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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 23, 2020 18:13:45 GMT
I'd rather Watch Dogs is delay. Bring on Valhalla! God, such a clickbait headline. Anyway, all they gave for a release date is Holiday 2020. So, really anywhere from Thanksgiving/Black Friday till middle December. In theory, it could even be October if you consider Halloween "Holiday 2020". The only way they are going to delay is to 'improve' it or at least that's what they'll say publicly. Big games have released side by side before or within weeks of each other; this is nothing new.
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Post by dazk on Jun 23, 2020 21:52:53 GMT
I'd rather Watch Dogs is delay. Bring on Valhalla! I figure Valhalla will either launch a month earlier in October, or get pushed into the new year... Fingers crossed it is earlier!!!!!
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 24, 2020 17:23:34 GMT
Ashraf Ismail @ashrafaismail I am stepping down from my beloved project to properly deal with the personal issues in my life. The lives of my family and my own are shattered. I am deeply sorry to everyone hurt in this.
There are hundreds of talented, passionate people striving to build an experience for you that do not deserve to be associated with this. I wish them all the best.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 24, 2020 18:14:26 GMT
Ashraf Ismail @ashrafaismailI am stepping down from my beloved project to properly deal with the personal issues in my life. The lives of my family and my own are shattered. I am deeply sorry to everyone hurt in this. There are hundreds of talented, passionate people striving to build an experience for you that do not deserve to be associated with this. I wish them all the best. Whatever this is all about, backing out swiftly from the game has to be the cleanest way to protect a game that many have worked on.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 24, 2020 18:19:18 GMT
Ashraf Ismail @ashrafaismailI am stepping down from my beloved project to properly deal with the personal issues in my life. The lives of my family and my own are shattered. I am deeply sorry to everyone hurt in this. There are hundreds of talented, passionate people striving to build an experience for you that do not deserve to be associated with this. I wish them all the best. Context:
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jun 24, 2020 23:56:34 GMT
Unless I've missed something; the context if fucking absurd.
He's a bad husband. He's not a fucking criminal. This is insane. This is a matter for him, his wife and family and is no good reason for him to be stepping down.
Again - unless I've missed something more than what I found with a quick search.
Edit - weird - Andrew's post didn't show anything when I initially posted this.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 25, 2020 1:00:37 GMT
Wow, that sucks. Reading Ashraf's post, I immediately thought, "It sounds like this dude cheated." That's unfortunate. I hope he's able to eventually repair some of the damage, assuming the wounded parties want as much. Taking time away to focus on his family, assuming that's what is actually happening, can't hurt.
When I came to check on AC updates, I didn't expect something as odd as this.
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Post by dazk on Jun 25, 2020 1:21:05 GMT
OMG, well that was a surprise to wake up to this morning!!!!!!
Wonder how far down the track Valhalla is and if it will influence the release date?????
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 25, 2020 1:31:56 GMT
OMG, well that was a surprise to wake up to this morning!!!!!! Wonder how far down the track Valhalla is and if it will influence the release date????? I doubt it will affect the game. At this point it’s almost if not completely finished, with the rest just being cleaning it up which he wouldn’t be involved with anyway.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jun 25, 2020 1:33:36 GMT
Wow, that sucks. Reading Ashraf's post, I immediately thought, "It sounds like this dude cheated." That's unfortunate. I hope he's able to eventually repair some of the damage, assuming the wounded parties want as much. Taking time away to focus on his family, assuming that's what is actually happening, can't hurt. When I came to check on AC updates, I didn't expect something as odd as this. That's actually a good point; I hadn't considered his stepping down from that angle. Normally when scandal prompts someone to step down, I imagine it is far less than the mutual decision it is portrayed as. However, it is possible - since this is a quite different thing to be accused of to other recent male game developer scandals - that it really is as it has been put forth.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 25, 2020 1:36:22 GMT
OMG, well that was a surprise to wake up to this morning!!!!!! Wonder how far down the track Valhalla is and if it will influence the release date????? I wouldn't expect this to have any impact on the release date. The game's coming out this year (unless pushed back by CP2077), so they must be in the polishing/swatting bugs phase now.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 25, 2020 1:37:35 GMT
He's a bad husband. He's not a fucking criminal. Lying about not being married in order to have sex with someone who wouldn’t have sex with him if they knew he was married is a crime. It’s called rape by deception.
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Post by dazk on Jun 25, 2020 1:39:32 GMT
OMG, well that was a surprise to wake up to this morning!!!!!! Wonder how far down the track Valhalla is and if it will influence the release date????? I wouldn't expect this to have any impact on the release date. The game's coming out this year (unless pushed back by CP2077), so they must be in the polishing/swatting bugs phase now. Just watched a video that said CP2077 has been pushed back again to November and something about Watchdogs is due out so AC Valhalla may now be pushed back to give clean air from WD and CP2077, I hope not.
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Post by dazk on Jun 25, 2020 1:42:06 GMT
He's a bad husband. He's not a fucking criminal. Lying about not being married in order to have sex with someone who wouldn’t have sex with him if they knew he was married is a crime. It’s called rape by deception. I think DragonKingReborn edited his post to say he hadn't seen the context till after he posted his original comment.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 25, 2020 1:46:11 GMT
I wouldn't expect this to have any impact on the release date. The game's coming out this year (unless pushed back by CP2077), so they must be in the polishing/swatting bugs phase now. Just watched a video that said CP2077 has been pushed back again to November and something about Watchdogs is due out so AC Valhalla may now be pushed back to give clean air from WD and CP2077, I hope not. I guess we'll find out in about 3 weeks (the next Ubi stream). Again, I'm guessing if it doesn't come out a month earlier in Oct., they'll push it into the new year.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Jun 25, 2020 1:48:27 GMT
His personal life is where he should see the consequences of his actions in this case, not his fucking career. Spilling this on social media is the sleaziest, most underhanded thing these women could have done. He's likely finished at Ubisoft and possibly blacklisted in the entire industry now. His career might be over. One can only wonder what he was making as lead director on Ubisoft's flagship IP, but I bet it was a lot. This isn't fair retribution or 'protecting other women', it's cold blooded revenge. I'm not defending him being a cheater but that's as far as it went. He's not a criminal. On social media he'll be lumped in with the worst.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jun 25, 2020 1:51:01 GMT
Lying about not being married in order to have sex with someone who wouldn’t have sex with him if they knew he was married is a crime. It’s called rape by deception. I think DragonKingReborn edited his post to say he hadn't seen the context till after he posted his original comment. I googled the basics, so what was in Andrew's post is what found. It doesn't change my opinion, although Element Zero made a good point, which I hadn't considered.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 25, 2020 3:12:07 GMT
His personal life is where he should see the consequences of his actions in this case, not his fucking career. Spilling this on social media is the sleaziest, most underhanded thing these women could have done. He's likely finished at Ubisoft and possibly blacklisted in the entire industry now. His career might be over. One can only wonder what he was making as lead director on Ubisoft's flagship IP, but I bet it was a lot. This isn't fair retribution or 'protecting other women', it's cold blooded revenge. I'm not defending him being a cheater but that's as far as it went. He's not a criminal. On social media he'll be lumped in with the worst. I do wonder if some of these accusations are women trying to speak up or are just having an Ax to grind.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 25, 2020 3:25:46 GMT
His personal life is where he should see the consequences of his actions in this case, not his fucking career. Spilling this on social media is the sleaziest, most underhanded thing these women could have done. He's likely finished at Ubisoft and possibly blacklisted in the entire industry now. His career might be over. One can only wonder what he was making as lead director on Ubisoft's flagship IP, but I bet it was a lot. This isn't fair retribution or 'protecting other women', it's cold blooded revenge. I'm not defending him being a cheater but that's as far as it went. He's not a criminal. On social media he'll be lumped in with the worst. I agree. Cheating on your wife is shitty, plain and simple; but it shouldn't undermine his professional accomplishments and well earned responsibilities. I've had plenty of coworkers with whom I got along well and with whom I worked well who also did things I'd say were shitty. That was their business, though, not mine. Other than some water cooler chatter and some lost personal respect, I don't think this would affect his work relationships at all. The wife doesn't work in the office, right? That would be different. I hope he really is taking time to see to his family and do what needs done. I hope this isn't Ubi sidelining their best lead over personal screw-ups. We can safely bet that some of the ones sidelining him have done the same damn thing or worse. I get that the "other woman" felt dirty, used or whatever. I get that she wanted to out a "dirty cheater". That said, why do it this way? Why make the humiliation and pain for his family worse? That was foolish, selfish, short-sided... take your pick. I've been sort of expecting Valhalla to see early access release on Lief Ericsson Day, and I don't see any reason that can't still be true. It's a shame Ashraf impacted so many, his teams and his family, with this thing. I hope the Ubi teams can see it through optimally under other leadership.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 25, 2020 3:48:11 GMT
Yeah, I can see this is going to be a polarizing topic. While don't want to get into a long-winded argument over this, I will say that if you cheat on your spouse, you accept that you could be publicly outed by a grieving party and all the fallout that comes with it. This could just as easily been by his wife.
I've been on Reddit and can see he has a history of bad behaviour stretching back years. Someone coming forward to warn other women of him? Maybe make a few more people think twice about cheating? I've no problem with that.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 25, 2020 4:09:35 GMT
Cheating on your wife to me is a demonstration of a person's character, but I don't think this is going to impact him at Ubisoft too much unless they somehow connect this scandal to losing a lot of money versus how much they might lose if he isn't working on the franchise. For what I have seen he is just stepping away from this project to me that is taking a leave of absence away from Assassin's Creed: Valhalla, but probably will return for it didn't sound like he was quitting his job. Now there might be more articles after what I have read, but I stopped reading about the situation for I think I know all I want to.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 25, 2020 4:12:03 GMT
Yeah, I can see this is going to be a polarizing topic. While don't want to get into a long-winded argument over this, I will say that if you cheat on your spouse, you accept that you could be publicly outed by a grieving party and all the fallout that comes with it. This could just as easily been by his wife. I've been on Reddit and can see he has a history of bad behaviour stretching back years. Someone coming forward to warn other women of him? Maybe make a few more people think twice about cheating? I've no problem with that. I've always told myself never to engage in anything that would "ruin me" if it became public. I can't say I've ever been even close to such a thing, but it's a healthy policy all the same. Knowing where boundaries lie can keep you far away from those edges. I don't know Ashraf or the woman involved. I feel badly for her, though I wish she'd have outed him in another way. Perhaps she saw no other viable means? I feel badly for his many peers who might have a tougher time in the months ahead because of his selfish behavior. Mostly, I feel badly for his family. I guess there's not much more for me to say. I did want to acknowledge that the woman who outed him might've thought there was no other way to really do so. I may not like it for his family, but even his wife might prefer this way to ignorance of his behavior.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 25, 2020 7:57:40 GMT
Considering Ubisoft hasn't made a public statement, I don't think they had any influence on him stepping down. I'm not a law expert, and I don't know what he did was criminal, but they're could be legal/divorce battles (he also has kids) considering how serious it sounds.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 25, 2020 9:54:01 GMT
I doubt it will affect the game. At this point it’s almost if not completely finished, with the rest just being cleaning it up which he wouldn’t be involved with anyway. Very much this. Either way, we should have a launch date at the July 12th digital event.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 25, 2020 13:11:40 GMT
I doubt it will affect the game. At this point it’s almost if not completely finished, with the rest just being cleaning it up which he wouldn’t be involved with anyway. Very much this. Either way, we should have a launch date at the July 12th digital event. Yeah. This story isn't going to get traction from outside the fanbase or hell, even within the fanbase. I would say most Assassin's Creed fans don't know who these people are, we're the minority.
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