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Post by colfoley on Oct 30, 2020 9:04:57 GMT
People who are going to play after seeing all that has been revealed have you decided on whether you will play Female or Male Eivor? At this stage I am not really sold on either of their VA's and male Eivor to me just looks a bit strange like his neck is missing and his face (maybe its the face paint) just looks a bit weird. So I think I will play female Eivor first. Female is next up in the rotation so female Eivor.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Oct 30, 2020 11:23:23 GMT
It's going to kill me on having to wait to play the game 😁
I'm gonna have to wait on my Xbox series X to come in before I can play Valhalla. I've been trying to pre order a series X but no luck and we're nearly 10 days away from launch
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 30, 2020 15:38:13 GMT
Awful trailer. Also either they are acknowledging we are the bad guys, or they are messed up.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Oct 30, 2020 16:51:40 GMT
Awful trailer. Also either they are acknowledging we are the bad guys, or they are messed up. They were the bad guys no matter how you look at it, but during a very unethical time. Besides, Ubi didn't honestly represent Greek culture so they sure as hell aren't going to fully explore Viking culture - slave trading, pillaging, conquest etc. Don't get me wrong, I actually think there's space to create a somewhat ethical and uniquely motivated Eivor if you frame it as immigration and him fleeing war-torn Scandinavia. I just don't think Ubisoft has the writing chops to do it.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 30, 2020 19:19:50 GMT
That really is the worst trailer I have ever seen I think. I am really looking forward to this game but this actively makes me less enthusiatic to play it. WTF?
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Post by Tittus on Oct 30, 2020 19:38:46 GMT
I'm at the opposite end. If I can play vikings as villains, as the monsters they were, I'll be more happy.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 30, 2020 19:48:33 GMT
I'm at the opposite end. If I can play vikings as villains, as the monsters they were, I'll be more happy. That's not really the problem I have with the trailer. I don't expect to play a knight in shining armor either.
But that trailer is just obnoxious in how cool it wants to come across. Ugh!
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Post by colfoley on Oct 31, 2020 1:29:06 GMT
That trailer was descent. I mean for whatever reason this just seems to be Ubisoft's marketing schtick right now. *gives a side eye to them including that one rapper whose name escapes me in the marketing for Breakpoint*. So yeah, despite the cringe it certainly wasn't a bad trailer.
As far as the ongoing conversation on 'Vikings are horrible'... I think there are two relevent points to consider:
1. I don't know the reason for it but at least in the US we have the tendency to romanticize some pretty bad historical figures, organizations, or...life styles? Pirates, Vikings, Western Outlaws. People who pretty much actually did horrible, immoral, things but yet we tend to view them as brave freedom fighters sticking it to society. (And admittedly there is good reason that such stories would be popular from a literature perspective).
Assassin's Creed itself pretty much has followed this cultural norm since the beginning. I mean the series is called 'Assassin's' Creed for pete sake. And while Assassination is more of a value neutral general occuption, when you get down to it, on the one hand killing evil generals or corrupt politicians as well as killing anyone they can get their hands on...it seems their stuff has been built into the core of the Franchise. After all in addition to being Assassins we have been Pirates, mercenaries, and now Vikings.
2. History tends to be a little broad in the brush when dealing with things. This is perfectly understandable, not a justification of the more grim aspects of Viking life, and since I am not neccessarily an expert on Viking history I am talking in only the vaguest possible senses...but its true. My read of pretty much any historical context or organization is such situations are...complicated. People aren't all bad and people aren't all good and any group of people, especially the larger it gets, tends to run the entire spectrum from monster to saint. So, from a story standpoint having a story about a 'good' Viking (especially as the Vikings count such things) could be compelling. Especially if there is any historical basis for such things.
Either way I just hope they avoid the moral constricting hoops Odyssey went through: Give us clear cut oppoenents and allies, rather then going around being a Spartan Mistios with a lot of Athenian friends and yet can positively slaughter anyone they can get their hands on both sides. I mean on one level this makes sense but on another it was always...skeevy, and why I've tried avoiding casualities as much as possible.
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Post by dazk on Oct 31, 2020 2:05:10 GMT
Re the trailer I am pretty indifferent to it, I think they went for the Edward Kenway swagger and didn't nail it at all.
It was also just pretty boring.
Eh it's a trailer and it's not going to influence whether I play it or not because I have already pre-ordered it. Plus I'd play it regardless of the trailer simply because I am a fan of the series and trust they will deliver a game I will enjoy. Unity disappointed me because of story and protagonist but I still enjoyed playing the game once they sorted out the bugs. Syndicate was my least liked AC game and again still enjoyed elements of it.
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Post by dragontartare on Oct 31, 2020 4:38:03 GMT
People who are going to play after seeing all that has been revealed have you decided on whether you will play Female or Male Eivor? At this stage I am not really sold on either of their VA's and male Eivor to me just looks a bit strange like his neck is missing and his face (maybe its the face paint) just looks a bit weird. So I think I will play female Eivor first. I'll either go female first, or let the Animus choose. It would be nice to know more about how the Animus chooses. As in, how different will memories be with female vs. male Eivor? I watched a video on YouTube yesterday explaining a theory that male Eivor is really a representation of Odin, so if the player lets the Animus decide, female Eivor would get all the historical memories, while male Eivor/Odin would get the Isu memories. Here is the vid:
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Post by Cyberstrike on Oct 31, 2020 21:55:59 GMT
People who are going to play after seeing all that has been revealed have you decided on whether you will play Female or Male Eivor?
Female.
If given a choice I would rather play as female than as a male. That is just my personal preference.
The only 3 "recent" games that I've played and finished as a male character were: The Last of Us: Remastered, Final Fantasy VII: Remake, and the Resident Evil 2 remake since I played Dragon Age: Origins on the PS3.
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Post by dazk on Oct 31, 2020 23:08:14 GMT
People who are going to play after seeing all that has been revealed have you decided on whether you will play Female or Male Eivor? At this stage I am not really sold on either of their VA's and male Eivor to me just looks a bit strange like his neck is missing and his face (maybe its the face paint) just looks a bit weird. So I think I will play female Eivor first. I'll either go female first, or let the Animus choose. It would be nice to know more about how the Animus chooses. As in, how different will memories be with female vs. male Eivor? I watched a video on YouTube yesterday explaining a theory that male Eivor is really a representation of Odin, so if the player lets the Animus decide, female Eivor would get all the historical memories, while male Eivor/Odin would get the Isu memories. Here is the vid: Wait I never knew that, is that a recent announcement re the Animus choosing? I have stopped watching anything as I feel I have seen too much already but maybe I just missed it. So is it fixed if you don't let the Animus choose that female Eivor gets the historical memories and male Eivor gets the Isu memories? The next question of course is what does that mean, is it in terms of things they find in game? Assuming this video answers that, don't have time to watch ATM. I nearly always play the female character first, not sure why TBH. Only male Shepard I played first and the majority of times.
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Post by dazk on Oct 31, 2020 23:10:45 GMT
People who are going to play after seeing all that has been revealed have you decided on whether you will play Female or Male Eivor?
Female.
If given a choice I would rather play as female than as a male. That is just my personal preference.
The only 3 "recent" games that I've played and finished as a male character were: The Last of Us: Remastered, Final Fantasy VII: Remake, and the Resident Evil 2 remake since I played Dragon Age: Origins on the PS3.
Same for me female is nearly always my first choice and in multiple PT's of games they are generally female. Only male shepard was my first choice and the character I played most in MET. I am going to have a think about why now that you mention it!!!!
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Post by colfoley on Nov 1, 2020 0:00:11 GMT
With games I like I tend to do one PT as each and the one who I like the most, in terms of story, character, romance, and voice acting gets a third. Mind you might have to update that as my library expands and games get more live servicey.
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I was watching a video on YT and I have to wonder how active the Jomsvikings can be in combat. Just looked at it and it seemed like one was ganging up on a zealot and I mean you could theoretically do that for Odyssey but seems it sucked since I've seen no one do it and it seemed to specific even for my uses.
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 1, 2020 1:07:22 GMT
I'll either go female first, or let the Animus choose. It would be nice to know more about how the Animus chooses. As in, how different will memories be with female vs. male Eivor? I watched a video on YouTube yesterday explaining a theory that male Eivor is really a representation of Odin, so if the player lets the Animus decide, female Eivor would get all the historical memories, while male Eivor/Odin would get the Isu memories. Here is the vid: Wait I never knew that, is that a recent announcement re the Animus choosing? I have stopped watching anything as I feel I have seen too much already but maybe I just missed it. So is it fixed if you don't let the Animus choose that female Eivor gets the historical memories and male Eivor gets the Isu memories? The next question of course is what does that mean, is it in terms of things they find in game? Assuming this video answers that, don't have time to watch ATM. I nearly always play the female character first, not sure why TBH. Only male Shepard I played first and the majority of times. "Animus chooses" is the middle option, but this vid is just this guy's theory on what that could mean, and how both male and female could both be canon when "Eivor" is actually a woman's name. I'm starting to think I'm going to play as female until I see some official explanation as to how the Animus is choosing. If the differences are cosmetic only, I see no reason to switch around. I kinda like this guy's theory, though.
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Post by dazk on Nov 1, 2020 1:09:09 GMT
With games I like I tend to do one PT as each and the one who I like the most, in terms of story, character, romance, and voice acting gets a third. Mind you might have to update that as my library expands and games get more live servicey. *** I was watching a video on YT and I have to wonder how active the Jomsvikings can be in combat. Just looked at it and it seemed like one was ganging up on a zealot and I mean you could theoretically do that for Odyssey but seems it sucked since I've seen no one do it and it seemed to specific even for my uses. Yeah same one with either sex but in ACOD I really couldn't handle Alexios's VA and dropped that PT halfway through and did another Kassandra PT. I did eventually do an Alexios PT but as a warrior and that seemed to make a difference. "Jomsvikings" are they the NPC's you use on Raids? I generally feel whenever NPC's are used in those roles or like when they assist like in ACOD they tend to be more of a damn hindrance than any help.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Nov 1, 2020 1:14:14 GMT
Jomsvikings sound just like the pawns in Dragon's Dogma. It's pretty cool idea.
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Post by dazk on Nov 1, 2020 1:35:50 GMT
Wait I never knew that, is that a recent announcement re the Animus choosing? I have stopped watching anything as I feel I have seen too much already but maybe I just missed it. So is it fixed if you don't let the Animus choose that female Eivor gets the historical memories and male Eivor gets the Isu memories? The next question of course is what does that mean, is it in terms of things they find in game? Assuming this video answers that, don't have time to watch ATM. I nearly always play the female character first, not sure why TBH. Only male Shepard I played first and the majority of times. "Animus chooses" is the middle option, but this vid is just this guy's theory on what that could mean, and how both male and female could both be canon when "Eivor" is actually a woman's name. I'm starting to think I'm going to play as female until I see some official explanation as to how the Animus is choosing. If the differences are cosmetic only, I see no reason to switch around. I kinda like this guy's theory, though. OK so watched the video and that is a neat theory and makes me want to choose let the animus decide first PT but in I am having a little bit of a problem simplifying it in my brain. Are they saying female Eivor was a legend and a real person but because of her genetic make-up (Odin's genes being very strong in her) the animus sees her as both male and female?
So am I getting it right that he is saying Eivor is a descendant of Odin and that Eivor carries a such a strong genetic component that the Animus sees female Eivor if you play as her as a male as well and hence you can play as either? So if you let the Animus choose you get certain quests/scenes where it makes more sense to play as male Eivor or female Eivor?
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 1, 2020 2:07:11 GMT
"Animus chooses" is the middle option, but this vid is just this guy's theory on what that could mean, and how both male and female could both be canon when "Eivor" is actually a woman's name. I'm starting to think I'm going to play as female until I see some official explanation as to how the Animus is choosing. If the differences are cosmetic only, I see no reason to switch around. I kinda like this guy's theory, though. OK so watched the video and that is a neat theory and makes me want to choose let the animus decide first PT but in I am having a little bit of a problem simplifying it in my brain. Are they saying female Eivor was a legend and a real person but because of her genetic make-up (Odin's genes being very strong in her) the animus sees her as both male and female?
So am I getting it right that he is saying Eivor is a descendant of Odin and that Eivor carries a such a strong genetic component that the Animus sees female Eivor if you play as her as a male as well and hence you can play as either? So if you let the Animus choose you get certain quests/scenes where it makes more sense to play as male Eivor or female Eivor? Yes, that's what I got from it. In this theory, since the male protag is just an avatar of Odin, any of the Isu memories (while Eivor is under the influence of drugs, presumably) would be played with the male protagonist since they are really Odin's memories. Other memories -- the historical ones grounded in reality -- would be played with the female protagonist since she is the historical figure/"real" Eivor.
But since the Animus sees both historical Eivor and Odin, Layla could still choose to use a different gender representation than what the Animus says would create the stronger memory.
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Post by dazk on Nov 1, 2020 2:10:50 GMT
OK so watched the video and that is a neat theory and makes me want to choose let the animus decide first PT but in I am having a little bit of a problem simplifying it in my brain. Are they saying female Eivor was a legend and a real person but because of her genetic make-up (Odin's genes being very strong in her) the animus sees her as both male and female?
So am I getting it right that he is saying Eivor is a descendant of Odin and that Eivor carries a such a strong genetic component that the Animus sees female Eivor if you play as her as a male as well and hence you can play as either? So if you let the Animus choose you get certain quests/scenes where it makes more sense to play as male Eivor or female Eivor? Yes, that's what I got from it. In this theory, since the male protag is just an avatar of Odin, any of the Isu memories (while Eivor is under the influence of drugs, presumably) would be played with the male protagonist since they are really Odin's memories. Other memories -- the historical ones grounded in reality -- would be played with the female protagonist since she is the historical figure/"real" Eivor.
But since the Animus sees both historical Eivor and Odin, Layla could still choose to use a different gender representation than what the Animus says would create the stronger memory. Thanks that was way more well put than mine explanation.
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Now would be a good time to go dark if you want to experience this saga with fresh eyes!
See you in the Hall of the Slain!
- I'm trying to avoid any more info myself, but I've heard the Art Book has leaked which is where I think a lot of this is coming from.
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I'm wondering if this game would go live for me on the actual day since it's not on Steam. It's always a day later for me if it's Steam.
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Post by saandrig on Nov 2, 2020 6:24:37 GMT
I'm wondering if this game would go live for me on the actual day since it's not on Steam. It's always a day later for me if it's Steam. We from, cough, New Zealand don't have such issues.
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