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Post by themikefest on May 8, 2020 17:25:10 GMT
In any case, I was wondering if you could shed some light on this.... Here's what is said about the Reds.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 8, 2020 17:30:12 GMT
Thanks Mike
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Post by garrusfan1 on May 9, 2020 11:57:56 GMT
As soon as I saw that this video was two hours I said nope.
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Post by cloud9 on May 9, 2020 17:45:39 GMT
As soon as I saw that this video was two hours I said nope. Your loss.
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Post by cloud9 on May 9, 2020 17:47:07 GMT
I can understand why he despises the Human Reaper boss battle. It's simply because the entire plot of Collectors kidnapping humans, because they want to build a Reaper did not connect, affect, or plan for the arrival of the Reapers. Which makes Mass Effect 2 really pointless. It could have, if Bioware wanted to. But ultimately, they decided that none of that was of any importance. None of this was any importance to begin with.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 9, 2020 23:13:30 GMT
None of this was any importance to begin with. Well, ultimately true. Sad, but true.
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Post by alanc9 on May 9, 2020 23:33:38 GMT
As soon as I saw that this video was two hours I said nope. Your loss. He kept the two hours.That's a win in my book.
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Post by cloud9 on May 11, 2020 20:17:21 GMT
None of this was any importance to begin with. Well, ultimately true. Sad, but true. I mean, has anyone on BioWare played their own games?
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 11, 2020 20:21:38 GMT
I mean, has anyone on BioWare played their own games? It was true for Anthem, wasn't it? Like, it shipped and nobody had played the finished game.
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Post by cloud9 on May 11, 2020 20:23:52 GMT
Do you know how much I care? Then why are you even here?
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Post by fchopin on May 11, 2020 23:04:20 GMT
I watched about 2 minutes of the video and that enough for me.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 12, 2020 15:19:22 GMT
Terrible way to start if the name of the topic is "Everything Wrong with..." Sometime in the future it won't be Star Wars fans that hate Star Wars the most. Their hate won't be comparable to Bioware fans I mean, sure, it's only been less than ten years since ME3 was released but hey, maybe in this new version they can include not just improve graphics but also expand on the character creation options (I know this was an issue for many people that came from ME1 and ME2), perhaps they can add new content or even expand on the one we already have. In terms of DLC I always loved Leviathan and Citadel but had a bit of an issue with Omega, which I found somewhat lackluster. There, isn't that more productive than just saying everything is going to be wrong ?
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Post by cloud9 on May 12, 2020 20:48:05 GMT
Terrible way to start if the name of the topic is "Everything Wrong with..." Sometime in the future it won't be Star Wars fans that hate Star Wars the most. Their hate won't be comparable to Bioware fans I mean, sure, it's only been less than ten years since ME3 was released but hey, maybe in this new version they can include not just improve graphics but also expand on the character creation options (I know this was an issue for many people that came from ME1 and ME2), perhaps they can add new content or even expand on the one we already have. In terms of DLC I always loved Leviathan and Citadel but had a bit of an issue with Omega, which I found somewhat lackluster. There, isn't that more productive than just saying everything is going to be wrong ? There are valid criticism of Mass Effect 3 and the Trilogy for that matter. Because they're are a lot of inconsistencies of storytelling, and a lot of plotholes that doesn't add up to anything. That's why the Trilogy needs a remake to fix those problems and the ending.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 12, 2020 20:52:29 GMT
There are valid criticism of Mass Effect 3 and the Trilogy for that matter. Because they're are a lot of inconsistencies of storytelling, and a lot of plotholes that doesn't add up to anything. That's why the Trilogy needs a remake to fix those problems and the ending. Of course there are. But it's one thing to make those criticisms and another to demand changes for a game that none of us made.
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Post by cloud9 on May 12, 2020 21:46:02 GMT
There are valid criticism of Mass Effect 3 and the Trilogy for that matter. Because they're are a lot of inconsistencies of storytelling, and a lot of plotholes that doesn't add up to anything. That's why the Trilogy needs a remake to fix those problems and the ending. Of course there are. But it's one thing to make those criticisms and another to demand changes for a game that none of us made. Or for them to improve their writing.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 12, 2020 22:14:35 GMT
Of course there are. But it's one thing to make those criticisms and another to demand changes for a game that none of us made. Or for them to improve their writing. A very valid criticism, but again, it's different from demanding them to change a story that's already been told. I think everyone can perfectly say that they didn't like the ending of the trilogy. I think that's fair and within everyone's rights... but it's a whole 'nother ballgame to think the developers have a duty to change the game. That's not fair at all.
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Post by cloud9 on May 12, 2020 22:50:36 GMT
Or for them to improve their writing. A very valid criticism, but again, it's different from demanding them to change a story that's already been told. I think everyone can perfectly say that they didn't like the ending of the trilogy. I think that's fair and within everyone's rights... but it's a whole 'nother ballgame to think the developers have a duty to change the game. That's not fair at all. Then how are they going to move Mass Effect series forward if the writing is inconsistent and flawed to begin with?
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 12, 2020 23:25:47 GMT
A very valid criticism, but again, it's different from demanding them to change a story that's already been told. I think everyone can perfectly say that they didn't like the ending of the trilogy. I think that's fair and within everyone's rights... but it's a whole 'nother ballgame to think the developers have a duty to change the game. That's not fair at all. Then how are they going to move Mass Effect series forward if the writing is inconsistent and flawed to begin with? That's up to them, not to us. Our job is to either buy / don't buy or criticize as much as we can, not to make demands out of the developers.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 12, 2020 23:44:25 GMT
A very valid criticism, but again, it's different from demanding them to change a story that's already been told. I think everyone can perfectly say that they didn't like the ending of the trilogy. I think that's fair and within everyone's rights... but it's a whole 'nother ballgame to think the developers have a duty to change the game. That's not fair at all. I think that's very fair. Inconsistent writing, logical fallacies, plotholes etc. that all lead to wildly different outcomes, from what would be logically expected should not be commended, nor tolerated. It breaks immersion, suspension of disbelief and, most importantly, the setting itself. The crucible itself, as it is portrayed in the final discussions with the Starkid, is lore breaking. Especially with its ability to create synthesis between organics and synthetics. If Starkid is such a supreme intelligence, why couldn't it think of the Crucible itself? Since the Crucible can create Synthesis, there is no reason to perform the culling of the cycle. If it isn't as smart, then it undermines the "beyond your comprehension" line, or outright contradicts it, since a mere organic could come up with a better, bloodless solution, to the cycle. If the Starkid doesn't care about Synthesis, hence why it never bothered developing it, then it is malevolent and should be destroyed, rendering the very choice of anything other than Destroy pointless. But if it is malevolent, then it has no reason to be truthful to you, about the operation of the Crucible. Meaning that it can't be trusted if it speaks to you, but it has even less reason to speak to you at all. Considering how the Reapers are winning the battle outside, neither does it have any incentive to talk to you, unless to fuck you over. The Starkid, under mere superficial examination, makes no sense as a being and even less so as an intelligence. It is contradictory to its own existence, as portrayed. If this were a movie or, worse, a book, it would have been picked apart so bad, the writer involved would have spent the rest of their life flipping burgers for Wendy's. For example, Bioware's last book, before ME3, Deception, was recalled and would be re-released with corrections, because it was so inconsistent, with so many jarring fallacies. Why would ME3 get a pass, because it's a video game? Because it's expensive? Furthermore, in spite of Bioware promising the book would be rewritten, with corrections, it has yet to be released in a correct form. Bioware are still not being held accountable.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 13, 2020 0:13:09 GMT
If this were a movie or, worse, a book, it would have been picked apart so bad, the writer involved would have spent the rest of their life flipping burgers for Wendy's. You know what sirpetrakus ? I think all of the criticisms you've mentioned could very well be discussed without any problem whatsoever. That bit I'm quoting however, is rather mean spirited, to say the least. People that work "flipping burgers at Wendy's" are not lesser people, and it's not okay to for anyone to compare them as if they were so. You want to discuss all the things you disliked about ME3 ? That's fine, but there's no need for comments of that kind.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 13, 2020 1:44:29 GMT
You know what sirpetrakus ? I think all of the criticisms you've mentioned could very well be discussed without any problem whatsoever. That bit I'm quoting however, is rather mean spirited, to say the least. People that work "flipping burgers at Wendy's" are not lesser people, and it's not okay to for anyone to compare them as if they were so. You want to discuss all the things you disliked about ME3 ? That's fine, but there's no need for comments of that kind. I'm not saying this to be mean. I'm simply saying they'd be kicked out of the industry they wanted to get into, writing books and with no other specialized skills, they'd be relegated to manual labour. Nothing wrong with it. I've done it. I've worked fields, shoveled shit, joined the military, you name it. I know how hard work it is and I did it from straight out of school, to my mid-late twenties. It's far harder than writing a book and it pays less. Ideally, as a writer, you don't want flipping burgers at Wendy's to be a career choice for life. Things could have gone far better, if you simply hadn't fucked up.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 13, 2020 2:26:31 GMT
I'm not saying this to be mean. I'm simply saying they'd be kicked out of the industry they wanted to get into, writing books and with no other specialized skills, they'd be relegated to manual labour. Nothing wrong with it. I've done it. I've worked fields, shoveled shit, joined the military, you name it. I know how hard work it is and I did it from straight out of school, to my mid-late twenties. It's far harder than writing a book and it pays less. Ideally, as a writer, you don't want flipping burgers at Wendy's to be a career choice for life. Things could have gone far better, if you simply hadn't fucked up. You kinda said it again... but let's move on. Even then I'm still confused, why weren't these people "relegated to manual labor" ? I wonder. I mean, how exactly did they even get to write at one of the most prestigious computer role playing development houses in the world if they were so bad to begin with ? I wonder.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 13, 2020 3:39:45 GMT
I'm not saying this to be mean. I'm simply saying they'd be kicked out of the industry they wanted to get into, writing books and with no other specialized skills, they'd be relegated to manual labour. Nothing wrong with it. I've done it. I've worked fields, shoveled shit, joined the military, you name it. I know how hard work it is and I did it from straight out of school, to my mid-late twenties. It's far harder than writing a book and it pays less. Ideally, as a writer, you don't want flipping burgers at Wendy's to be a career choice for life. Things could have gone far better, if you simply hadn't fucked up. You kinda said it again... but let's move on. Even then I'm still confused, why weren't these people "relegated to manual labor" ? I wonder. I mean, how exactly did they even get to write at one of the most prestigious computer role playing development houses in the world if they were so bad to begin with ? I wonder.
It really comes down to video games and the expectations that generally come with it. The general audience's, I'm sure, is typically much lower than it would be for passive media like movies, TV and books, because unlike a game, there's no level of engagement beyond the fixed story presented by the writer(s). If a story beat doesn't make sense, you don't have fun interactive play to compensate. These guys managed to put together a very engaging product, with characters we like, and interactive mechanics that are entertaining. Even in the best BioWare games, we can easily breeze through scenes or dialogue that we would've turned our noses up at if it was a scene in a TV show. Heck, Saren's proof of guilt would never fly in any movie, book or series. We'd sit there thinking how dumb it all was. Yet, in the game, it'll do.
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Post by cloud9 on May 13, 2020 6:43:48 GMT
Then how are they going to move Mass Effect series forward if the writing is inconsistent and flawed to begin with? That's up to them, not to us. Our job is to either buy / don't buy or criticize as much as we can, not to make demands out of the developers. Then how are they're going to improve if they don't listen to criticism? And if the product is faulty and defective, the customer would never buy it. And they rather go to someone else who can make a high quality product.
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Post by cloud9 on May 13, 2020 6:45:52 GMT
A very valid criticism, but again, it's different from demanding them to change a story that's already been told. I think everyone can perfectly say that they didn't like the ending of the trilogy. I think that's fair and within everyone's rights... but it's a whole 'nother ballgame to think the developers have a duty to change the game. That's not fair at all. I think that's very fair. Inconsistent writing, logical fallacies, plotholes etc. that all lead to wildly different outcomes, from what would be logically expected should not be commended, nor tolerated. It breaks immersion, suspension of disbelief and, most importantly, the setting itself. The crucible itself, as it is portrayed in the final discussions with the Starkid, is lore breaking. Especially with its ability to create synthesis between organics and synthetics. If Starkid is such a supreme intelligence, why couldn't it think of the Crucible itself? Since the Crucible can create Synthesis, there is no reason to perform the culling of the cycle. If it isn't as smart, then it undermines the "beyond your comprehension" line, or outright contradicts it, since a mere organic could come up with a better, bloodless solution, to the cycle. If the Starkid doesn't care about Synthesis, hence why it never bothered developing it, then it is malevolent and should be destroyed, rendering the very choice of anything other than Destroy pointless. But if it is malevolent, then it has no reason to be truthful to you, about the operation of the Crucible. Meaning that it can't be trusted if it speaks to you, but it has even less reason to speak to you at all. Considering how the Reapers are winning the battle outside, neither does it have any incentive to talk to you, unless to fuck you over. The Starkid, under mere superficial examination, makes no sense as a being and even less so as an intelligence. It is contradictory to its own existence, as portrayed. If this were a movie or, worse, a book, it would have been picked apart so bad, the writer involved would have spent the rest of their life flipping burgers for Wendy's. For example, Bioware's last book, before ME3, Deception, was recalled and would be re-released with corrections, because it was so inconsistent, with so many jarring fallacies. Why would ME3 get a pass, because it's a video game? Because it's expensive? Furthermore, in spite of Bioware promising the book would be rewritten, with corrections, it has yet to be released in a correct form. Bioware are still not being held accountable. Couldn't said it better myself.
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