Post by LadyofNemesis on May 26, 2020 10:24:47 GMT
1) ...while I have no firm stance on the whole issue, I do not care much about sex being depicted in detail in the games (that is what headcanon or "mental cinema" is for), besides some scenes have been critisised for... not making much sense depending on the chosen gender of the protagonist (the infamous PB riding femRyder thing for example). I would like for romances to have multiple routes, with some go ace/not depicting anything/being ambigous/whatever as long as everything stays in-character. I like what they did with regards to Cora (different routes) and Dorian, who can have playful flirts with a FemQuisitor despite his preferences. Having a romance going "climax" and then never being brought up again is rather... dull as well.
2) When does he say this? I mean there is this banter with him mentioning how he was out drinking and whoring all day... 
3) I'd say he's more of a Lawful Neutral, as Chantry dogma and rules come (far) before morals. And sometimes this makes him veer right into the dreaded Lawful Stupid territory.
4) It appears to me as if he behaves exatly like some real-life priests in their conversion attempts, besides that he is a priest of an organised religion which has an explicit conversion mandate, so I would not could on these not doing anything, if they do it unconsciously. Of course, opening up with "Believe, or you'll burn in Hell!!!!" is likely to turn people off, so he goes the usual passive-aggressive route and pesters them instead. His first words in banter towards Merrill and Fenris are basically asking them if they are (already?!?) andrastian. For Isabela, he goes the comparative "I used to be like you..." route, but is still extremely passive aggressive. Uses "need" and "must" quite a lot on Varric and Merrill with regards to their personal issues. Perhaps I'm more sensitive to this because I've got a passive-aggressive streak myself, but... well, Merrill and Fenris are elves afterall, and the Chantry is biased against them. I would not credit him for converting Fenris, as I'd guess that Fenris had some andrastian tendencies beforehand, even if it is just because "enemy mine", i.e. views on mages and magic.
5) Oh, that cameo, yeah. I would call it needless fanservice, I guess? Yes, Lels came to Kirkwall to investigate shiv some evul mages like any good Chantry rogue would do. The fact that she was just sent after the Resolutionists instead of looking into Meredith's activities (who's already itchin' to kill all the robes at this point) adds another point to the list that the Chantry (or the Divine?) did not seem to care about the issues and rumors surrounding the local templar K.C. though.
...
I looked up some banters and comments as not to have my memory fool me, but some things caught my eye.
(Gallows) "The Gallows is rather dreadful, isn't it? Maybe the mages here would be more tractable if they were housed somewhere else."
I did not remember that and being not a native speaker, might miss the nuance, but tractable? As similar to guideable or able to manipulated? Yes, it makes sense if you think of his religion as a way to control people (which it like to), but otherwise... that is just really... evil?
(Gallows) "What's so bad about living in the Circle? Why can't mages just be happy with what they have?"
But understandable coming from a pampered noble.
Fenris: This is meant for a sacrificial ritual. In ancient Tevinter they were used to appease the old gods. The magisters still place such offerings, though they pretend now that they're for Andraste and the Maker.
Sebastian: Such superstitions have no place in the Chantry.
Fenris: Which is why Tevinter left.
(Yup. "Superstition." Riiiight. One man's superstition is another man's faith, but who I am to expect a priest of a "We are betters!" religion to notice that.)
Sebastian: I'm glad that a sword of the Chantry has joined us.
Carver: Right. Keep it to yourself.
Sebastian: I'm sorry?
Carver: You don't understand this life. I didn't.
(That is kinda interesting, but also appears to show that Sebastian really has no clue about some things he's harping about. Same as with the circle mages.)
Varric: You know, Choir Boy, I wouldn't normally say this, but—the shiny white armor? It works for you.
Sebastian: That's uncharacteristically kind of you, Varric.
Varric: Makes you look like a lacquered pilot whale.
Sebastian: Ah, now that was much more in-character.
(Is that an admission of his own "Lawful Stupid" tendencies? )
Merrill: I've always wondered: how do your Divines choose their names?
Sebastian: They write all the best sacred names on slips of paper and stuff them in a miter.
Sebastian: Then the newly elected Divine picks a name out of the hat.
Merrill: What if she picks a name she doesn't like? Does she have to keep it?
Sebastian: Of course she does. How do you think we got four Divines named Hortensia?
(That one really surprised me when I heard it the first time. I mean, is he really cracking a joke about his Most Holy stuff?)
Sebastian: It's our duty to tell the templars.
Fenris: Then why haven't you done it?
Sebastian: I guess I was hoping they'd come to it on their own.
Fenris: And then you wouldn't have to betray Hawke's friends, right?
Sebastian: That's not reason enough to allow a maleficar to walk free.
Sebastian: Which of us should do it? Shall we draw lots?
Fenris: Uh-uh. You want to turn them in, you work it out with Hawke.
(This actually made me more tolerant towards Fenris of all people, as he knows where to draw a line, or at least is not a case of "too dumb to live". For Sebastian, it confirmes the "Lawful Stupid" part though. Really hard.)
3) I'd say he's more of a Lawful Neutral, as Chantry dogma and rules come (far) before morals. And sometimes this makes him veer right into the dreaded Lawful Stupid territory.
4) It appears to me as if he behaves exatly like some real-life priests in their conversion attempts, besides that he is a priest of an organised religion which has an explicit conversion mandate, so I would not could on these not doing anything, if they do it unconsciously. Of course, opening up with "Believe, or you'll burn in Hell!!!!" is likely to turn people off, so he goes the usual passive-aggressive route and pesters them instead. His first words in banter towards Merrill and Fenris are basically asking them if they are (already?!?) andrastian. For Isabela, he goes the comparative "I used to be like you..." route, but is still extremely passive aggressive. Uses "need" and "must" quite a lot on Varric and Merrill with regards to their personal issues. Perhaps I'm more sensitive to this because I've got a passive-aggressive streak myself, but... well, Merrill and Fenris are elves afterall, and the Chantry is biased against them. I would not credit him for converting Fenris, as I'd guess that Fenris had some andrastian tendencies beforehand, even if it is just because "enemy mine", i.e. views on mages and magic.
5) Oh, that cameo, yeah. I would call it needless fanservice, I guess? Yes, Lels came to Kirkwall to investigate shiv some evul mages like any good Chantry rogue would do. The fact that she was just sent after the Resolutionists instead of looking into Meredith's activities (who's already itchin' to kill all the robes at this point) adds another point to the list that the Chantry (or the Divine?) did not seem to care about the issues and rumors surrounding the local templar K.C. though.
...
I looked up some banters and comments as not to have my memory fool me, but some things caught my eye.
(Gallows) "The Gallows is rather dreadful, isn't it? Maybe the mages here would be more tractable if they were housed somewhere else."
I did not remember that and being not a native speaker, might miss the nuance, but tractable? As similar to guideable or able to manipulated? Yes, it makes sense if you think of his religion as a way to control people (which it like to), but otherwise... that is just really... evil?
(Gallows) "What's so bad about living in the Circle? Why can't mages just be happy with what they have?"
But understandable coming from a pampered noble.Fenris: This is meant for a sacrificial ritual. In ancient Tevinter they were used to appease the old gods. The magisters still place such offerings, though they pretend now that they're for Andraste and the Maker.
Sebastian: Such superstitions have no place in the Chantry.
Fenris: Which is why Tevinter left.
(Yup. "Superstition." Riiiight. One man's superstition is another man's faith, but who I am to expect a priest of a "We are betters!" religion to notice that.)
Sebastian: I'm glad that a sword of the Chantry has joined us.
Carver: Right. Keep it to yourself.
Sebastian: I'm sorry?
Carver: You don't understand this life. I didn't.
(That is kinda interesting, but also appears to show that Sebastian really has no clue about some things he's harping about. Same as with the circle mages.)
Varric: You know, Choir Boy, I wouldn't normally say this, but—the shiny white armor? It works for you.
Sebastian: That's uncharacteristically kind of you, Varric.
Varric: Makes you look like a lacquered pilot whale.
Sebastian: Ah, now that was much more in-character.
(Is that an admission of his own "Lawful Stupid" tendencies?
)Merrill: I've always wondered: how do your Divines choose their names?
Sebastian: They write all the best sacred names on slips of paper and stuff them in a miter.
Sebastian: Then the newly elected Divine picks a name out of the hat.
Merrill: What if she picks a name she doesn't like? Does she have to keep it?
Sebastian: Of course she does. How do you think we got four Divines named Hortensia?
(That one really surprised me when I heard it the first time. I mean, is he really cracking a joke about his Most Holy stuff?)
Sebastian: It's our duty to tell the templars.
Fenris: Then why haven't you done it?
Sebastian: I guess I was hoping they'd come to it on their own.
Fenris: And then you wouldn't have to betray Hawke's friends, right?
Sebastian: That's not reason enough to allow a maleficar to walk free.
Sebastian: Which of us should do it? Shall we draw lots?
Fenris: Uh-uh. You want to turn them in, you work it out with Hawke.
(This actually made me more tolerant towards Fenris of all people, as he knows where to draw a line, or at least is not a case of "too dumb to live". For Sebastian, it confirmes the "Lawful Stupid" part though. Really hard.)
(no idea since I end up romancing Reyes anyway) 2) he mentions it in I belief his gift quest (Starkhaven longbow) when discussing his grandfather he says he was 13 when he made a promise to his grandfather. He then adds "but I was send to the Chantry before I could show him [how well he'd gotten with the bow]"
But in various dialogues and his short story it's mentioned he wasn't a very good student until several years later. (I've no idea how young people would start being sexually active in the time period they base the games in )
)According to the time-line Sebastian is about 28-29 by the end of DA2
3) Hm, yeah...as I said I'm not very good with the whole alignment thing (on some of those tests I tend to end up as Lawful Good most of the time though)
4) yeah...okay...I see your point.
5) Leliana is often accused of being the "Liara of Dragon Age" 
(though unlike Liara, I don't hate Leliana)
(though unlike Liara, I don't hate Leliana)I still think Sebastian is an interesting character, but the more I read those banters you posted...err...it almost makes me want to spare Anders so I can have Aveline send him packing in Inquisition 
Also, Lawful Stupid...I've heard that term before, but what does it mean? 
I guess with a set of questions related to RL situations (as opposed to medieval), I could score higher on the Lawful aspects. 
(and Sirius', which could've been avoided if Harry hadn't been such an idiot 
How rude!
(I plan on buying a t-shirt with that quote, I already have a Hufflepuff hoodie and a phoenix t-shirt, it's pretty)
There are some TES stories to be told afterall 
) 
pretty bird