Everything Wrong With Mass Effect 3 Redux by GCN

Insulting people is a great way to win them over. Maybe they have self reflected and came to the same conclusion; Bioware fucked up.


So they shouldn't expect a good game? I don't understand what this is trying to convey.


No. People laughed and ridiculed Bioware and ME:A. At least, I laughed. I had a ton of fun with ME:A's release. For all the wrong reasons Bioware wanted me to, but hey, it worked. Judging from the vast library of memes it produced, lots of people had a good laugh with ME:A as well. So you can say something, but it doesn't make it true. I have yet to see what you describe from Andromeda's critics. Unless criticism is now pissing and moaning. I guess we're not allowed to criticize then? Should we give Bioware a pass for effort, every time? How about DICE and their botched launches for Battlefield V and Battlefront II? It's OK to monetize your game to unplayability, DICE. Gold star.


The ME2 is still, by far, the best received crew in the franchise, whether you fall in that group or not and in spite of how much you loved the Andromeda crew, they were, by far, the least well received in the franchise so far. And, as I've said before, they are wildly popular, within a very small fanbase that is unable to sustain ME in its market segment. Just like Ms. Marvel. And didn't I just hear? Ms. Marvel's latest run has been "delayed" indefinitely, most likely canceled, as she is no longer listed in the post-covid Marvel lineup of books, alongside the much advertised new warriors. So what is this, the 5th time Kamala Khan gets canceled in 8 years? Super successful you guys. Kamala Khan effect going strong.



Good. Good for you. Really happy for you.


Thanks. I try. Can't take all the credit. Bioware has been making it really easy, since 2011. I've been a fan of Bioware since 1998. Seeing them as they are today really hurts, for a multitude of reasons.


Good for you, but thank you, I have as much interest in touching Andromeda, as I have touching ME3. Not that much. I'd give it another shot, but I'd have to care to give it another shot. And so far nobody has managed that, least of all Bioware and EA.


Does it matter? A critical failure is still a critical failure. If Bioware wants to salvage it, they'll have to do something really drastic. I've said it before that Andromeda 2 won't be it, but Bioware are still free not to listen to me and go forward with it. For me, it'll be just one more time that I'm proven right, though I'd rather not.


I never said you did. Still, that they made a game in 18 months means nothing, if figuratively nobody likes the game. And I did say "figuratively". I know some people liked the game, but it was majorly buried by players and reviewers alike. So again, the game could be made in 6 months, for all people could care, but that doesn't mean that people will like the game. The time frame is irrelevant to the result.


Which CoD boycott was it? Modern Warfare 2? That went great, right? The entire boycott group had bought the game on day 1. No, it doesn't work.


I think the reviews were harsh, but fair. No use giving devs passes for participation.


Listen to whoever you want. Andromeda had a mixed reception, according to Metacritic, so I'm sure you'll find an equal amount of reviewers who praised it. If it were a better game, then there would be fewer reviewers criticizing it. Like I said; harsh, but fair.


I'm glad we agree on the boygott thing. But basically telling people not to buy something, is calling for a boycott.



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I'd say Bioware needed a wake up call.


So MEA should get equal treatment to any game that released in its state? I don't understand your point here. I think it got reviewed as well as it should. Player reviews were much, much more harsh and less forgiving. If not trusting specific reviewers, at least the Metacritic average should be indicative of the game's overall quality. Unless, of course, we are only allowed to praise Bioware.


People will criticize and make fun of whatever they want. It's Bioware's job to make a game that is ... what was it they reportedly said with Anthem? "Unmemeable"? Something like that? If Bioware made people fall in love with Andromeda, its initial sales would still have suffered, due to ME3's brand damage, but it would have perhaps earned some legs. They didn't. It's all there is to it.

Exactly.

You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make them drink it.

People have been predicting the death of Bioware ever since they teamed up with EA. That was thirteen years ago, and they're still here.

It's my understanding that finding ways to monetize games is seen as nickel and diming by the community.

Well, we've got exactly two data points there. I'm not sure what the takeaway is from Anthem besides "don't make Anthem." ME:A, yeah, there are some things to be learned. I don't think DA4 sales projections are going to assume that it will be as screwed-up as either of the last two games; if EA thought that, they'd have outright shuttered Bio already.

I think the community's learned not to make too much of a fuss over DLCs by now, yeah. It's not like a cosmetic DLC actually takes away from content that we'd prefer. Cancelling the ME2 appearance packs doesn't free up anything like enough zots to make another Arrival.

(I just realized that I'm not sure if I own the ME appearance packs or not. I guess they were in the bundles.)

There's not nearly enough of a market for all these games. While ME3MP is technically alive, it is no longer that huge revenue stream it used to be. The Battlefield/Battlefront games failed on their monetization fronts, EA's biggest hit in years was Fallen Order, a single player only game with no MTX and the other "good" hit has been Apex Legends, a F2P battle royal game that makes its money entirely from the grace of its community. It's good money. It's really good money. But it's the only game EA has of its kind. Outside of sports games. EA has had a string of failures. Or, if you don't like "failures", at the very least, misses.

There is a market for it, but it doesn't seem to be as big as EA would like it to be.

It's not 2012 anymore, so it's not as active. That's true of anything.

Absolutely. But the fanbase didn't move over to the ME:A MP, in order for the revenue stream to continue. At least, it wasn't there in the numbers Bioware and EA would have wanted. And while ME:A MP may be good, it may be great even, of all the people I've talked to, the answer to why they didn't jump to the ME:A MP was that it just wasn't the same. Granted, I don't really know what that means, since I am not a fan of the MP, probably wouldn't be able to understand, even if people told me, but I don't have to be the one that knows what that means. All that I need to know is that it isn't the same and people didn't follow over.


Not necessarily. Final Fantasy XIV has been out since 2010 and it's now bigger than ever. Granted, it is still supported, unlike ME:A MP, but ME:A MP was never a breakout hit, to begin with.

-But SirP, neither was FFXIV
True. But it wasn't a long time endeavor of the publisher, with a great amount of resources poured in and a vastly dissatisfied fanbase behind it, whose reaction to said would damage the brand to a degree that Square Enix thought non viable. Which is kind of the opposite reaction of what Bioware had, when one of their games came under similar fire. Hell, when any of their games since DA2 came under similar fire. Square Enix recognized the brand damage a bad public reception of one of their games would cause, but we have forum members here that still decry there's such a thing as brand damage.

Do you want them to do well ? Or do you just want to troll on a forum   ?