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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 14, 2020 19:11:31 GMT
People need to remember that certain publishers and devs have become media darlings. Nintendo, Rockstar, Naughty Dog, and most definitely Sony. Their exclusives always seem to get the kid glove treatment. In fact I wonder of it all has something to do with exclusive titles. I'm not hating on the game here but I wouldn't be surprised to see a far different user score. Especially after seeing Skill Up's review, who for my money does the best reviews on Youtube. You mean user scores being plastered by zeroes due to the "trans" character. Oh I'm already bracing for TLOU2 to be be rated around 1/10 on the user score metacritic. Not for that reason, but because what the leaks have shown so far it absolutely deserves a 1/10.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 14, 2020 19:23:15 GMT
You mean user scores being plastered by zeroes due to the "trans" character. Oh I'm already bracing for TLOU2 to be be rated around 1/10 on the user score metacritic. Not for that reason, but because what the leaks have shown so far it absolutely deserves a 1/10. To you, but I do wonder what will happen to people who genuinely believe the game was good.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 14, 2020 20:18:45 GMT
You mean user scores being plastered by zeroes due to the "trans" character. Oh I'm already bracing for TLOU2 to be be rated around 1/10 on the user score metacritic. Not for that reason, but because what the leaks have shown so far it absolutely deserves a 1/10. Play the game first, Greg Miller was spoiled and he still liked. Context is key. It has been confirmed that there are fake leaks mixed with the real ones, and according to ND the ending hasn't been leaked.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 14, 2020 20:27:00 GMT
Not for that reason, but because what the leaks have shown so far it absolutely deserves a 1/10. To you, but I do wonder what will happen to people who genuinely believe the game was good. Oh they'll be called a shill.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 14, 2020 20:47:20 GMT
Not for that reason, but because what the leaks have shown so far it absolutely deserves a 1/10. Play the game first, Greg Miller was spoiled and he still liked. Context is key. It has been confirmed that there are fake leaks mixed with the real ones, and according to ND the ending hasn't been leaked. That would involve buying it, in which case my opinion afterwards would be irrelevant since they got what they wanted. Honestly I hate the defense of "just buy it". Who? And of course ND would say that, and he should totally be trusted as a nonbiased source since he isn't at all affected by the outcome. And we now have leaks of gameplay as shared yesterday that if anything shows the leaks were right. Not me mention all the curious word choices from the reviewers and devs. They all know. They're just trying to fool others so they get money.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 14, 2020 21:01:15 GMT
Play the game first, Greg Miller was spoiled and he still liked. Context is key. It has been confirmed that there are fake leaks mixed with the real ones, and according to ND the ending hasn't been leaked. That would involve buying it, in which case my opinion afterwards would be irrelevant since they got what they wanted. Honestly I hate the defense of "just buy it". Who? And of course ND would say that, and he should totally be trusted as a nonbiased source since he isn't at all affected by the outcome. And we now have leaks of gameplay as shared yesterday that if anything shows the leaks were right. Not me mention all the curious word choices from the reviewers and devs. They all know. They're just trying to fool others so they get money. Then don't speak on the leaks if you were never planning on buying it in the first place. Well, I don't go into a fandom, say X is garbage and while never have played X or watched Y.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 14, 2020 21:02:44 GMT
Play the game first, Greg Miller was spoiled and he still liked. Context is key. It has been confirmed that there are fake leaks mixed with the real ones, and according to ND the ending hasn't been leaked. That would involve buying it, in which case my opinion afterwards would be irrelevant since they got what they wanted. Honestly I hate the defense of "just buy it". Who? And of course ND would say that, and he should totally be trusted as a nonbiased source since he isn't at all affected by the outcome. And we now have leaks of gameplay as shared yesterday that if anything shows the leaks were right. Not me mention all the curious word choices from the reviewers and devs. They all know. They're just trying to fool others so they get money. I mean just go on Youtube and check out a walkthrough with no commentary and decide for yourself.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 14, 2020 22:26:54 GMT
Just because there are 10/10 reviews, doesn't necessarily mean it's "bought and paid for" are you going to be suspicious if they had 1/10? Just read the reviews that you trust plus watch gameplay walkthroughs on Youtube (preferably without commentary so you can get close to the full experience) and judge for yourself. Don't be so beholden to what these game reviewers whether they're "professional" or Youtubers tell you. Look at the information and judge for yourself. Definitely! A 1/10 is complete bullshit 99.9% of the time. Imo any game rated lower than, say, five needs to have serious technical issues on top of not being somebody's cup of tea. I would not even rate Anthem at launch a 1/10. Not even close. A 10/10 is totally fine. It's when 90% of the prerelease reviews are 100 scores that I get suspicious. Especially when reviews are not allowed to talk about half of the game and only show certain parts of the game. Come on! At best it means Sony expects SOME level of backlash against the narrative. Whether or not that backlash is warranted is another question. But Bethesda got cagey with their no return policy for FO76 too. The writing was on the wall there. You don't do shit like that unless you have something to hide. Anybody remember S1 of True Detective where the creator went online before the final episode to tell people not to expect too much? LOL! He basically said that the ending would suck but they tried their best and please don't be mad. The ending did suck... Sometimes people just know that the final product is not as great as they wished. You can either accept that and be open about what your product is and isn't. Or you can try to hide it and still make bank. Sometimes backlash is completely unexpected. In neither case should anybody be crucified, of course. Plenty of time after release to get a proper picture. Most bad purchases are on the consumer imo. Which doesn't mean I defend scummy business practices. But I advocate consumer agency rather than naively hoping a company does you right. Being uninformed and crying about it is childish. Even if I owned a PS3 at the time I wouldn't have bought TLOU due to the unappealing gameplay. So when Skill Up says it's a lot more of the same, that's a no for me regardless of narrative issues. Anyway, a lot of good AND bad reviews are bought. That's a thing and not a conspiracy theory. People get paid to write reviews. Discerning which ones are bought is the tricky part that nobody can prove. So that's an argument that cannot be won. So, "seems iffy" is my opinion in this particular case. I'm not saying I'm right because I can't know.
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Post by formerfiend on Jun 15, 2020 1:47:25 GMT
I don't think many if any professional reviewers are getting checks from developers for good reviews.
I do think that video game publishers look at video game media as an arm of their marketing department, and that access is at least partly contingent on positive press, and the games journalists know this.
I also think that there is a divide between critics & general audiences in terms of their impressions on any form of media that critics try and downplay, so some people in journalism are going to have a genuinely positive take on that an audience member may have a genuinely negative take on, and vise versa.
And I also think that while the content of the leaks shows that some people will have legitimate reason to negatively review the game, a not-insignificant contingent will be doing it because of their disapproval of any LGBTQ content & would review bomb it based on that regardless of actual quality. I honestly think it's unfortunate that any legitimate negative criticism of the game will likely be brushed aside & any negative reaction will be blamed on homophobic or transphobic bigotry preventing a more meaningful discussion regarding the seemingly apparent failures in basic story telling, but those elements are undeniably part of the backlash.
I haven't made any decisions on whether or not to get the game myself yet. Game play being "more of the same" is a turn off for me because I found TLOU's gameplay to be tedious on top of not really liking the characters or story. Gameplay footage I've seen honestly looks better but I also haven't seen any gameplay footage of having to deal with the infected which was the part I actually couldn't stand.
Some of the more negative reviews I've heard have pointed to the story "being about hate & the cycle of violence" but not doing anything or exploring that idea, which, that's a problem.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 15, 2020 2:17:08 GMT
How about... just don't read reviews? I almost never read reviews until after I've already played or at least started the game in question.
Reviewers aren't special. They're not more qualified to give their opinions than anyone else.
That said, review controversy is the only reason I'm getting TLOU2 in the first place, so... guess it worked this time?
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Post by river82 on Jun 15, 2020 3:23:11 GMT
How about... just don't read reviews? I almost never read reviews until after I've already played or at least started the game in question. Reviewers aren't special. They're not more qualified to give their opinions than anyone else. That said, review controversy is the only reason I'm getting TLOU2 in the first place, so... guess it worked this time? Getting opinions from people you trust or those with similar likes to you is important because at the end of the day, most people either don't have the time or the money to be trying every game that piques their interest. Which is why media by gamers aimed at gamers is important - the gaming media is often out of touch with what the community looks for. Film critics are probably the worst but gaming critics are also right up there. There's often a disconnect. But that's understandable, some of the time people write reviews who are often not gamers (looks at Cuphead reviewer) and other times game reviewers have to review and play so many games that the ones which shake up the formula offer a much welcomed breath of fresh air (although the person working 9-7 who just wants to come home and relax might be looking for different things)
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Post by river82 on Jun 15, 2020 3:26:33 GMT
SkillUp/Layman Gaming show the importance of gamers making their own media. Review by gamers for gamers. Nice vid You mean gamers who they agree with. I used to think that as well, but these Youtuber gamers seek to divide and attack others who don't agree them. Not necessary Skillup but others. And for crying out loud just because they give a game 10/10 doesn't make them shills. Are you guys going to call anyone who gives it a 0 haters? Or this just applies to games you guys don't like? I have no idea what you're talking about. Did I call anyone a hater ever? I like the Witcher 3 but did I call everyone who doesn't like it a hater? Can you show me where? You seem to have this vendetta against all YouTube reviews but it doesn't apply to SkillUps review. His are often comprehensive and targeted at things gamers actually look for, like enemies magically lining themselves up for headshots, the clunkiness of the shooting system, and the gameyness of guards walking around in 10 meter patrol patterns, that dodging felt like a QTE the player must pass instead of just another part of combat and it helped show me that this core gameplay loop may not actually hold up for the entire game. Especially with them focusing more on it in TloU2. 10/10 game btw...
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 15, 2020 4:04:44 GMT
How about... just don't read reviews? I almost never read reviews until after I've already played or at least started the game in question. Reviewers aren't special. They're not more qualified to give their opinions than anyone else. That said, review controversy is the only reason I'm getting TLOU2 in the first place, so... guess it worked this time? Getting opinions from people you trust or those with similar likes to you is important because at the end of the day, most people either don't have the time or the money to be trying every game that piques their interest. Which is why media by gamers aimed at gamers is important - the gaming media is often out of touch with what the community looks for. Film critics are probably the worst but gaming critics are also right up there. There's often a disconnect. But that's understandable, some of the time people write reviews who are often not gamers (looks at Cuphead reviewer) and other times game reviewers have to review and play so many games that the ones which shake up the formula offer a much welcomed breath of fresh air (although the person working 9-7 who just wants to come home and relax might be looking for different things) I really think that an adult who works 9-7 should know their own taste and interests well enough by that point in life that they should be able to tell whether or not a product is really for them. But by all means read reviews if you find them helpful. I have no skin in this game. Personally, I find that what a game tells me about itself through advertising, developer interviews, etc is far more useful than what I get from a review. Especially when there's a big focus on graphical fidelity, which is not a priority for me. I also think it's ridiculous to claim that reviewers are bribed. The relationship between reviewers and developers/publishers is problematic enough without baseless conspiracy theories. Their entire job relies on maintaining a good relationship, some level of bias is unavoidable.
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Post by river82 on Jun 15, 2020 4:19:20 GMT
Personally, I find that what a game tells me about itself through advertising, developer interviews, etc is far more useful than what I get from a review. This is 100% the problem. I agree with you to a certain extent, what I get from developer interviews etc is pretty much just as useful as a normal review. If I were to go to Gamespot or IGN or … I dunno, which sites do the youngsters go to these days? Anyway their reviews are usually so superficial they don't tell me anything about the game. But if someone were to look at World of Warcraft because it's an MMO and they like MMOs I would tell them that the current iteration of the game revolves mostly around the endless gear treadmill you get on once hitting max level, where you are expected to grind 4+ systems constantly, some of those systems being time gated behind other collection systems artificially extending your play time. So to grind corruption on your gear you need to grind items called Coalescing Visions, once you spend a week grinding that you have the opportunity to take part in an activity to upgrade your cloak (another grind) which will increase your corruption resistance allowing higher item level corruption equipment to be worn improving your power. This is just one system you grind, there's also essences, your necklace and 1 or two other things. You need to do all these things so you can raid and dungeon. This is what the current version of World of Warcraft is about and it's the reason why the game is considered currently in its worst ever state. If I were to pick up Gamespot would I get this information?
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Post by smilesja on Jun 15, 2020 4:22:27 GMT
You mean gamers who they agree with. I used to think that as well, but these Youtuber gamers seek to divide and attack others who don't agree them. Not necessary Skillup but others. And for crying out loud just because they give a game 10/10 doesn't make them shills. Are you guys going to call anyone who gives it a 0 haters? Or this just applies to games you guys don't like? I have no idea what you're talking about. Did I call anyone a hater ever? I like the Witcher 3 but did I call everyone who doesn't like it a hater? Can you show me where? You seem to have this vendetta against all YouTube reviews but it doesn't apply to SkillUps review. His are often comprehensive and targeted at things gamers actually look for, like enemies magically lining themselves up for headshots, the clunkiness of the shooting system, and the gameyness of guards walking around in 10 meter patrol patterns, that dodging felt like a QTE the player must pass instead of just another part of combat and it helped show me that this core gameplay loop may not actually hold up for the entire game. Especially with them focusing more on it in TloU2. 10/10 game btw... It's not necessarily you but you honestly think Youtubers are fair and balanced? Not really, some of them like to divide and some of them have an agenda just like these "game journalists".
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Post by river82 on Jun 15, 2020 4:26:12 GMT
I have no idea what you're talking about. Did I call anyone a hater ever? I like the Witcher 3 but did I call everyone who doesn't like it a hater? Can you show me where? You seem to have this vendetta against all YouTube reviews but it doesn't apply to SkillUps review. His are often comprehensive and targeted at things gamers actually look for, like enemies magically lining themselves up for headshots, the clunkiness of the shooting system, and the gameyness of guards walking around in 10 meter patrol patterns, that dodging felt like a QTE the player must pass instead of just another part of combat and it helped show me that this core gameplay loop may not actually hold up for the entire game. Especially with them focusing more on it in TloU2. 10/10 game btw... It's not necessarily you but you honestly think Youtubers are fair and balanced? Not really, some of them like to divide and some of them have an agenda just like these "game journalists". SkillUp is not one of these. And I didn't mention Youtubers, I said his review shows the importance of gamers making their own media. Reviews by gamers for gamers.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 15, 2020 5:04:01 GMT
Personally, I find that what a game tells me about itself through advertising, developer interviews, etc is far more useful than what I get from a review. This is 100% the problem. I agree with you to a certain extent, what I get from developer interviews etc is pretty much just as useful as a normal review. If I were to go to Gamespot or IGN or … I dunno, which sites do the youngsters go to these days? Anyway their reviews are usually so superficial they don't tell me anything about the game. But if someone were to look at World of Warcraft because it's an MMO and they like MMOs I would tell them that the current iteration of the game revolves mostly around the endless gear treadmill you get on once hitting max level, where you are expected to grind 4+ systems constantly, some of those systems being time gated behind other collection systems artificially extending your play time. So to grind corruption on your gear you need to grind items called Coalescing Visions, once you spend a week grinding that you have the opportunity to take part in an activity to upgrade your cloak (another grind) which will increase your corruption resistance allowing higher item level corruption equipment to be worn improving your power. This is just one system you grind, there's also essences, your necklace and 1 or two other things. You need to do all these things so you can raid and dungeon. This is what the current version of World of Warcraft is about and it's the reason why the game is considered currently in its worst ever state. If I were to pick up Gamespot would I get this information? I genuinely cannot answer that, because I don't follow what's going on in WoW, nor do I read Gamespot. Literally the only reviewer I follow is Zero Punctuation, because I find the style amusing. I don't allow it to impact my decisions (which is easy cause if I was going to buy a game, I usually already have it or have even played through quite a chunk of it before he posts a review). But your post is also an example of why I don't find reviews helpful. It tells me that YOU don't like WoW, certainly, you did a great job of making it sound unpleasant. But it doesn't tell me if I would like it, or if anyone else would like it. The only MMO I ever tried is FF XIV, and I found it dull and very grind-y from the word go, so I rather assume that anyone who's stuck with WoW up to this point must enjoy grinding, because otherwise... what the fuck? But the way you talk about it, ie, "considered currently in its worst ever state" implies a majority opinion in your favour, even though you haven't actually said who else considers it. And WoW continues to be the most-played game in its particular genre, despite many competitors over the years, so how do we rationalise that, if so many people apparently agree with you that it sucks? Also, when I say reviewers are inherently biased, I am including the reviewers that YOU like. You may consider them to be "gamers doing it for other gamers", but anyone who recieves an advance copy of a game, *automatically* has a questionable relationship with the publisher. Not to mention, audience expectations also create an inherent bias. Someone who cultivated an audience by being angry and heavily critical, for instance, now risks losing viewers if they decide to praise a game or developer. There are lots of considerations that go into the creation of content for your consumption, particularly on Youtube, which exploits an appearance of authenticity *specifically to advertise to you more effectively*. The reviewers you like aren't pure and free of bias. No one is.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 15, 2020 11:27:22 GMT
Getting opinions from people you trust or those with similar likes to you is important because at the end of the day, most people either don't have the time or the money to be trying every game that piques their interest. Which is why media by gamers aimed at gamers is important - the gaming media is often out of touch with what the community looks for. Film critics are probably the worst but gaming critics are also right up there. There's often a disconnect. But that's understandable, some of the time people write reviews who are often not gamers (looks at Cuphead reviewer) and other times game reviewers have to review and play so many games that the ones which shake up the formula offer a much welcomed breath of fresh air (although the person working 9-7 who just wants to come home and relax might be looking for different things) I really think that an adult who works 9-7 should know their own taste and interests well enough by that point in life that they should be able to tell whether or not a product is really for them. But by all means read reviews if you find them helpful. I have no skin in this game. Personally, I find that what a game tells me about itself through advertising, developer interviews, etc is far more useful than what I get from a review. Especially when there's a big focus on graphical fidelity, which is not a priority for me. I also think it's ridiculous to claim that reviewers are bribed. The relationship between reviewers and developers/publishers is problematic enough without baseless conspiracy theories. Their entire job relies on maintaining a good relationship, some level of bias is unavoidable. I don't believe that a game will market itself to tell you everything you need to know about the game to make an informed decision, I don't have a lot of spare time anymore so my game purchasing is much smaller then in the past. Even looking at other games released recently Final Fantasy VII Remake I think shows how they can try and trick or "subvert" your expectations of what a game is about. The whole twist about Remake really annoyed me for the way they talked and marketed the game made me think I was going to get the Final Fantasy VII game I remember instead of them being coy with the use of the word Remake and made the game into something I won't be buying further episodes of (well won't buy at all, a buddy loaned me his copy). Even going to the next step of just leaving information out, look at the restrictions on reviewers for The Last of Us 2. There are vast chunks of the game they are not allowed to talk about if they wanted to and frankly if they are putting those kind of restrictions on the game I wouldn't have the trust on the developer or publisher not to hide things away to be a secret to be explored. Another take is the tone for The Last of Us 2, I was expecting a brutal tone to the game, but when multiple reviewers have talked about how the game was merciless that they wanted to stop playing the game and not finish it I doubt that is something they would advertise about the game. I get what you are saying, but I think just guessing that a game is going to be for you based on PR materials designed to sell you on the game isn't going to give everyone the picture they want to know about the game. I do see you said that you said go ahead if they help you read them, but just trying to give some context on why I think they are.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Jun 15, 2020 12:18:22 GMT
ngl, memes that were born thanks to the launch of TLOU2 are exquisite bigot sandwich FTW I don't owe PS, so I watched TLOU on youtube- like a movie/ It still left an impression on me, a strong one. Music, narrative, characters, setting- everything worked together and in the end, a unique and beautiful piece of art was made. I will surely watch TLOU2 as I did with the first part. Perhaps my opinion will change once I will see the whole picture, who knows? But for now (I watched 3 hours leak and spoilers) it seems like such a shame. Was lead writer changed after the first part? There has to be some explanation as to why the game changed narrative so much.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 15, 2020 12:24:25 GMT
I really think that an adult who works 9-7 should know their own taste and interests well enough by that point in life that they should be able to tell whether or not a product is really for them. But by all means read reviews if you find them helpful. I have no skin in this game. Personally, I find that what a game tells me about itself through advertising, developer interviews, etc is far more useful than what I get from a review. Especially when there's a big focus on graphical fidelity, which is not a priority for me. I also think it's ridiculous to claim that reviewers are bribed. The relationship between reviewers and developers/publishers is problematic enough without baseless conspiracy theories. Their entire job relies on maintaining a good relationship, some level of bias is unavoidable. I don't believe that a game will market itself to tell you everything you need to know about the game to make an informed decision, I don't have a lot of spare time anymore so my game purchasing is much smaller then in the past. Even looking at other games released recently Final Fantasy VII Remake I think shows how they can try and trick or "subvert" your expectations of what a game is about. The whole twist about Remake really annoyed me for the way they talked and marketed the game made me think I was going to get the Final Fantasy VII game I remember instead of them being coy with the use of the word Remake and made the game into something I won't be buying further episodes of (well won't buy at all, a buddy loaned me his copy). Even going to the next step of just leaving information out, look at the restrictions on reviewers for The Last of Us 2. There are vast chunks of the game they are not allowed to talk about if they wanted to and frankly if they are putting those kind of restrictions on the game I wouldn't have the trust on the developer or publisher not to hide things away to be a secret to be explored. Another take is the tone for The Last of Us 2, I was expecting a brutal tone to the game, but when multiple reviewers have talked about how the game was merciless that they wanted to stop playing the game and not finish it I doubt that is something they would advertise about the game. I get what you are saying, but I think just guessing that a game is going to be for you based on PR materials designed to sell you on the game isn't going to give everyone the picture they want to know about the game. I do see you said that you said go ahead if they help you read them, but just trying to give some context on why I think they are. Well for people who feel that surprise twists/reveals near the end of a game are enough to ruin it retroactively, the only way a review is going to help you with that particular problem is by spoiling the entire plot, which, generally speaking, folks don't like, so you've got yourself coming and going here. FF VII Remake is a perfect case in point. Reviewers can't explain the changes to the plot in any meaningful detail without utterly spoiling the ending, which pisses off every prospective player who doesn't think like you. Even without strict review embargos, I seriously doubt most professional reviewers were going to spoil any details about TLOU2. It would hugely piss off players and the publisher simultaneously. And to be perfectly fair, there are lots of reasons to not want an ending spoiled that go well beyond "they want to trick me into buying something I'll hate". There's a reason it's considered bad manners to spoil things. No sane publisher would sink the millions of dollars it takes to make a video game into something they thought the public at large would hate.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 15, 2020 12:36:37 GMT
I don't believe that a game will market itself to tell you everything you need to know about the game to make an informed decision, I don't have a lot of spare time anymore so my game purchasing is much smaller then in the past. Even looking at other games released recently Final Fantasy VII Remake I think shows how they can try and trick or "subvert" your expectations of what a game is about. The whole twist about Remake really annoyed me for the way they talked and marketed the game made me think I was going to get the Final Fantasy VII game I remember instead of them being coy with the use of the word Remake and made the game into something I won't be buying further episodes of (well won't buy at all, a buddy loaned me his copy). Even going to the next step of just leaving information out, look at the restrictions on reviewers for The Last of Us 2. There are vast chunks of the game they are not allowed to talk about if they wanted to and frankly if they are putting those kind of restrictions on the game I wouldn't have the trust on the developer or publisher not to hide things away to be a secret to be explored. Another take is the tone for The Last of Us 2, I was expecting a brutal tone to the game, but when multiple reviewers have talked about how the game was merciless that they wanted to stop playing the game and not finish it I doubt that is something they would advertise about the game. I get what you are saying, but I think just guessing that a game is going to be for you based on PR materials designed to sell you on the game isn't going to give everyone the picture they want to know about the game. I do see you said that you said go ahead if they help you read them, but just trying to give some context on why I think they are. Well for people who feel that surprise twists/reveals near the end of a game are enough to ruin it retroactively, the only way a review is going to help you with that particular problem is by spoiling the entire plot, which, generally speaking, folks don't like, so you've got yourself coming and going here. FF VII Remake is a perfect case in point. Reviewers can't explain the changes to the plot in any meaningful detail without utterly spoiling the ending, which pisses off every prospective player who doesn't think like you. Even without strict review embargos, I seriously doubt most professional reviewers were going to spoil any details about TLOU2. It would hugely piss off players and the publisher simultaneously. And to be perfectly fair, there are lots of reasons to not want an ending spoiled that go well beyond "they want to trick me into buying something I'll hate". There's a reason it's considered bad manners to spoil things. No sane publisher would sink the millions of dollars it takes to make a video game into something they thought the public at large would hate. I am not asking to be told what happens in the game, but the context within the game. Going back to Final Fantasy VII Remake, I don't want to know what is going on in the game, but I want to be told the developers intention with the word Remake since they are not using it in the sense that people were in some ways led to believe. So being completely vague while telling us that the game isn't a true remake due to changes to the story I think would have better prepared or set my expectations of what the game was. I was expecting one thing with the game and they gave me something different. With The Last of Us 2 I wouldn't want them to tell me the ending either, but the reviewers I follow wouldn't go into spoiler territory. What I would want is them to be able to touch on the themes and issues they had during the 40-50% of the game they are not talked about which they have done in many other reviews without directly spoiling anything.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 15, 2020 12:42:38 GMT
I think there's much to be said for finding out what happens in a game: Not - By reading leaks on the internet
- By having the developer tease it to death
- By having spoilery thumbnails shared on Twitter or YouTube
If the developer's reputation is good (it is) and the game follows an excellent 'Part 1' (it was) Then I've seeing very little risk in jumping in and playing the game without any pre-amble.
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Post by river82 on Jun 15, 2020 13:43:58 GMT
I think there's much to be said for finding out what happens in a game: Not - By reading leaks on the internet
- By having the developer tease it to death
- By having spoilery thumbnails shared on Twitter or YouTube
If the developer's reputation is good (it is) and the game follows an excellent 'Part 1' (it was) Then I've seeing very little risk in jumping in and playing the game without any pre-amble. I stopped doing that a long time ago. Dragon Age 2 completely changed everything about the game from Dragon Age Origins. Not saying that Dragon Age 2 wasn't a good game, to many people it's excellent, but there was nothing left of what excited me about Origins in Dragon Age 2. Final Fantasy X-2 was completely different to Final Fantasy X, and speaking of which I believe Lightning returns and XIII-2 was quite to completely different to 13. Tales of Zestiria was flat out terrible. Prince of Persia the Forgotten Sands. Xenosaga 2. Chrono Cross. Diablo 3 is loved by many but very different to Diablo 2, to the point where fans of the traditional Diablo get their fix with Path of Exile. Valkyria Chronicles 2 butchered many of the things which made the original so great, to the point they wound back those decisions in number 3. Buying things blind is a mugs game. I just don't have the time anymore. There's almost as many disappointments as good buys. But I'm VERY plugged into the RPG community so I tend to get all the information I need about games before making an informed choice. But that's a personal thing, others may feel differently *shrugs*
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 15, 2020 13:56:34 GMT
Buying things blind is a mugs game. I respect that perspective. Though the truth is that the game would have to be a serious turkey for me not to enjoy it and there's no indication of that from the reviews. Sure, there are games that didn't work out as I expected, but there are precious few I didn't get my money's worth from. It's been a long year, empty of games. With: - The Last of Us II
- Ghost of Tsushima
- Cyberpunk
- Watch Dogs Legion
- Assassin's Creed Valhalla
- and more...
Dropping in the next 6 months, I'm ready to feast...
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 15, 2020 17:29:24 GMT
I think there's much to be said for finding out what happens in a game: Not - By reading leaks on the internet
- By having the developer tease it to death
- By having spoilery thumbnails shared on Twitter or YouTube
If the developer's reputation is good (it is) and the game follows an excellent 'Part 1' (it was) Then I've seeing very little risk in jumping in and playing the game without any pre-amble. I don't think a lot of people that care about the reputation of a company hold Naughty Dog as high as it was before. Even before the leaks I was unsure what kind of game this would be due to the behind the scenes drama at the studio from how Amy Hennig was forced out, a reported 70% employee turnover, or Neil Druckmann's comments about the game itself. Those things alone gave me pause about how good The Last of Us Part 2 was going to be (or any other Naughty Dog game that might be released in the near future). There has been enough things said in the reviews I follow that really haven't told me about things directly in the game, but have given me enough information that I am pretty sure I rather just go do something else. If you can solely rely upon your own judgement which I do for PC games I am glad, but right now I need reviews and other media to allow me to know what I am getting into.
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