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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 29, 2020 13:40:51 GMT
John Sheperd advocated for Tali'Zorah Vas Normandy and got her cleared of all charges. He has earned everyone's loyalty except for the "Cerberus Cheerleader". He completed her loyalty mission expertly, trying two ways with the same outcome: 1) he convinced her not to shoot her old friend Niket.....She was still a cold-hearted B-tch and 2nd) he went back in time (via a quick load) and stood by while she shot him, thinking maybe she was pissed off that she didn't get to pull the trigger. Still when they returned to the Normandy, she was cold. And then immediately afterwards she got into a huge fight with Jack (and since John couldn't Charm him way out or Intimidate the piss out of them, he did the only thing he could and sided with Jack because he is in a relationship with her). Now Miranda is really cold, she barely let's John set foot in her office. He's tried to talk her down, but she tells him to go and talk to his friend Jack.
Thing is, the Suicide Mission is coming up....and John needs to know he can count on everyone, EVERYONE, including Miranda. He's distracted because the entire crew just got taken by the COllectors, but he needs to complete the mission for Legion first before he can go after the crew...though he knows with every moment that is spent doing other things, he is risking the lives of the entire crew, including even Dr. Chakwas; she more than anyone elese is someone he wants to save.....
Advice would be appreciated.
Translation: I completed everyone else's Loyalty Mission (except Legion at this point) with great Paragon Success, taking every Charm dialogue option and Paragon Interrupt I was offered- even had enough points to get Tali cleared of charges by charming the Admiralty Board. I did Miranda's mission both ways, first I stopped her from shooting Niket (and when we got back to Normandy she was really cold to me) so I did a quick-load and this time let her shoot him.....Only same results. Then when she had that huge fight with Jack, I was for some reason unable to Charm or Intimidate so I decided to side with Jack because I wanted to romance her. Now Miranda is even colder than before. My crew has been abducted and I still have Legion's Mission to complete...... Do I do Legion's mission and risk the crew?
Please help
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Post by themikefest on May 3, 2020 21:32:18 GMT
Do Legion's mission after suicide is completed.
I would have Tali/Goto in the vents. Send Solas back with the crew. Have Jack/Samara do the bubble. Take Kasumi and Jack to fight 3-eyes. Have the rest hold the line. Lawson and Legion should survive with no problem
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 3, 2020 22:32:47 GMT
Do Legion's mission after suicide is completed. I would have Tali/Goto in the vents. Send Solas back with the crew. Have Jack/Samara do the bubble. Take Kasumi and Jack to fight 3-eyes. Have the rest hold the line. Lawson and Legion should survive with no problem Solas? Uh.....? Well, Mike thanks for your advice. I'll remembe that for my next run through ME 2...as for this one I've already imported it into 3 and I'm past the Cerberus Coup. My next order of business is to get Tali on board. Hopefully she'll come with me, not stand me up like Ashley did.
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Post by themikefest on May 4, 2020 0:05:46 GMT
Do Legion's mission after suicide is completed. I would have Tali/Goto in the vents. Send Solas back with the crew. Have Jack/Samara do the bubble. Take Kasumi and Jack to fight 3-eyes. Have the rest hold the line. Lawson and Legion should survive with no problem Solas? Uh.....? Well, Mike thanks for your advice. I'll remembe that for my next run through ME 2...as for this one I've already imported it into 3 and I'm past the Cerberus Coup. My next order of business is to get Tali on board. Hopefully she'll come with me, not stand me up like Ashley did. I mean Solus, Mordin. Didn't realize I misspelled his last name until you pointed it out.
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Post by katamuro on May 27, 2020 21:47:07 GMT
Yeah siding with Jack gets you on the bad side of Miranda. Romancing Miranda gets you on the bad side of Jack.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 27, 2020 21:56:00 GMT
Yeah siding with Jack gets you on the bad side of Miranda. Romancing Miranda gets you on the bad side of Jack. Don't you mean siding with Miranda?
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Post by katamuro on May 27, 2020 21:59:28 GMT
Yeah siding with Jack gets you on the bad side of Miranda. Romancing Miranda gets you on the bad side of Jack. Don't you mean siding with Miranda? Both achieve the same result.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 27, 2020 22:01:57 GMT
Don't you mean siding with Miranda? Both achieve the same result. Strange, because out of the 5 Miranda romance playthoughs I've done, that has never happened.
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Post by ahglock on May 29, 2020 15:21:34 GMT
If you want to keep everyone loyal you have to stay fairy focused on either paragon or renegade and in some senses its easier to pull off the earlier you do it. Its not having 400 paragon that lets you win the argument, they look at the total possible paragon at that point in the game and what % you have. If you imported 160 paragon points that gives you quite the edge early on, but the more tiny interactions you have like talking to shop keepers, the bigger the pool of possible is and the less that initial 160 helps. If you are incredibly consistent at being either paragon or renegade, then it doesn't really matter when you do it.
So next time through a easier way to pull it off is to do both loyalty missions as soon as they are available.either that or be pure dick Shep or pure wuss shep until both this and the tali/toaster fights are done. Thought he tali/toaster fight requires a lower % I think.
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Post by themikefest on May 29, 2020 16:55:32 GMT
If you want to keep everyone loyal you have to stay fairy focused on either paragon or renegade and in some senses its easier to pull off the earlier you do it. Its not having 400 paragon that lets you win the argument, they look at the total possible paragon at that point in the game and what % you have. If you imported 160 paragon points that gives you quite the edge early on, but the more tiny interactions you have like talking to shop keepers, the bigger the pool of possible is and the less that initial 160 helps. If you are incredibly consistent at being either paragon or renegade, then it doesn't really matter when you do it. So next time through a easier way to pull it off is to do both loyalty missions as soon as they are available.either that or be pure dick Shep or pure wuss shep until both this and the tali/toaster fights are done. Thought he tali/toaster fight requires a lower % I think. Here's an explanation by cap and gown from the old forum in regards to renegade and paragon points How does the persuade system work? Every time you go on a mission, or go to a new area like the Citadel or Omega, there are a certain number of morality points available that can be earned. Let's say you visit Omega. You can talk with Aria and earn morality points. You can talk with the Batarian bartender and earn morality points. You can talk with Kenn and earn morality points. Etc. Add all of these different opportunities together and you come up with the total number of morality points you could earn in this area you just visited.
For the Omega example, let's say there were 200 paragon points possible to earn and 150 renegade points possible to earn. Omega is your first port of call, you have not visited anywhere else or done any missions. When you visit you talk to some people, but not everyone (maybe you didn't realize they were there). Through your dialogue choices you earn 125 paragon points, 25 renegade points, and you were neutral on some responses and so didn't earn some 25 morality points when you could have. You also forgot to talk to two people (say Captain Gavorn and the Batarian bartender) and so missed out on earning another 25 morality points.
Your paragon percentage in the above example is 62.5% (you earned 125 paragon points out of a possible 200), and your renegade percentage is 16.666% (25 out of 150 possible).
When you get to a persuade check the game makes each persuade check require a certain percent to pass it with a paragon option, and a certain percent with with the renegade option. Let's take the Jack/Miranda dispute and use some make up numbers as an example. It is easier to pass this persuade check with the renegade option than with the paragon option. So let's say the renegade percent needed is 30% and the paragon percent needed is 80%. Since your paragon percent is 62.5% and you renegade percent is 16.666%, you will not be able to pass this persuade check with either option. If, instead you had earned 160 paragon points, you paragon percentage would have been 80% and you could have passed the persuade check.
So, the first thing you need to know is that the game is trying to force you to be all paragon, all the time, or all renegade, all the time.
Second, if you use an import from Mass Effect 1, you can import up to 190 paragon points, and 190 renegade points.
Let's use an example where you imported 190 paragon points, and 100 renegade points and made all the same dialogue choices as above. In that case, you would have 125+190=315 paragon points, and 25+100=125 renegade points. Your paragon percent is 157.5%, and your renegade percent is 83.333%. Since 157.5% is greater than the 80% needed to pass that paragon level needed you will have that option available. And, since 83.333% is greater than 30% needed, you will also have the renegade option available.
Therefore: it is considerably easier to pass persuade checks if 1) you import a lot of morality points from Mass Effect 1, and 2) if you get to the difficult persuade checks early. The second point is because as you open up each new area and run each new mission, the total number of paragon and renegade points available keeps growing, while you may miss some of them, and so your percentage of the possible score keeps decreasing.
So, for the Jack/Miranda dispute, if you wish to pass it with the paragon option, are: 1) import a lot of paragon points from ME1, 2) do both Jack's and Miranda's missions as soon as they are available, 3) make sure you are not skipping out on opportunities to earn morality points (missing people to talk to, including the crew or going neutral), and 4) always pick the paragon option when talking to people.
This advice is overstating things somewhat. I am often able to get both the paragon and renegade options in the Jack/Miranda dispute because most of my Shepard's are about 50/50 paragon/renegade. But I make sure I am importing the maximum number of morality points from ME1 (both paragon and renegade). A few side notes
1) If I want both Lawson and Jack loyal, I complete Lawson's loyalty mission right after Horizon, then complete Jack's loyalty mission right away. When doing that, I get both the red and blue dialogue to choose. 2) If for some reason, you're not able to get both loyal, side with Jack. I say that because if you decide not to recruit Samara, Jack would be the only one to do the barrier without having a squadmate diue, unless of course that is your intention. With Lawson, make sure she is holding the line to survive. In ME3 she will live whereas if her loyalty mission hasn't been completed, she will die. 3) When dealing with Tali and Legion, if you are not able to keep both loyal, but you like to have peace in ME3, side with Legion. Even though Tali isn't loyal, her loyalty mission was still completed and she wasn't exiled. You will still get peace. I know, I've done it with Tali not loyal.
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