Games this dark and harsh aren't for everyone. This series is the only of the sort that I have ever played, and that likely won't change. They're rough. They're to experienced, rather than being something you play for fun. I find them to be experiences well worth the time, money and elevated BP invested. I decided to play on Survivor from the very beginning, as I always played TLoU on Survivor. I'm glad I did. There's so much more verisimilitude in a paucity of resources and facing serious danger from every foe. It feels like the game as it's supposed to be played, for me. I am a bit bummed that there are no trophies for Survivor, Survivor+, etc... but the tougher experience is its own reward. At least I'll have 100% unlocked and ready for Survivor+. I can only play this game so many times in a year. My skills, and Ellie's slow ass aiming, finally seemed to reach a compromise about 1/3 of the way through the game. By the time I passed the halfway, resources started to stretch longer and my health always remained full. By this late stage, now, I've seen and done too much to be fazed by anything. I'm not sure if it's fearlessness or numbness 😆, but it's bad for the fools who get in the way. You realize I watched the cutscene dialogue compilation right? I have all the context. I don't criticize things I haven't researched. And many of my issues you don't even need context since those actions are unequivocally evil. The leaks were the best service, saving countless people from wasting their money on this shit.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 24, 2020 4:17:40 GMT
Have you actually played and finished this game yourself, or just watched some YouTube and read some online chatter? You have zero context for the actions taken by characters if you aren't taking the journey with them. This game doesn't try to make bad things good; but it does show how decent people can stray so far from the path that they no longer recognize themselves. I can't be much more than an hour from the end, at this point. My dog is super needy, and I again spent half my playing time taking care of the little dude. It's late and everyone needs to sleep, so I'll conclude the journey tomorrow. I can say this: This game has been very, very good. It's absolutely lived up to the expectations I had for it. The leaks were a tremendous disservice to this game and its creators. So many got whipped into a frenzy without context or accurate details, and sadly fail to see the quality of the story. Games this dark and harsh aren't for everyone. This series is the only of the sort that I have ever played, and that likely won't change. They're rough. They're to experienced, rather than being something you play for fun. I find them to be experiences well worth the time, money and elevated BP invested. I decided to play on Survivor from the very beginning, as I always played TLoU on Survivor. I'm glad I did. There's so much more verisimilitude in a paucity of resources and facing serious danger from every foe. It feels like the game as it's supposed to be played, for me. I am a bit bummed that there are no trophies for Survivor, Survivor+, etc... but the tougher experience is its own reward. At least I'll have 100% unlocked and ready for Survivor+. I can only play this game so many times in a year. My skills, and Ellie's slow ass aiming, finally seemed to reach a compromise about 1/3 of the way through the game. By the time I passed the halfway, resources started to stretch longer and my health always remained full. By this late stage, now, I've seen and done too much to be fazed by anything. I'm not sure if it's fearlessness or numbness 😆, but it's bad for the fools who get in the way. You realize I watched the cutscene dialogue compilation right? I have all the context. I don't criticize things I haven't researched. And many of my issues you don't even need context since those actions are unequivocally evil. The leaks were the best service, saving countless people from wasting their money on this shit. Yeah, I could tell you watched vids and read some stuff. That's why you lack context. There is hours of character development not included in cutscenes. That's the journey, and how you get to know the characters. Again, no one is saying all of the actions taken in the game are close to good acts. Actually, it's precisely the opposite point being made. Still, aside from going on a mad quest, I've not seen Ellie do anything that could be termed unequivocally evil. One thing was pretty rough, but entirely in character and on task. People were going to get hurt in this game. She's given people chances, and they've chosen not to take them. Honestly, I'd not have expected this game to interest you, anyway. I'm surprised to see you here slumming it with us maniacs. (I jest.) Still, if its "shit" best left unplanned, what are you looking for here? Are you taking note of who enjoys it to put us on your list of degenerates?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 24, 2020 4:20:34 GMT
You realize I watched the cutscene dialogue compilation right? I have all the context. I don't criticize things I haven't researched. And many of my issues you don't even need context since those actions are unequivocally evil. The leaks were the best service, saving countless people from wasting their money on this shit. Yeah, I could tell you watched vids and read some stuff. That's why you lack context. Again, no one is saying all of the actions taken in the game are close to good acts. Actually, its precisely the opposite point being made. Still, aside from going on a mad quest, I've not seen Ellie do anything that could be termed unequivocally evil. One thing was pretty rough, but entirely in character and on task. People were going to get hurt in this game. She's given people chances, and they've chosen not to take them. Honestly, I'd not have expected this game to interest you, anyway. I'm surprised to see you here slumming it with us maniacs. (I jest.) Screw it, I know this thread is no spoilers but everyone just avoid the box: Oh yeah, things like brutally beating an unarmed woman to death and of course killing a pregnant woman are totally morally grey acts.
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