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Post by SomberXIII on Apr 22, 2020 10:09:15 GMT
A video nitpicking The Witcher 3 now that would be fun.
I wish more people would criticize the combat. God I hate it lol This! Just to irk cloud9sumthin guy. Jokes aside. Does he even have a life other than nitpicking about Bioware games and repeatedly creating questionable threads just to argue.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 22, 2020 11:34:48 GMT
I wish more people would criticize the combat. God I hate it lol This! Just to irk cloud9sumthin guy. Jokes aside. Does he even have a life other than nitpicking about Bioware games and repeatedly creating questionable threads just to argue. Probably taken up by spamming other forums with YT links about stuff that's 8 years old.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 22, 2020 11:37:41 GMT
In spite of whatever supposed 'flaws' people nit-pick and dig to find and then blow up (such as all of those found in videos like the one that has begun this argument)....In my opinion, while I admit freely that no game is ever "absolutely perfect"....the ME Trilogy is still the best series I've ever played. And Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 are hands-down the best games I've ever played regardless of genre.
And yet if I am going to answer honestly... If I were asked to pick something, anything, about one, any or all of the games that I didn't like, it would be the clunky Inventory System from ME 1 and the Planet Scanning from ME 2 (as both are tedious). But I recognize that each thing has its place within the respective game; there is a reason why the Devs implemented each thing the way they did. For example, the Inventory System and breaking down of components hearkens back to old-school RPGs. A very categorical and structured system. And the planet scanning from ME 2 was a new way to introduce that same component-- instead of breaking down weapons into elements to be repurposed, you would scan planets for the raw elements. Something fresh and new, sounded like a good idea at the time. But my dislike and lack of enjoyment of those elements does not detract from my enthusiasm and over all enjoyment or praise of the individual games or the trilogy as a whole.
We all have games that are "our favourite games" for many different reasons. I love Mass Effect for the story and the characters, some people love the Witcher series for the combat or vast exploration and freedom, many people love STAR CRAFT or Command & Conquer for the strategy and tactics, while others love PvP style games like Fortnite or APEX Legends for the challenge and frenetic pacing of that gaming genre. I think that's great.
But I don't think (and this speaks to the larger Gaming Community on the World Wide Web) people need to post videos about "EVERYTHING WRONG with...... (*Insert Game Title*)" or "Reasons why *Insert Title* is a BAD GAME" as if A) they're opinion is the only opinion of said titles that matters and/or B --That because they're opinion is the only opinion that matters, other people should agree with them and therefore stay away from buying/playing said title and/or C "If you buy or play said title, you're not a true Gamer". If you don't like a game (for whatever reason) that's fine. But that's your business.
Personally, I don't like BIOSHOCK because I was very easily frustrated with it and had a tarnished experience because of my frustration. Does that mean it's a "horrible game"? Absolutely not. I know a great many people who have said that is a very good game for many reasons. I just didn't stick with it long enough to give myself the opportunity to find that out for myself, and at this point I am willing to accept that. But that does not mean, nor does it give me the right to post an hours-long video of all the things wrong with BIOSHOCK and why I thought it was a horrible game and to tell other people not to buy it.
That is one thing that I really don't like about Youtube in recent years, it seems to have given people a license to feel entitled and a microphone to make themselves heard, entitled to spout their opinion and medium or tool that would make their voice the loudest among all others. And this is true not just about the topic or world or genre or community of Gaming/Gamers, but for many things. Well, pretty much all things. However, I recognize that my first strategy for combating that element is to simply stay away from any videos of that nature. Give myself guidelines or personal rules. For example, I know someone who if they go on youtube for whatever reason.....one thing they absolutely will not do is read the Comments below about the video, whatever it is. They just don't do it, and that's fine. That's a personal rule they have set for themselves. And in this matter, for me personally....I am going to stay away from videos of this nature in the future.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 22, 2020 11:53:02 GMT
A video nitpicking The Witcher 3 now that would be fun.
Here's one.
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Post by Serza on Apr 22, 2020 11:55:14 GMT
A video nitpicking The Witcher 3 now that would be fun.
I saw very recently someone say that Witcher is about screwing witches. Sorry... Sorceresses.
To be fair, we were comparing it to Kingdom Come and why so few people drop out of KCD early before they get to the meat while they love the Witcher.
We came to the conclusions that in the first 20 minutes, you have a completely actionpacked cutscene, half-naked Yennefer and some combat, after which you have two characters talking about a dream including half-naked Yennefer, fighting, a short horse ride and you fight a Griffin. Meanwhile in KCD the first real fight you get into is like three or four hours into the game, and you only see a naked woman after like twelve, if you do a certain sidequest...
So, the conclusion was that people wanted instant gratification and were unwilling to work through early game to see if their liked KCD's more involved and tactical combat more than Witcher's fast paced, more stabby and slashy but inevitably less tactically complex combat. Naked women obviously aside.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 22, 2020 12:10:43 GMT
In spite of whatever supposed 'flaws' people nit-pick and dig to find and then blow up (such as all of those found in videos like the one that has begun ths argument)....In my opinion, while I admit freely that no game is ever "absolutely perfect"....the ME Trilogy is still the best series I've ever played. And Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 are hands-down the best games I've ever played regardless of genre. And honestly, if Iwere asked to pick something, anything, about one of that I didn't like, it would be the clunky Inventory System from ME 1 and the Planet Scanning from ME 2 (as both are tedious). But I recognize that each thing has its place within the respective game; there is a reason why the Devs implemented each thing the way they did. And my dislike and lack of enjoyment of those elements does not detract from my enthusiasm and over all enjoyment or praise of the individual games or the trilogy as a whole.Agreed. I cannot think of many games that people rate highly that would stand under the scrutiny of something like a video like this. I am to the point where I think people will look for any little mistake BioWare makes while letting other developers off the hook for their issues. The other thing of course is frankly most games out there have the story depth of a puddle.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 22, 2020 12:40:49 GMT
A video nitpicking The Witcher 3 now that would be fun.
I saw very recently someone say that Witcher is about screwing witches. Sorry... Sorceresses.
To be fair, we were comparing it to Kingdom Come and why so few people drop out of KCD early before they get to the meat while they love the Witcher.
We came to the conclusions that in the first 20 minutes, you have a completely actionpacked cutscene, half-naked Yennefer and some combat, after which you have two characters talking about a dream including half-naked Yennefer, fighting, a short horse ride and you fight a Griffin. Meanwhile in KCD the first real fight you get into is like three or four hours into the game, and you only see a naked woman after like twelve, if you do a certain sidequest...
So, the conclusion was that people wanted instant gratification and were unwilling to work through early game to see if their liked KCD's more involved and tactical combat more than Witcher's fast paced, more stabby and slashy but inevitably less tactically complex combat. Naked women obviously aside.
IIRC you mostly see half naked Geralt in the beginning of The Witcher 3, Yen is there for maybe 5 second. When you get to the Griffin fight you might as well be 5-10 hours in and during that time you mostly see everyday life of a shithole village and fight some monsters outside of it while doing mostly dialogue/investigation based quests. No tits, no cutscenes etc. In KCD about 30 minutes in your family gets slaughtered in front of you (along with the whole village and everyone you know) and while escaping you might prevent a rape on your friend (or not), get wounded and chased by a group of Cumans with deadly intentions. I really don't think that seeing a women in her underwear for 5 seconds beats what KCD has to offer in the very beginning. AFAIK most people who gave up on KCD didn't like being unable to save game whenever they wish, having to eat and sleep and being shit at combat in the beginning. KCD also had an incredible amount of bugs and was poorly optimised, even for todays standards. Great game though. As for the OP - Gaming Sins videos are made for entertainment and controversy, but they certainly aren't about constructive criticism.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Apr 22, 2020 13:03:48 GMT
Didn't they? The Thanix Cannon was reverse-engineered from the wreckage, and the Citadel Archives make it plaing that Sovereign was not actually believe to be a geth warship; that was merely a cover story. The latter is arguably a retcon, though. Well, crashing into the atmosphere isn't necessarily going to do that much damage to Shepard's corpse. The SR-1's velocity relative to Alchera is anything Bio wants it to be, and a freefall from that altitude wouldn't burn Shepard up or anything; the reason orbital spacecraft need heat shields is that they have to move fast relative to the planet. Hitting the ground at 100 MPH or thereabouts can be handwaved away as another triumph of mass effect engineering. Note that the SR-1 doesn't langd on Eden PRim, and nobody's wearing a parachute when they exit the ship. Still a dopey idea,though. If they created Thanix Cannons from the debris from Sovereign, why they haven't used those cannons AGAINST the Reapers, instead of building a crucible with a Deus Ex Machina plot device in the first place? They could be used that against them, and they don't even have to build the Crucible if they could use the cannons. And it doesn't officially confirm by writers how Shepard's body survived from impact. And you realize that the body will disintegrate when crashing into a planet from outer space, right? Come on, man. Use your critical thinking skills. Perhaps you forgot about the Thanix cannons being used to carve up a Collector ship.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 22, 2020 13:57:03 GMT
Fpr starting this whole argument. It seems the post I made through lighter fluid on an already intense flame Bad bunny, that's a bad bunny! 😤
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Post by Phantom on Apr 22, 2020 14:59:03 GMT
Fpr starting this whole argument. It seems the post I made through lighter fluid on an already intense flame Bad bunny, that's a bad bunny! 😤 well we have set a good example and help fan the flames. so we can make popcorn for this thread.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 22, 2020 15:06:33 GMT
Bad bunny, that's a bad bunny! 😤 well we have set a good example and help fan the flames. so we can make popcorn for this thread. And beer, don't forget the beer. 😉
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 15:09:50 GMT
Bioware fans have been left in the dust of bitter disappointment for decades, over the years there are always bioware fans left in bitter disappointment. Who cares if a couple more get disappointed? They can take a number and get in line with all the others. No one cares about disappointed fans until "you" are the one who might actually get disappointed for once. The "super fans" think their needs take priority over everyone else's. Without them, and not catering to their needs, Bioware wouldn't exist, they claim. They are the self-proclaimed "majority" of Bioware's customer base, so they better damn well listen and cater their games to them, they demand.
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Post by Phantom on Apr 22, 2020 15:16:32 GMT
well we have set a good example and help fan the flames. so we can make popcorn for this thread. And beer, don't forget the beer. 😉 beer and other drinks would be good to have
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Post by slimgrin727 on Apr 22, 2020 15:20:58 GMT
The video is nitpicky but damn it's crazy how many inconsistencies there are in the lore and plot holes in the story. Tons of fuck ups in the codex as well. Bioware didn't do themselves any favors by getting off track with the Collectors.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 22, 2020 16:12:17 GMT
Fpr starting this whole argument. It seems the post I made through lighter fluid on an already intense flame Bad bunny, that's a bad bunny! 😤 *Bunny puffs out his chest, stomps his foot a few times beating the ground and bangs his drum loudly in a brief display of defiance
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 22, 2020 16:17:32 GMT
The video is nitpicky but damn it's crazy how many inconsistencies there are in the lore and plot holes in the story. Tons of fuck ups in the codex as well. Bioware didn't do themselves any favors by getting off track with the Collectors. Of course it's nit picky. Mass Effect is part of a nit picky genre. It's Talky-Techy sci fi, like Star Trek. I love how so many people assume assume flaws don't matter if their not "major" ones. They should just be ignored entirely.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 22, 2020 16:49:55 GMT
I agree. They should be ignored and people should just enjoy the game for everything it is as well as whatever it is not. I mean when you have characters like the ones in Mass Effect....that so many people are drawn to and relate to, that is something special on its own. I can't honestly think of even one game series that I have played in the past that has had the same affect on me. That in and of itself is important and needs to bear remembering.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 22, 2020 16:57:08 GMT
I wish more people would criticize the combat. God I hate it lol This! Just to irk cloud9sumthin guy. Jokes aside. Does he even have a life other than nitpicking about Bioware games and repeatedly creating questionable threads just to argue. 😏😏😏
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Post by Serza on Apr 22, 2020 17:04:44 GMT
I saw very recently someone say that Witcher is about screwing witches. Sorry... Sorceresses.
To be fair, we were comparing it to Kingdom Come and why so few people drop out of KCD early before they get to the meat while they love the Witcher.
We came to the conclusions that in the first 20 minutes, you have a completely actionpacked cutscene, half-naked Yennefer and some combat, after which you have two characters talking about a dream including half-naked Yennefer, fighting, a short horse ride and you fight a Griffin. Meanwhile in KCD the first real fight you get into is like three or four hours into the game, and you only see a naked woman after like twelve, if you do a certain sidequest...
So, the conclusion was that people wanted instant gratification and were unwilling to work through early game to see if their liked KCD's more involved and tactical combat more than Witcher's fast paced, more stabby and slashy but inevitably less tactically complex combat. Naked women obviously aside.
IIRC you mostly see half naked Geralt in the beginning of The Witcher 3, Yen is there for maybe 5 second. When you get to the Griffin fight you might as well be 5-10 hours in and during that time you mostly see everyday life of a shithole village and fight some monsters outside of it while doing mostly dialogue/investigation based quests. No tits, no cutscenes etc. In KCD about 30 minutes in your family gets slaughtered in front of you (along with the whole village and everyone you know) and while escaping you might prevent a rape on your friend (or not), get wounded and chased by a group of Cumans with deadly intentions. I really don't think that seeing a women in her underwear for 5 seconds beats what KCD has to offer in the very beginning. AFAIK most people who gave up on KCD didn't like being unable to save game whenever they wish, having to eat and sleep and being shit at combat in the beginning. KCD also had an incredible amount of bugs and was poorly optimised, even for todays standards. Great game though. As for the OP - Gaming Sins videos are made for entertainment and controversy, but they certainly aren't about constructive criticism.
It is not a bulletproof conclusion, but it is one that we agreed on with the people we came to it with.
You do bring some fine arguments, to be sure.
What I meant was, Witcher starts on with all this to keep you in, while KCD keeps a lot of it reeled in for later.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 22, 2020 17:04:56 GMT
In spite of whatever supposed 'flaws' people nit-pick and dig to find and then blow up (such as all of those found in videos like the one that has begun this argument)....In my opinion, while I admit freely that no game is ever "absolutely perfect"....the ME Trilogy is still the best series I've ever played. And Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 are hands-down the best games I've ever played regardless of genre. And yet if I am going to answer honestly... If I were asked to pick something, anything, about one, any or all of the games that I didn't like, it would be the clunky Inventory System from ME 1 and the Planet Scanning from ME 2 (as both are tedious). But I recognize that each thing has its place within the respective game; there is a reason why the Devs implemented each thing the way they did. For example, the Inventory System and breaking down of components hearkens back to old-school RPGs. A very categorical and structured system. And the planet scanning from ME 2 was a new way to introduce that same component-- instead of breaking down weapons into elements to be repurposed, you would scan planets for the raw elements. Something fresh and new, sounded like a good idea at the time. But my dislike and lack of enjoyment of those elements does not detract from my enthusiasm and over all enjoyment or praise of the individual games or the trilogy as a whole. We all have games that are "our favourite games" for many different reasons. I love Mass Effect for the story and the characters, some people love the Witcher series for the combat or vast exploration and freedom, many people love STAR CRAFT or Command & Conquer for the strategy and tactics, while others love PvP style games like Fortnite or APEX Legends for the challenge and frenetic pacing of that gaming genre. I think that's great. But I don't think (and this speaks to the larger Gaming Community on the World Wide Web) people need to post videos about "EVERYTHING WRONG with...... (*Insert Game Title*)" or "Reasons why *Insert Title* is a BAD GAME" as if A) they're opinion is the only opinion of said titles that matters and/or B --That because they're opinion is the only opinion that matters, other people should agree with them and therefore stay away from buying/playing said title and/or C "If you buy or play said title, you're not a true Gamer". If you don't like a game (for whatever reason) that's fine. But that's your business. Personally, I don't like BIOSHOCK because I was very easily frustrated with it and had a tarnished experience because of my frustration. Does that mean it's a "horrible game"? Absolutely not. I know a great many people who have said that is a very good game for many reasons. I just didn't stick with it long enough to give myself the opportunity to find that out for myself, and at this point I am willing to accept that. But that does not mean, nor does it give me the right to post an hours-long video of all the things wrong with BIOSHOCK and why I thought it was a horrible game and to tell other people not to buy it. That is one thing that I really don't like about Youtube in recent years, it seems to have given people a license to feel entitled and a microphone to make themselves heard, entitled to spout their opinion and medium or tool that would make their voice the loudest among all others. And this is true not just about the topic or world or genre or community of Gaming/Gamers, but for many things. Well, pretty much all things. However, I recognize that my first strategy for combating that element is to simply stay away from any videos of that nature. Give myself guidelines or personal rules. For example, I know someone who if they go on youtube for whatever reason.....one thing they absolutely will not do is read the Comments below about the video, whatever it is. They just don't do it, and that's fine. That's a personal rule they have set for themselves. And in this matter, for me personally....I am going to stay away from videos of this nature in the future. I don't expect Mass Effect Trilogy to be perfect games, I just want a story that is consistent, meaningful, and impactful because I know they can create a hell of a better story than this. Hell, Dragon Age: Origins story is excellent (despite my distaste of gameplay) of fighting against the darkspawn, dabbling in Ferelden politics to get people come together, and a well written endings that impact the overall world of Ferelden depending on the choices you make. That is what I'm looking for is to have a consistent yet great story, that only the main character can shape the future of the world around him/her.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 22, 2020 17:10:40 GMT
A video nitpicking The Witcher 3 now that would be fun.
Here's one. Hey, I appreciate his criticism so that they could improve things they could work on on the next game. There's always room for improvement.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 22, 2020 17:12:37 GMT
If they created Thanix Cannons from the debris from Sovereign, why they haven't used those cannons AGAINST the Reapers, instead of building a crucible with a Deus Ex Machina plot device in the first place? They could be used that against them, and they don't even have to build the Crucible if they could use the cannons. And it doesn't officially confirm by writers how Shepard's body survived from impact. And you realize that the body will disintegrate when crashing into a planet from outer space, right? Come on, man. Use your critical thinking skills. Perhaps you forgot about the Thanix cannons being used to carve up a Collector ship.
Ok. I'm saying if they got the tech from Sovereign, then they could use it against them. That would be a smart thing to do.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 22, 2020 17:13:17 GMT
The video is nitpicky but damn it's crazy how many inconsistencies there are in the lore and plot holes in the story. Tons of fuck ups in the codex as well. Bioware didn't do themselves any favors by getting off track with the Collectors. That's what I said.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 17:15:19 GMT
Perhaps you forgot about the Thanix cannons being used to carve up a Collector ship.
Ok. I'm saying if they got the tech from Sovereign, then they could use it against them. That would be a smart thing to do. They did use it against them. The galaxy developed multiple weapon systems based off this technology to fight the Reapers.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 22, 2020 17:18:58 GMT
I agree. They should be ignored and people should just enjoy the game for everything it is as well as whatever it is not. I mean when you have characters like the ones in Mass Effect....that so many people are drawn to and relate to, that is something special on its own. I can't honestly think of even one game series that I have played in the past that has had the same affect on me. That in and of itself is important and needs to bear remembering. That doesn't mean that it's immune to criticism and ignore the flaws in the game. Plenty of people here want to prove that the Witcher game is flawed, and that is OK. There's room for improvement. You can still enjoy the games that you like, but that doesn't mean that the devs couldn't fix or improve flaws to make their games better.
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