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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 12, 2020 9:19:21 GMT
It seems cruel to point out that BG1 Enhanced needs to be bolded. since you asked...yes
as Flemeth would say: If you want something done, do it yourself. Or hear about it a decade or two afterwards Edit: made a final version, hopefully everyone's now content...oh who am I kidding Posted this back on the official BSN ages ago... yeah... I kinda feel like that is the ongoing theme in this thread
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 12, 2020 14:48:27 GMT
Edit: made a final version, hopefully everyone's now content...oh who am I kidding Posted this back on the official BSN ages ago... Greatest Bioware meme... ever
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Post by Sartoz on May 13, 2020 21:53:49 GMT
Snip yeah... I kinda feel like that is the ongoing theme in this thread
With good reason, yes?
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Post by Addictress on May 25, 2020 6:55:35 GMT
Huh? Who was not bi in DA2 F/M?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 25, 2020 6:58:26 GMT
Huh? Who was not bi in DA2 F/M? Sebastian was straight.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 25, 2020 11:32:20 GMT
Huh? Who was not bi in DA2 F/M? Sebastian was straight. I’m willing to bet most people forget he exists. I honestly forgot he was there for a while until he praised me for putting Anders out of his misery.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 25, 2020 14:50:08 GMT
Huh? Who was not bi in DA2 F/M? Sebastian was straight. Sebastian barely existed !
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Post by Iakus on May 25, 2020 16:58:13 GMT
I’m willing to bet most people forget he exists. I honestly forgot he was there for a while until he praised me for putting Anders out of his misery. Sebastian was cool for a dlc character. He's the only one pointing out that it was stupid to argue over annulling the Circle when the terrorist mage they were after WAS RIGHT HERE AND JUST CONFESSED!
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 25, 2020 17:39:50 GMT
I’m willing to bet most people forget he exists. I honestly forgot he was there for a while until he praised me for putting Anders out of his misery. Sebastian was cool for a dlc character. He's the only one pointing out that it was stupid to argue over annulling the Circle when the terrorist mage they were after WAS RIGHT HERE ND JUST CONFESSED! I don't know if he was worth it for that scene alone
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 25, 2020 17:41:57 GMT
^
I think part of why people dislike Sebastian so much is due to; 1) he joins the party quite late, giving him a disadvantage to the rest of the group who already have 3 years getting to know one another 2) him being chaste, which...you know...isn't all that bad
add to that the fact his romance isn't exactly acknowledged.. Varric doesn't have a concern entry like he does for the other four...and the Nightmare demon in Inquisition doesn't acknowledge his relationship with Hawke either
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Post by KaiserShep on May 25, 2020 17:56:04 GMT
I’m willing to bet most people forget he exists. I honestly forgot he was there for a while until he praised me for putting Anders out of his misery. Sebastian was cool for a dlc character. He's the only one pointing out that it was stupid to argue over annulling the Circle when the terrorist mage they were after WAS RIGHT HERE ND JUST CONFESSED! Even the people in the game don’t really pay attention to him.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 25, 2020 18:13:04 GMT
I liked SEbastian. He's probably my third favorite companion of DA2, beaten only by Merrill and Aveline. I just wished they did more wiuth his romance. It was great that he was chaste, but they made Hawke super lustful and half the few dialogue banters with other party members were making fun of that kind of relationship since it wasn't sexual.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 25, 2020 18:25:55 GMT
I liked SEbastian. He's probably my third favorite companion of DA2, beaten only by Merrill and Aveline. I just wished they did more wiuth his romance. It was great that he was chaste, but they made Hawke super lustful and half the few dialogue banters with other party members were making fun of that kind of relationship since it wasn't sexual. To be fair I like Seb as well...if his relationship was more fleshed out I'd love pursuing him more his accent is cute, plus his laugh is adorable (and I say this as a firm Fenris-mancer ) I think if he'd been recruit-able in Act 1 (without the use of mods) giving him the same amount of time with the rest of the squad it would've been more fleshed out
then again, Bethany/Carver leave the party for years and everyone is still amicable to them...not really fair imo.
plus I don't think it's very fair to give him such flack for his outburst during Last Straw...I mean, his home was just destroyed, and family was just killed I'd threaten the person responsible for it all with death as well (not really sure I'd start a war though )
Here's hoping for a cute ace romance in the next game...I don't need all those sexual scenes, if they're implied that's fine...but I don't need to see them I mean...the romance scene in ME1 was done tasteful, some fade to black...it was perfect! We need more of that that's...my opinion anyway
Edit: anyone know something about Seb's romance? Like...I know you can't flirt with anyone else if you want to romance him but... even when not romancing him, I like picking the option that allows Hawk to offer teaching Fenris how to read...but it's a flirt option, why in the Maker's name is that a flirt option?! so with that in mind...could someone still persuade a romance with Seb and still offer to teach Fen how to read?
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 25, 2020 19:30:18 GMT
^
I think part of why people dislike Sebastian so much is due to; 1) he joins the party quite late, giving him a disadvantage to the rest of the group who already have 3 years getting to know one another 2) him being chaste, which...you know...isn't all that bad
add to that the fact his romance isn't exactly acknowledged.. Varric doesn't have a concern entry like he does for the other four...and the Nightmare demon in Inquisition doesn't acknowledge his relationship with Hawke either He's just VERY difficult to relate to. He's an andrastrian through and through and is a bit morally rigid in comparison to the other characters. He might be more palatable as a love interest though.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 25, 2020 19:36:35 GMT
^
I think part of why people dislike Sebastian so much is due to; 1) he joins the party quite late, giving him a disadvantage to the rest of the group who already have 3 years getting to know one another 2) him being chaste, which...you know...isn't all that bad
add to that the fact his romance isn't exactly acknowledged.. Varric doesn't have a concern entry like he does for the other four...and the Nightmare demon in Inquisition doesn't acknowledge his relationship with Hawke either So... no mention at all about his religion? I've seen many players over the years mention what they perceive a his proselytizing, particularly in dialogues with Merrill and Fenris, as their reason for disliking him.
And lol I like how he tries to rope Fenris into going to the templars with him about Anders. Dude, if you're that confident in your belief, grow a pair and go do it yourself. I don't even like Anders and that banter pisses me off.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 25, 2020 19:48:07 GMT
He's just VERY difficult to relate to. He's an andrastrian through and through and is a bit morally rigid in comparison to the other characters. He might be more palatable as a love interest though. So...Leliana and Cassandra aren't Andrastian through and through?
Each game we're given different layers to different religions and beliefs, Sebastian was quite young when he joined (according to his dialogue about 13-14) so still very susceptible to the Chantry's doctrine. Not to mention his family was very devout to begin with, so he likely was taught Chantry stuff since he was little.
as for his morals...if we're going by D&D alignment, I'd peg Sebastian as Lawful Good on friendship path and Chaotic Good on rivalry (I'm not very good at this though so don't quote me in this)
I admit, I'm not one for religion in general (atheist here), but find religion in itself fascinating...and despite what people might say, he doesn't try to convert people he asks them questions, gives them ideas...but never does he say "my religion is the only one and yours doesn't matter" for example, in his party banter with Merrill the two talk about religion a lot, but never in all his dialogue does he convert people oh but I hear people say, he converted Fenris! Uhm...where? He asks Fenris if he believes and offers to help, Fenris decides on his own to reaffirm his believes and go to the Chantry to pray
I actually find him quite admirable...the only time he ever annoys me is when he talks about wanting to sell out Anders/Merrill to the Circle in banter with Fenris, which can be quite jarring if Hawke's also happens to be a mage love Fenris' reaction though ( Fenris: Uh-uh. You want to turn them in, you work it out with Hawke)
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 25, 2020 19:58:57 GMT
He's just VERY difficult to relate to. He's an andrastrian through and through and is a bit morally rigid in comparison to the other characters. He might be more palatable as a love interest though. So...Leliana and Cassandra aren't Andrastian through and through?
Each game we're given different layers to different religions and beliefs, Sebastian was quite young when he joined (according to his dialogue about 13-14) so still very susceptible to the Chantry's doctrine. Not to mention his family was very devout to begin with, so he likely was taught Chantry stuff since he was little.
as for his morals...if we're going by D&D alignment, I'd peg Sebastian as Lawful Good on friendship path and Chaotic Good on rivalry (I'm not very good at this though so don't quote me in this)
I admit, I'm not one for religion in general (atheist here), but find religion in itself fascinating...and despite what people might say, he doesn't try to convert people he asks them questions, gives them ideas...but never does he say "my religion is the only one and yours doesn't matter" for example, in his party banter with Merrill the two talk about religion a lot, but never in all his dialogue does he convert people oh but I hear people say, he converted Fenris! Uhm...where? He asks Fenris if he believes and offers to help, Fenris decides on his own to reaffirm his believes and go to the Chantry to pray
I actually find him quite admirable...the only time he ever annoys me is when he talks about wanting to sell out Anders/Merrill to the Circle in banter with Fenris, which can be quite jarring if Hawke's also happens to be a mage love Fenris' reaction though ( Fenris: Uh-uh. You want to turn them in, you work it out with Hawke) Leliana and Cassandra are more layered characters though. Leliana is a bard and a musician, an idealist, a former spy and assassin, a child of two nations... and then an andrastian; same for Cassandra, she's a pragmatist, a warrior, a reader, an agent of the divine... and then an andrastian. The problem with Sebastian is that the andriastian bit seems to come up first and foremost above everything. I mostly spoke about his moral rigidity because of the Anders conflict. It's reasonable that he'd be upset at the destruction of the Chantry and the murder of his friend, but it's neither as simple as he describes it nor does it seem like reason enough to invade an entire city to find justice. I understand however, how romancing him might be fun. I could do with seeing his more vulnerable side.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 25, 2020 20:00:01 GMT
So... no mention at all about his religion? I've seen many players over the years mention what they perceive a his proselytizing, particularly in dialogues with Merrill and Fenris, as their reason for disliking him.
And lol I like how he tries to rope Fenris into going to the templars with him about Anders. Dude, if you're that confident in your belief, grow a pair and go do it yourself. I don't even like Anders and that banter pisses me off.
Yeah okay, I neglected that part...but I said part of why people dislike him I guess the religious part also turns people off, though it makes me wonder if those same people like Leliana and/or Cassandra I mean...they're pretty religious too
And yeah, that banter also pisses me off...it's especially jarring if Hawke is also a mage and walking in front of them no less though I love Fenris' reaction, he's all "nope!"
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 25, 2020 20:06:32 GMT
Leliana and Cassandra are more layered characters though. Leliana is a bard and a musician, an idealist, a former spy and assassin, a child of two nations... and then an andrastian; same for Cassandra, she's a pragmatist, a warrior, a reader, an agent of the divine... and then an andrastian. The problem with Sebastian is that the andriastian bit seems to come up first and foremost above everything. I mostly spoke about his moral rigidity because of the Anders conflict. It's reasonable that he'd be upset at the destruction of the Chantry and the murder of his friend, but it's neither as simple as he describes it nor does it seem like reason enough to invade an entire city to find justice. I understand however, how romancing him might be fun. I could do with seeing his more vulnerable side. Yeah okay...I see your point most people only play his dlc for the Leliana cameo (I'm guilty of that as well)
I mean, unlike other dlc characters in Bioware games (like Kasumi, Zaeed and Javik), Sebastian often feels a bit tacked on last minute if you remove him from Last Straw, the scene plays out as normal...just without the infamous MAKER NO!! and the guilt tripping
as I said in an earlier post, if he'd joined in the same time frame as the rest of the team (Act1) he could've been given more and a more steady development if we take for example the siblings, they leave at the end of Act 1 but still grow across the acts which shows if you take them along on the DLC quests Sebastian...err, he somewhat lacks character growth, don't get me wrong...he's still quite likeable in certain parts...but he just lacks...something
I mean, if Varric says you're boring...you probably did something? (Varric: What are you hiding? Nobody's this bloody clean.)
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Post by NotN7 on May 25, 2020 20:07:11 GMT
LOL! I have been thinking about it please define Cute? I'm sure my definition of cute is totally 180 degrees out of yours with that said lets see what happens
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Post by Frost on May 25, 2020 20:33:47 GMT
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I think part of why people dislike Sebastian so much is due to; 1) he joins the party quite late, giving him a disadvantage to the rest of the group who already have 3 years getting to know one another 2) him being chaste, which...you know...isn't all that bad add to that the fact his romance isn't exactly acknowledged.. Varric doesn't have a concern entry like he does for the other four...and the Nightmare demon in Inquisition doesn't acknowledge his relationship with Hawke either So... no mention at all about his religion? I've seen many players over the years mention what they perceive a his proselytizing, particularly in dialogues with Merrill and Fenris, as their reason for disliking him.
And lol I like how he tries to rope Fenris into going to the templars with him about Anders. Dude, if you're that confident in your belief, grow a pair and go do it yourself. I don't even like Anders and that banter pisses me off.
Yes, this is why I can't stand Sebastian: His proselytizing and his antimage and rat attitude.
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Post by Buckeldemon on May 26, 2020 4:27:21 GMT
It was great that he was chaste, but they made Hawke super lustful and half the few dialogue banters with other party members were making fun of that kind of relationship since it wasn't sexual. I'm not very knowledgeable about ace/demisexuality, but I took it as an (innate?) personal preference, while chastity in Sebastian's case is prescribed by Chantry rules. But... Here's hoping for a cute ace romance in the next game...I don't need all those sexual scenes, if they're implied that's fine...but I don't need to see them I mean...the romance scene in ME1 was done tasteful, some fade to black...it was perfect! We need more of that that's...my opinion anyway ...while I have no firm stance on the whole issue, I do not care much about sex being depicted in detail in the games (that is what headcanon or "mental cinema" is for), besides some scenes have been critisised for... not making much sense depending on the chosen gender of the protagonist (the infamous PB riding femRyder thing for example). I would like for romances to have multiple routes, with some go ace/not depicting anything/being ambigous/whatever as long as everything stays in-character. I like what they did with regards to Cora (different routes) and Dorian, who can have playful flirts with a FemQuisitor despite his preferences. Having a romance going "climax" and then never being brought up again is rather... dull as well. Sebastian was quite young when he joined (according to his dialogue about 13-14) so still very susceptible to the Chantry's doctrine. Not to mention his family was very devout to begin with, so he likely was taught Chantry stuff since he was little. When does he say this? I mean there is this banter with him mentioning how he was out drinking and whoring all day... Sebastian: I used to be like you, you know. Isabela: You used to be a woman? Sebastian: No! Isabela: That explains a lot. Sebastian: My family put me in the Chantry because I was giving them a bad name. Sebastian: It was the best thing that ever happened to me. I found peace. I found a purpose. Sebastian: Before I came here, I used to be out to all hours, drinking and whoring. I didn't believe in anything except my own pleasure. Isabela: Why couldn't I have met you then?
[/spoiler] I'd say he's more of a Lawful Neutral, as Chantry dogma and rules come (far) before morals. And sometimes this makes him veer right into the dreaded Lawful Stupid territory. It appears to me as if he behaves exatly like some real-life priests in their conversion attempts, besides that he is a priest of an organised religion which has an explicit conversion mandate, so I would not could on these not doing anything, if they do it unconsciously. Of course, opening up with "Believe, or you'll burn in Hell!!!!" is likely to turn people off, so he goes the usual passive-aggressive route and pesters them instead. His first words in banter towards Merrill and Fenris are basically asking them if they are (already?!?) andrastian. For Isabela, he goes the comparative "I used to be like you..." route, but is still extremely passive aggressive. Uses "need" and "must" quite a lot on Varric and Merrill with regards to their personal issues. Perhaps I'm more sensitive to this because I've got a passive-aggressive streak myself, but... well, Merrill and Fenris are elves afterall, and the Chantry is biased against them. I would not credit him for converting Fenris, as I'd guess that Fenris had some andrastian tendencies beforehand, even if it is just because "enemy mine", i.e. views on mages and magic. So...Leliana and Cassandra aren't Andrastian through and through? Each game we're given different layers to different religions and beliefs, Sebastian was quite young when he joined (according to his dialogue about 13-14) so still very susceptible to the Chantry's doctrine. Not to mention his family was very devout to begin with, so he likely was taught Chantry stuff since he was little.
Leliana and Cassandra are more layered characters though. Leliana is a bard and a musician, an idealist, a former spy and assassin, a child of two nations... and then an andrastian; same for Cassandra, she's a pragmatist, a warrior, a reader, an agent of the divine... and then an andrastian. The problem with Sebastian is that the andriastian bit seems to come up first and foremost above everything. I'd say the issue is that Sebastian is basically a priest and nothing else. The other two do get far more screentime though, as already mentioned.
The main thing is that while, say, Leliana is faithful, Sebastian is religious. At least that is how someone else tried to describe it to me. I do not know if I got it right, but my impression is that Leliana's beliefs are rather personally defined (up to the point that she deviates from official canon/dogma quite a bit, as depicted in DAO), while Sebastian is more about dogma/teachings others tell him first and foremost, with Cassandra being stuck somewhere between them, though for her there's also the lingering question of how much the faith spirit she's bonded with as a seeker influences her. Oh, and I do think all of them have their issues. Sebastian is too Lawful Stupid for my taste, Cassandra is ultimately in-line with the andrastian lack of tolerance towards other viewpoints ("Have you considered taking the Maker into your beliefs, Lavellan?" I wonder what would happen if Lavellan would suggest for Cass to adopt Dalish Creators instead... I guess, either "Annullment Time" or reaching for arguments why Maker is better and finding none, yelling "Infidel"?) and Leliana, as Divine, could manage to exterminate the remaining "heathen" cultures by sneaking Andrastianism through the back door, to people who otherwise would dismiss the Chant because of its human favouritism and arrogance.
most people only play his dlc for the Leliana cameo (I'm guilty of that as well)
Oh, that cameo, yeah. I would call it needless fanservice, I guess? Yes, Lels came to Kirkwall to investigate shiv some evul mages like any good Chantry rogue would do. The fact that she was just sent after the Resolutionists instead of looking into Meredith's activities (who's already itchin' to kill all the robes at this point) adds another point to the list that the Chantry (or the Divine?) did not seem to care about the issues and rumors surrounding the local templar K.C. though. ...
I looked up some banters and comments as not to have my memory fool me, but some things caught my eye.
(Gallows) "The Gallows is rather dreadful, isn't it? Maybe the mages here would be more tractable if they were housed somewhere else."
I did not remember that and being not a native speaker, might miss the nuance, but tractable? As similar to guideable or able to manipulated? Yes, it makes sense if you think of his religion as a way to control people (which it like to), but otherwise... that is just really... evil? (Gallows) "What's so bad about living in the Circle? Why can't mages just be happy with what they have?"
Fenris: This is meant for a sacrificial ritual. In ancient Tevinter they were used to appease the old gods. The magisters still place such offerings, though they pretend now that they're for Andraste and the Maker. Sebastian: Such superstitions have no place in the Chantry. Fenris: Which is why Tevinter left.
(Yup. "Superstition." Riiiight. One man's superstition is another man's faith, but who I am to expect a priest of a "We are betters!" religion to notice that.)
Sebastian: I'm glad that a sword of the Chantry has joined us. Carver: Right. Keep it to yourself. Sebastian: I'm sorry? Carver: You don't understand this life. I didn't. (That is kinda interesting, but also appears to show that Sebastian really has no clue about some things he's harping about. Same as with the circle mages.)
Varric: You know, Choir Boy, I wouldn't normally say this, but—the shiny white armor? It works for you. Sebastian: That's uncharacteristically kind of you, Varric. Varric: Makes you look like a lacquered pilot whale. Sebastian: Ah, now that was much more in-character. (Is that an admission of his own "Lawful Stupid" tendencies? )
Merrill: I've always wondered: how do your Divines choose their names? Sebastian: They write all the best sacred names on slips of paper and stuff them in a miter. Sebastian: Then the newly elected Divine picks a name out of the hat. Merrill: What if she picks a name she doesn't like? Does she have to keep it? Sebastian: Of course she does. How do you think we got four Divines named Hortensia? (That one really surprised me when I heard it the first time. I mean, is he really cracking a joke about his Most Holy stuff?)
Sebastian: It's our duty to tell the templars. Fenris: Then why haven't you done it? Sebastian: I guess I was hoping they'd come to it on their own. Fenris: And then you wouldn't have to betray Hawke's friends, right? Sebastian: That's not reason enough to allow a maleficar to walk free.
Sebastian: Which of us should do it? Shall we draw lots? Fenris: Uh-uh. You want to turn them in, you work it out with Hawke.
(This actually made me more tolerant towards Fenris of all people, as he knows where to draw a line, or at least is not a case of "too dumb to live". For Sebastian, it confirmes the "Lawful Stupid" part though. Really hard.)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 26, 2020 4:46:45 GMT
It was great that he was chaste, but they made Hawke super lustful and half the few dialogue banters with other party members were making fun of that kind of relationship since it wasn't sexual. I'm not very knowledgeable about ace/demisexuality, but I took it as an (innate?) personal preference, while chastity in Sebastian's case is prescribed by Chantry rules. But... Here's hoping for a cute ace romance in the next game...I don't need all those sexual scenes, if they're implied that's fine...but I don't need to see them I mean...the romance scene in ME1 was done tasteful, some fade to black...it was perfect! We need more of that that's...my opinion anyway ...while I have no firm stance on the whole issue, I do not care much about sex being depicted in detail in the games (that is what headcanon or "mental cinema" is for), besides some scenes have been critisised for... not making much sense depending on the chosen gender of the protagonist (the infamous PB riding femRyder thing for example). I would like for romances to have multiple routes, with some go ace/not depicting anything/being ambigous/whatever as long as everything stays in-character. I like what they did with regards to Cora (different routes) and Dorian, who can have playful flirts with a FemQuisitor despite his preferences. Having a romance going "climax" and then never being brought up again is rather... dull as well. Oh, I'm not saying he was ace/demi. Those are sexual orientations, while as you point out his vow of chastity was a choice when he joined the Chantry. I just didn't like how the only romance in DA2 that didn't involve/require sex made fun of it for it. Thankfully DAI handled it much better, between some romances having it be optional and others ambiguous (Josephine to the point where not only the romance but the character herself could be seen that way). I'm pretty sure that's the way they're going to do romances for the forseeable future. I remember when asked if they'd ever do an explicitly asexual romance they said something like they might someday but for now will have some romances that either have routes that don't involve sex (Leliana, Dorian, Cora) or leave the scene ambiguous so either interpretation is valid (Kelly, Josephine, Suvi).
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 26, 2020 5:29:35 GMT
Having a romance going "climax" and then never being brought up again is rather... dull as well. I don't understand why I see this in threads about romance. This has never been the case in a DA game. All of the romances continue throughout the game, have mentions in epilogues, and carry on beyond the game in which they were featured -- there are several examples.
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Post by wright1978 on May 26, 2020 7:26:13 GMT
So... no mention at all about his religion? I've seen many players over the years mention what they perceive a his proselytizing, particularly in dialogues with Merrill and Fenris, as their reason for disliking him.
And lol I like how he tries to rope Fenris into going to the templars with him about Anders. Dude, if you're that confident in your belief, grow a pair and go do it yourself. I don't even like Anders and that banter pisses me off.
Yes, this is why I can't stand Sebastian: His proselytizing and his antimage and rat attitude. I just love pushing his buttons because friendship/rivalry is present over the useless approval.
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